Trig Trutherism: The Definitive Debunker

[Shrek]

From Salon:

In light of the recent attention this subject has received and the considerable passion it has stirred, Salon embarked last week on an investigation of the circumstances surrounding Trig's birth. The exhaustive review of available evidence that we conducted, along with new interviews with multiple eyewitnesses who interacted with a pregnant Sarah Palin up-close in early 2008 -- most of whom had never spoken publicly about the matter before -- has produced one clear conclusion: Sarah Palin is, indeed, Trig's mother and there is no reason to suspect any kind of a coverup.

We've learned, for instance, that an Associated Press reporter in Alaska who was covering Palin during her pregnancy in early 2008 (before she became a national figure) thoroughly investigated rumors that the pregnancy was a hoax. The reporter directly questioned Palin about the matter in a private meeting in her Juneau office before she gave birth. Gov. Palin responded by voluntarily lifting her outer layer of clothing, offering a clear look at her round belly. The reporter quickly concluded that there was no truth to the rumors and never wrote about them.

Read the whole thing; I found it convicing.

[Buzz Clik]

1. Ah, shoot.

The true conspiracy theorists, however, will not be convinced. They are busy constructing plaster of paris and chicken wire replicas of Sarah Palin and Trig as we speak.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

21. Makes them look as nuttier than Teabaggers! It should stop!

[pnwmom]

2. It's a win-win for us then.

Since she WAS pregnant, then this proves she had absolutely ZERO good judgment when she took that 10 hour plane flight, with connections, after her water had already broken; and when she gave birth prematurely at a hospital that didn't even have a neonatal unit.

[virgogal]

5. How on earth can her behaviour while pregnant have

anything at all to do with us?

It's irrelevant.

[pnwmom]

8. If she'd put her own baby at such great risk, she's either an idiot

or heartless or she was hoping to lose the baby. (Despite all her pro-life talk.)

It points to character, which is one of the qualities looked for in a President.

[Demit]

17. That's what I think. She was hoping to lose it.

I don't think she's an idiot. I think she's very cunning. And even the most disinterested observer can see she's a total narcissist.

[virgogal]

32. But I would hardly call putting a baby at risk a win-win for us.

That type of behavior is a win-win for no one.

[tanyev]

3. Great! Then she should have no problem with releasing the official birth certificate.

[Zywiec]

4. For what purpose?

In what way does it legally matter anywhere?

:shrug:

[tanyev]

6. Then she should STFU about Obama's birth certificate which has, in fact, been released and

is also a non-issue. People who live in glass houses shouldn't catapult gigantic boulders.

[Buzz Clik]

9. ..

[Old and In the Way]

12. I'd settle for her medical history.

Like every other candidate releases. Not sure if it's the law, but it should be. The physical/mental/legal health of the candidate is surely an important component in selecting the person who's vying for the most powerful elected job on Earth.

[Obamanaut]

18. Why? Is Trig running for president? What does he need to prove? nt

[tanyev]

20. I personally don't give a rat's ass whose womb Trig popped out of,

but as long as Sarah rides Obama Birther Gravy Train, I will merrily ride the Trig Truth Trolley.

[Raschel]

27. Me 2.

[KittyWampus]

7. So, it's hers. That means she tried to kill the baby by getting on that plane.

Consciously or unconsciously, she tried to kill that baby.

[robcon]

15. That's a scummy lie, Kitty.

Beneath contempt.

[Missy Vixen]

31. Palin's lying at the least

Let's see here. Over 40. High-risk pregnancy. Leaking amniotic fluid. Bypasses multiple medical facilities equipped with NICU on the way to the airport. Gets on a jet, fully knowing that her water has broken, she will be in labor at any minute, and she has a ten-hour trip ahead of her.

There isn't a woman on the planet who wanted her baby born safely that would indulge in the above behaviors. We won't even discuss the fact that if Palin's claims are true, she had no regard for Alaska Airlines' rules for flying while pregnant. In both directions.

It's been awhile, but I worked for a company that had many, MANY high-risk pregnant women as clients. There were four perinatal nurses in the office Monday-Friday as well. One of them was pro-life. One of our co-workers had a baby with Down's. I asked the nurse what she would do in the same situation. She said she would have the baby at the "lowest-intervention" hospital she could find, and "let Nature take its course".

I don't endorse the above solution, but those who continue to insist there's nothing here voters and taxpayers should be concerned with are kidding themselves. This woman wanted to be Vice President of the United States, and she can't be truthful about actions that endangered two planeloads of people, not to mention her own unborn fetus?

:eyes:

[katanalori]

22. Here is what is so shocking:

What pro-life person takes a reckless wild-ride and bypasses hospitals with NICU units for a clinic?
What pro-life person goes into labor in Texas and does NOT get herself to the nearest hospital? (Dallas has an excellent hospital.

How can a pro-life mama grizzly jeopardize her precious baby in this manner? I am horrified by her story. I was actually hoping that sarah WAS covering (helping out) an unwed mother who could not take care of Trig. This is SO MUCH WORSE.


:cry:

[pipi_k]

35. Just wondering if that means

that women who smoke or drink during their pregnancies are trying to kill their babies.

Or maybe women who put their babies to sleep on their stomachs. Maybe they're trying to kill their babies too.


The circumstances before she gave birth are pretty well known by now, I would think. Why hasn't she been charged with child endangerment or attempted murder?

