There are some very sick people on this planet - 15 year old lured to his death

[malaise]

Look at this lovely child and imagine the pain in his family

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-florida-slaying-20110422,0,4629043.story
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Seath Jackson, 15, was brutally beaten, shot several times and burned to ashes in a backyard fire pit. Detectives say he was lured by his ex-girlfriend to a house where she, her brother and friends were waiting.

He posted on Facebook that he loved Wright, also 15, and noted on one peaceful afternoon that he was spending time with her and her brother, 16-year-old Kyle Hooper. Weeks later, the young couple had broken up.

As soon as Jackson walked in, Bargo, Hooper and Soto began to hit him in the head with wooden objects, the documents said. Ely told detectives that she ran into her bedroom after she saw Hooper hit Jackson.

Bargo shot him several times with a .22-caliber revolver, according to the arrest documents. When Jackson tried to flee, Soto tackled him, and Bargo shot him again, detectives said.
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Read the rest - there are no words

[hlthe2b]

1. OMG...

What is our society becoming that we create such monsters?

What a beautiful child. What horror.

[malaise]

10. Hard to believe teenagers could contemplate such acts

These are monsters

[get the red out]

23. They turned evil very quickly

I have a sweater older than any of them. I ask "how does this happen?" way too much these days.

[haele]

43. Lord of the Flies.

More and more, teenagers are isolating themselves into their own personal little kingdoms because their parents and community have ensured that there's nothing for average kids to do other than "hang out" all the time with like-minded friends - unless, of course, they're "jocks, geeks or brown-nosers" - the kids who's parents make sure they participate in real activities outside of home and school.

They start becoming little sociopaths that, while they understand "right" and "wrong", they don't understand diplomacy, working through issues, and how not to treat other people and things as disposable. It usually takes getting kicked out of the nest and living for a time in the real world to start growing out of their personal reality and becoming human again.

For bored kids like this, anyone outside their group is a fair target for casual cruelty to entertain them. Even if it's parents or adult strangers.

Haele

[snagglepuss]

51. Well said. nt

[sasha031]

2. my god how horrible

such a beautiful child
agreed with the sickness ...

[arcane1]

3. Some truly fine specimens of humanity there:

[malaise]

7. Don't you love that great stepfather

I hope they throw away the keys for all of these nasty scumbags

[hifiguy]

17. Just take in the fine glow of intelligence on those faces

:sarcasm:

[reggie the dog]

33. at least somebody beat the shit out of old mike

perhaps he got too lippy with the cops?

fuckup the lot of them

life with no possibility of parole

they lost the right to circulate freely for good, they are not human if they are guilty of this and if found guilty i hope they never see the outside of a jail until they die of natural causes

[Laf.La.Dem.]

4. Just read this a few minutes ago

Gets a person sad to see this kind of sickness

[Rex]

5. Another example of our future.

Take notes.

[onehandle]

6. What's important is that the gun should not take any blame and that it should not be destroyed...

...but returned back into the market to fulfill the second amendment rights of another citizen.

Or killer, whatever.

If the police don't have it, it's likely at a gun show, ready to be straw purchased.

A 'happy ending.'

[malaise]

26. Guns are never the problem

Don't you dare :sarcasm:

[reggie the dog]

34. i think they would have been happy to have beaten him to death

with chairs and other wooden objects.

this story is so much worse than a simple "guns are bad" idea, these people plotted a horrible murder for what? this is not even over drug business or debts just kill him after a breakup? what the fuck???

that these people had such a low value of human life is what is troubling not their weapons of choice.

[damntexdem]

8. "I'm looking at a lot of years [in prison] right now,"

But Sneath Jackson isn't looking at anything, ever again.

[malaise]

13. I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that way too many young people

believe they are living video game lives and there are no consequences for their actions.

What the fuck were they thinking here?

[MedleyMisty]

21. Well, there aren't any consequences for people with money

CEOs and politicians and bankers kill with impunity, so why shouldn't people who have grown up in a society controlled by them act like this?

