Man films for youtube while woman gets beaten in McDonalds for 3 minutes

[Liberal_in_LA]

This video has gone viral. What's the responsibility of someone who's filming a crime? Just keep filming? In this case the guy kept filming, did nothing to help the victim. Older woman tries to help. Manager helps a little bit. Other employees do nothing.. Note - other website is reporting that victim was transgendered man who was trying to use the women's bathroom



Video at link below. Warning - it's disturbing. Victim is beaten until she's flopping on the floor in a seizure.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1379691/Caught-camera-Shocking-moment-girl-beaten-point-seizure-McDonalds-staff-idly-watch-on.html

[niyad]

1. charge him as an accessory

[Liberal_in_LA]

2. Some are suggesting that. He's been identified from his youtube account and face is on

internet. Public shaming will probably be his sentence. No law against "not" helping someone

[Lyric]

5. Was he the one who told them to run before the police got there?

Whoever THAT was should be charged for sure, and the guy filming it too.

[DURHAM D]

22. According to the article it was the manager who told them to run.

Also the manager just stepped over the victim while she was having a seizure. The seizure is toward the end of the video. I had to stop watching. It is apparently being investigated as a race based crime. I am certain nothing will come of that.

"Staff stood by and even laughed as the attackers grabbed the girl's hair and dragged her across the floor. The assault, which happened on April 18, was so severe the 22-year-old victim had a seizure in the restaurant."

Truly disgusting...

[GreenStormCloud]

108. There is no law that requires a bystander to intervene. N/T

[MedicalAdmin]

195. That is very true, but the question of whether or not ...

... the videographer contributed to the length or severity of the crime may come into play if it can be established that the videographer egged on the assault or should have reasonably realized that making a video would have extenuated the assault.

Still, that's a tenuous connection depending on what other witnesses come forth with...

[WatsonT]

123. I agree but other than calling the cops

I'm not sure what he could have done.

Had he intervened he could have very easily been hit with assault charges.

[lumberjack_jeff]

3. No. The person who deserves jail is the attacker.

Had he used the force necessary to stop the attacker, he'd have been arrested himself.

[niyad]

8. since he was filming that horror, the least he could have done was call 911

I repeat, he should be arrested as an accessory

[DURHAM D]

23. The least he could do was stop laughing.

[Darth_Kitten]

118. I agree, those who stand by and do NOTHING are just as guilty.

:(

[MH1]

134. I'm glad to see your reaction. I've always wondered similarly ...

when I see a video of a person being mauled by a dog. Particularly when video cameras were bigger ... beat the dog off with the camera, or at least call 911. How can someone have the gall to publish a video of another person being harmed while they are filming rather than helping stop the attack?

[varkam]

33. How's that?

In most jurisdictions, and also I believe in Baltimore, you're entitled to use reasonable force necessary to prevent the commission of a violent felony on a third party.

[WatsonT]

124. In reality though if a male phsyically restrains a female in public

he will likely receive charges.

[varkam]

218. Not if said female is busy wailing away on another person.

:shrug:

[WatsonT]

220. No, even then

Being a man physically caught assaulting a woman in public is generally not going to work out well for you.

[varkam]

221. Well, my experience has clearly been different than yours.

FYI, you might want to check if your state has a good samaritan law. If it does, and you don't act, then you could be held criminally liable.

[RamboLiberal]

224. That's bullcrap - the guy wouldn't be charged unless he starts

wailing on the attacker beyond the point of stopping the attack.

[WatsonT]

227. You must be new

welcome to America 2011, where every scumbag has at least one lawyer on speed dial.

[Common Sense Party]

211. That's nonsense. There are plenty of ways to stop an attacker,

and when you're defending another person and trying to stop a bloody and violent attack, you are in no way breaking the law.

[okieinpain]

216. yeah right. n/t.

[Common Sense Party]

222. Wow. Great rebuttal.

I'm in awe.

[Lyric]

4. I can't believe nobody intervened.

Fuck. If people didn't want to risk getting injured, are you telling me that in this modern world of paranoia, NOBODY had a keychain can of fucking mace? Nobody thought to throw something at them? Fuck, pick up a chair and smack them with it if that's what it takes to make the attack stop. That woman could have been killed.

I don't get it. I just cannot comprehend why nobody did ANYTHING.

[JI7]

9. there was some old lady who tried to stop them but it says they threatened her also

fucking scumbags.

[LisaL]

28. A male employee did try to stop them a number of times.

They kept coming back.

[ellenfl]

86. 'some old lady'? charming. eom

[JI7]

88. i meant to show how it was someone who is physically weaker

who tried to stop it while the younger guys did nothing.

[tblue37]

174. Nevertheless, she KEPT on trying to stop them, and kept

physically getting between them and their victim. She should get a lot of public attention for being a hero.