[chrisa]

41. WTF? No...

:wtf:

[cali]

10. prepare yourself for scores of outraged DUers

who are into this flavor of birtherism- fucking idiotic as it is.

[elocs]

11. This is the birtherism of the left. Small minds on both side latch onto such things. n/t

[cali]

14. yep. it's what happens when you let your hate/dislike

of someone/something completely fog over your critical thinking skills.

[readmoreoften]

39. You say the "left" would be responsible for a President Palin. Then you won't investigate

a possible coverup of Palin--and you also blame that on "the left"

Interesting. Very interesting.

[katanalori]

13. OKAY ....

fine. She,IN HER OWN WORDS (in her book and on audio tape with reporter) admits to being in labor (leaking amniotic fluid and having contractions) in Texas. THEN she boards two planes and then goes to MatSu hospital (not equipped with ICU) to deliver what she knows to be a special needs baby.
This is NUTS! Who would do such a thing? Putting her baby and passengers on the planes at this risk?
The "wild ride" is a RECKLESS RIDE and her decision-making process was insane.

[pipi_k]

26. Didn't read it in the article...

and haven't seen it anyplace else so I have a question...

Did she know prior to Trig's birth that he was "special needs"?

and even if she did, why would a hospital have to have an ICU in order to be suitable?

Is there any evidence that says her last pregnancy was high risk for either her or her baby?

[blondeatlast]

28. That;'s what I find disturbing, but I'm willing to let the past be the past.

But yeah, as one who was blessed with a beautiful healthy boy after a risky pregnancy (top-notch perinatalogists and all), I can't understand the behavior, but it is what it is.

[inna]

16. this has got to be one of the most absurd, ignorant and distasteful rumors of all time

hopefully, we're done with this crap now, and can focus on something more worthy of attention (action?).

[cali]

24. +1000

[chrisa]

43. This crap is so dumb.

And people were actually defending it here. :eyes:

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

19. I still don't understand why this story resurfaced in the first place.

[trumad]

23. Because she jumped in Trump's bandwagon on the birther shit

what's good for the Goose kind of thing. :-)

[cherokeeprogressive]

25. Bullshit. This bogus bullshit was going on here LONG before The Donald mentioned it.

It's childish "I know you are but what am I?" crap and it goes on here ad infinitum.

[trumad]

47. I say fuck the bitch and her illegitimate children.

[leftstreet]

30. Maybe someone in the GOP is reviving it?

This came up here when it happened but DUers eventually gave it the ho-hum.

Makes me wonder if someone in the Republican party wants to get rid of her

:shrug:

[kristopher]

36. An academic wrote a paper questioning the press for not investigating properly

About 2 weeks ago there was an article on the paper in "Business Insider".

The professor concluded that the bulk of the evidence favored the possibility enough that it was irresponsible for the press not to have investigated more than they did.

The Business Insider article has a link to the piece by the Prof on scribd.

[nolabear]

29. Good God, what a waste of time and energy. Aren't we better than this?

The world is going to hell in a coced hat and we jump up and down over whether this woman's baby is hers? Where's the effort to do some good for those who need it? Where's the volunteering and protesting and laying it on the line for truth and justice? I don't CARE how unfair the other team fights; we're just better. And we ought to act, as my grandmother used to say, like we're somebody.

[Zywiec]

34. Apparently not. Look at some of the responses here. n/t

[Contrary1]

33. Sorry...I quit reading at "Palin-hating Left". n/t

[Orsino]

37. Don't stop half-way, Salon. The next step...

...is explaining her bizarre, panicky behavior on the day she gave birth.

[readmoreoften]

38. Anyone can wear a pregnancy pad. How are the flat-bellied pictures explained?

If you're really concerned about a "President Palin" I think you'd want this investigated. And if she's really lying, then it's evidence of the untenability of her own platform. If she's not lying, who cares? She's the one who politicizes pregnancy and abortion.

I frankly don't understand those who want to hand our enemies victories, especially those who rant and rave about the "left" being the problem in the Democratic Party because they ensure a "President Palin."

[chrisa]

40. "They're all lying!"

And whatever the conspiracy theorists will bring out to continue this dumb conspiracy.

[Bluebear]

42. Sorry, I lost interest at "the Palin-hating left". nt

[southernyankeebelle]

44. Its lies. After Palin had her last child before Trig many of her friends said she had her tubes

tied and the ends burned so she couldn't get pg again. She was in a carpool with several ladies. When it was her turn to take the all the kids to school she would call others in the carpool and ask them to take the kids. It got to be a joke. She would say you know I had a tubol or I had surgery. Palin is trying to shut it down because there are 3 new books coming out and believe me they will do damage to Palin. All you have to do is go to this blogs. They have been doing allot of digging on this subject.

Palinsgate.blogspot.com Policalgate.blogspot.com and The Immoral Minority.blogspot.com (this one is out of AK)

[cali]

45. oh for fuckity fuckity fuck's sake.

it's a lot more convincing than the shit you're posting. absolutely no better than the birther idiocy. Embarrassing to see that this idiot crap is taken seriously here.

[pipi_k]

46. And of course, the friends who said this...

they were there when the surgery was done.

and they have medical records to back up their claims...

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[Drunken Irishman]

48. I thought we moved beyond this Palin bullshit a couple years ago?

She's Trig's mom. Anyone who thinks otherwise should be clumped in with the idiots who believe Obama was born in Kenya - both consipracy theories are jokes and show how stupid and nutty society really is.

[SidDithers]

50. K&R...nt

Sid