I mean, personally, I think empathy and basic morality should be an instinctual thing, but apparently it's not for a lot of people. Apparently a lot of humans do need deterrents and examples and to be taught and socialized into a basic sort of morality. The examples that our society sets? Commit war crimes, torture people, lie and steal your way to anything you want, and if you have enough money, nothing will happen to you and you will actually be a hero and considered the top of your society.

Well - these people aren't the brightest bulbs in the bunch, and so they didn't get the "if you have enough money" part and didn't realize they weren't part of that club.

[malaise]

27. True - banks and corporations

cause an awful lot of deaths

[closeupready]

9. Since I oppose capital punishment, I'd better not say anything, because I feel like it.

:nuke:

[RebelOne]

35. I am not opposed to capital punishment, mainly

because of creeps like this who deserve it.

[closeupready]

39. Well, like I say,

I don't want to say anything, because I feel I need to oppose capital punishment, and if I say anything about these scumbags, I'll look like a hypocrite here.

[RebelOne]

36. I am not opposed to capital punishment, mainly

because of creeps like this who deserve it.

[Odin2005]

11. That is fucked up beyond belief!

WTF was the motive for this sick thing?

[JackintheGreen]

12. This isn't directly apropos, but does anybody remember

the red-headed(?), glasses wearing sociopath (medically demonstrable) from the early 80s who murdered a younger neighbor - bludgeoned him with a stone, I think - that really began the try kids as adults movement in modern American jurisprudence? I've been trying to recall this case for ages and just don't remember details to do a google search (note the description I give above).

[JustAnotherGen]

15. Derek Robie

Was the little boy that was killed . . .he would be in his early 20's today. . . poor little kid. This happened in the area I lived in back then. :-(

[JackintheGreen]

20. That's the case

I remember it so clearly because Eric Smith was just a little older than me at the time and the whole case was just so horrifying. Thanks for the name. Sorry for the memories.

[JustAnotherGen]

37. No problem

I know maybe - 7 years ago - a few news sources 'updated with interviews' with Eric Smith on the 10th anniversary. They are chilling to watch if you have access to video online.

[lapislzi]

14. What.

Words fail me. I literally cannot wrap my head around such unimaginable brutality and inhumanity.

I have to go do something nice for someone before I lose my mind altogether.

[malaise]

16. This was beyond mere violence

This was obscene cruelty

[lapislzi]

29. I know. That's why I have to go pet a kitten or something.

Just to remind myself that there are good things in the world.

[a la izquierda]

18. What the hell is wrong with people.

A nation of sociopaths...

[malaise]

19. No true

Sociopaths are spread across the planet

[MedleyMisty]

22. But it's only our culture that rewards them and encourages them so well

Yes, they are in every culture. But ours is built for them and brings them to the top and is made in their image. So people who might not be sociopaths genetically adopt sociopathic traits, because that is the way to succeed in our culture.

[a la izquierda]

28. Well, that much is true...

but teenagers doing this shit? Good grief. I don't know when a switch got flipped, but 11 year olds having sex, and teenage kids planning grisly homicides was not something common when I was a teen (which wasn't long ago-I'm only 33).

[malaise]

30. I know what you mean

I feel really old these days

[a la izquierda]

31. Gah, me too...

Makes me not want to have kids ever.

[The Backlash Cometh]

24. I posted this a couple days ago.

These stories are really picking up traction. I like the LA article better.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x934053

[malaise]

25. Thanks for your link

This is too sad

[reggie the dog]

32. pure and simple moral degradation

killed a boy for what? for leaving his girlfriend because she had an affair with some older dude named mike?

[roamer65]

38. Here is where I do not oppose the death penalty.

Their killing him is an undeniable fact. Therefore each one of these people should fry for it and in Florida...they will.

They should want the death penalty because their lives will be HELL in prison for killing a 15 yr old.

[The Doctor.]