[niyad]

10. I don't carry mace or tear gas anymore, but I do carry a purse that weighs about 10 lbs. . .

and I was taught how to use it most effectively

[LisaL]

18. You should watch the video. A male employee did try to stop

it (a number of times), but the two females kept coming back. Although when victim was having a seizure, nobody was trying to help.

[tblue37]

175. He was a amnager and just didn't want the mess in his restaurant. Also, he kept

walking by and over the victim without even looking at her, as though he didn't esee her as human. Even when she was seizing for an extended time at the restaurant entrance, he didn't bother to look at her, much less help her. He just stepped over her and kept walking. He also is the one who told the attackers to run away when the cops were called.

[Common Sense Party]

223. Yes, he could have been much more forceful and authoritative,

ordered them out of the restaurant, and when they did finally go outside he should have locked the doors until the police arrived.

[tblue37]

228. He ALSO could have shown a modicum of concern for the victim, instead of walking past her,

stepping over her, and completely ignoring her as a human being.

[guardian]

113. If I'd been there

I would have slammed those two bitches into the wall so hard that they'd have a seizure. And I'd feel good about it.

[somone]

6. Truly vile

[Aerows]

7. They ripped her hair out

She had long pretty hair, and the literally ripped it out by the roots while they beat on her. My god. What is this world coming to when people not only stand by and let this happen but laugh about it. That woman that intervened had more balls than anyone in the damn restaurant.

As for someone saying she was transgendered, she has boobs and long hair - I know that doesn't mean anything, but still, she looked female to me. Those women doing the beat down were crazy.

[LisaL]

24. Yes, she certainly looks to be female.

And she clearly wasn't even trying to fight, just barely defending herself.

[tblue37]

176. She does seem to have fairly masculine lookign shoulders, though she

might just be strong for a woman. But the way everyone, including the amnager, ignored her plight and refused to even look at heror help her suggests that they felt no sympathy or human connection to her, and that sort of hatred is often directed more at transgenedered men and women than even at other hated minorities. I believe she probably is transgendered--and I hope she becomes megamillionaire from suing the store and everyone involved!

[Carni]

194. I don't care what gender the victim was

There should have been some major ass kicking of those two vile women who attacked the person,
by everyone in the restaurant (IMO) or at the very least/restraint of the two nasty beasts.

I had trouble watching the entire video. I cannot believe anyone could stand back and film that and laugh--at the VERY LEAST chase their asses out, lock the doors and call 911.

[ecstatic]

11. As long as he called the police, or he knew that someone else did

I don't see why he should be charged. Not everyone wants to play the hero who breaks up fights. No telling who has a gun these days.

Edited to add a comment from the board: "This is exactly what McDonald's wanted to happen. They tell their employees to not get involved. In 2009 a McDonald's employee stopped a man from beating up his girlfriend and ended up getting shot. McD's refused to pay his medical bills."

[Horse with no Name]

27. Are you talking about the incident in Oklahoma?

Because the Manager was the one beating up the customer and another customer in the car behind got out and helped. The Manager then shot him and ran off.

I know the guy who was shot. He took my daughter to her first prom.

[Violet_Crumble]

34. I hope that McFuckwit gets the sack. The sick wanker was laughing as he filmed...

There's no excuse for that. There's a hell of a difference between opting to not play a hero, and what this creep did, which is getting his jollies by filming it while laughing at what's happening...

[Mimosa]

91. Yes, I heard the laughing.

I'm glad I'm on my way to O.L.D. This country has turned disgusting. It didn't used to be like this.

[upi402]

12. Those two "ladies" need to be thrown under the prison

and not let out into society for a while. They seem to actually be that viscous and not under the influence.

[JI7]

17. they should have charged the 14 year old as an adult

[upi402]

26. Just sadistic

I have to ask myself - a pukeheart liberal- how can you instill a conscience in someone that does that while not out of their mind on some substance. That behavior is the core behavior of that young woman.

[JI7]

13. anyone know when or if the police were called ?

[blondeatlast]

95. Police report here:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bal-mcdonalds-beating-police-report-html,0,7028621.htmlpage

[Go2Peace]

209. They were not arrested!

[msongs]

14. observers laughed. nt

[Terra Alta]

15. That is just horrible.

What is this world coming to? Instead of filming the attack, the employee should have called 911, immediately. I hope this woman sues McDonald's, and wins a lot of money. No one deserves to be treated this way.

[pacalo]

16. This makes me want to get some mace to carry around. The older lady tried to stop it

& one of the girls told her, "Don't put your hands on me." Even if 911 had been called, this would have continued until the police arrived.

A big shame on that manager who apparently knows nothing about managing. He walked past the victim several times instead of removing her from the situation. Nor did he remove the three heathens from the property. This deserves a lawsuit.