40. If this were my kid, and I could get ahold of these monsters...

I promise they would live. And they'd all watch.

[kitkat65]

41. Have you seen this "lovely child"'s Facebook page?

Please don't think I'm putting the blame on the victim. I'm not. I won't ever believe that anyone deserves what this kid had happen to him. But a little angel, he was not.

And I quote:
"Hell naw it ant fuck him nigger we going tp shot thim all one dY or we just going to hang thim like the good old dYs yeah i sed it on favebook fuck niggers go back to whT you wher doing picin cottin"

Most of the rest of it comes off as buying into some kind of gansta culture thing — bragging about getting high, the next tattoo, etc. — and obviously the problems with Amber.

Again, it's absolutely disgusting what happened to this kid and the perps totally deserve what's coming to them, but I think it's just really a disservice to the complete truth of a story when there's this angel vs. demon dichotomy placed on a victim/perp situation.

Because seeing the whole story really does change the dynamic of the conversation. After reading his Facebook page, I initially found him just as repugnant as the criminals but that quickly changed to asking where the fuck were the parents? All of them. What happened to these kids to even remotely think this was okay? Am I being too harsh judging this boy based on his Facebook page? How does that kind of pack mentality take over a person's own sense of right/wrong?

This just horrifies me on so many levels, mostly because I can't make sense of it and the good child/bad children narrative being given by the news outlets just pisses me off because it does a disservice to the what is really going on as to how these kids could have possibly gotten to this point.

[malaise]

44. Thanks for your excellent post

I don't do FB.

[closeupready]

45. If that comes from the child's Facebook page, it's alarming, but

a 15-year-old can learn and change. That's one reason juveniles are punished more moderately than older people. Look, for example, at Robert Byrd.

[lapislzi]

46. This is why I joined FB

And friended all my daughter's friends. That way I get the news. If they're talking trash, I want to know about it. I've headed off a couple of situations that way--nothing as horrific as this, but when the kid says, "Imma get crunk drunk" (or whatever), I pick up the phone and call the kid's mother.

This saddens and horrifies me deeply.

[blueamy66]

48. The FB pic sure looks ALOT different than

the one in the article above, doesn't it?

[LisaL]

50. ????????????????

This child was brutally murdered. WTF does it have to do with him being an angel or not?

[yawnmaster]

54. Because what is often frightening to parents when they see something like this is...

this could happen to my child.
But when you read deeper one sees that the parents were possibly not very involved in the kid's life or at least had not much of a clue, or at worst accepted his type of behavior and the circle of friends he made.
It is also clear that there is the possibility that he was running in group of friend in which this type of thing has a higher probability.
Is the murder still brutal?...yes.
Does it matter whether he was an "angel"?... no

Should parents who are involved in their children's lives, who know or are aware of their child's friends, and whose children are in a "safer" environment than this child...should those parents use this as an example of what might happen to their kid? No they should not, but use it as an example of the dangers to avoid.

[AngryOldDem]

53. Nobody's claiming he was a little saint.

But DAMN, nobody deserves what happened to him.

[Terra Alta]

42. there are just no words

to describe the horror I feel about this.. I can only imagine what was going through this poor kid's mind in his final moments, and I hope he rests in peace. As for his killers, I hope they never see the outside of a jail cell ever again. :grr:

[JI7]

47. reading the details shows it was even worse, he tried to get away even after they shot him

so he was shot again. then when they were going to try to get rid of his body they saw he was still alive so they shot him again.

just thinking of how much he was suffering .

[blondeatlast]

49. Good lord--he bears a striking resemblance to my only child (14 yo boy).

I simply can't bear to click the link, but I am going to take him to dinner tonight and just thank him for making sure I know all of his associates and being just a generally good kid.

:cry:

[malaise]

55. Great idea

:hi:

[AngryOldDem]

52. I can't read the rest.

I had to leave the room this morning when the story was on the TV.

I cannot fathom such pathological cruelty.