[niyad]

20. as a matter of curiousity, why would you call those two thugs heathens???

since when is being a heathen (of the heath) equal to being a thug?

[pacalo]

30. Considering the incident that is the topic at hand, you're more bothered by a choice of

the description I used for those thugs? I'm not getting into a semantics debate. The video speaks volumes more about their character than I used in my one-word description. It is a word that I'd use for anyone who shows that type of ungodly behavior.

[Threedifferentones]

37. Since when is godly behavior good behavior is what the other posters point is.

Nazis thought they were doing their god's work. George Bush apparently considers himself a man of god. As did those fools who flew planes into buildings.

The use of the words heathen and godly display more of your moral character than you seem to know.

[pacalo]

42. Hahaaa! Love the self-righteous who look with a fine-tooth comb for something to be indignant about

Do you really think I give a rat's ass about what you just said?

:rofl:

[WildEyedLiberal]

47. +1

Really, in a thread about an innocent person getting a beatdown in a McDonald's, someone's trying to start a religious shitfest? Really?

I should be more surprised, but that's pretty par for the course here.

[pacalo]

61. Thank you.

:yourock:

[tkmorris]

76. Oh nonsense. The poster who used the word "heathen"

is the one who inserted religion into the discussion, and highly inappropriately in my opinion. BTW who exactly is most known for getting bent outta shape around transgenders anyway? Heathens? Or Christians? Since the topic has been raised I figure it's fair game to ask.

[Violet_Crumble]

77. Fer gawd's sake!

Oops, sorry. There I go dropping religion into it. It really bothers me that some folk seem more interested in discussing theology and trying to deter anyone from using any word that might have something to do with religion that being appalled by the brutal attack on an innocent womean..y'know, the attack the OP was about...

[WildEyedLiberal]

79. Except it's extremely obvious the poster didn't use "heathen" in a religious context

It's insanely pedantic hair-splitting for you to read it literally, and you've successfully managed to derail the thread into another rote DU religion flamewar. Well done :eyes:

[tkmorris]

100. Words have meanings

To be honest I expected nothing to come of this. I expected the poster who called them "heathens" to immediately acknowledge that their use of the word was not meant to be literal, and we could all move on.

They did not. They in fact seemed to be proud of their usage of the word, and as such, they were called on it. I repeat, the usage of the word "heathen" was the introduction of religion into this thread and if you don't like that you would do well to discuss it with the poster who used that word. They can retract it whenever they want to, and so far they have not. Until they do I will continue to object to it's usage in this case. There is nothing to indicate that these aggressors were "heathens".

[TorchTheWitch]

161. you just don't know the word heathen has more than one meaning

Look up the word "heathen". It ALSO means uncivilized/barbarous. CLEARLY that was the intended meaning by the poster.

You owe that poster an apology.

[niyad]

172. oh yes, clearly that was what the person meant--your definition is from the xians, by the way.

(have taken note of one interesting thing in your post as completely unsurprising)

the original meaning stands, so quit trying to twist it.

hea·then
   /ˈhiðən/ Show Spelled Show IPA noun, plural -thens, -then, adjective
–noun
1.
an unconverted individual of a people that do not acknowledge the god of the Bible; a person who is neither a Jew, Christian, nor Muslim; pagan.
2.
an irreligious, uncultured, or uncivilized person.
–adjective
3.
of or pertaining to heathens; pagan.
4.
irreligious, uncultured, or uncivilized.
Use heathen in a Sentence
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Origin:
before 900; Middle English hethen, Old English hǣthen, akin to German Heide, heidnisch (adj.), Old Norse heithingi (noun), heithinn (adj.), Gothic haithno (noun); perhaps akin to heath

—Related forms
hea·then·dom, noun
hea·then·hood, noun
hea·then·ness, noun
hea·then·ship, noun
half-hea·then, adjective, noun
non·hea·then, noun, plural -thens, -then, adjective
un·hea·then, adjective

—Synonyms
3. heathenish, barbarous. Heathen, pagan are both applied to peoples who are not Christian, Jewish, or Muslim. Heathen is often distinctively applied to unenlightened or barbaric idolaters, especially to primitive or ancient tribes: heathen rites, idols. Pagan, though applied to any of the peoples not worshiping according to the three religions mentioned above, is most frequently used in speaking of the ancient Greeks and Romans: a pagan poem; a pagan civilization. 4. philistine; savage.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/heathen




In the Christian perspective the term has been used historically to encompass all non–Abrahamic religions.<2><3> The term pagan is a Christian adaptation of the "gentile" of Judaism, and as such has an inherent Abrahamic bias, and pejorative connotations among monotheists,<4> comparable to heathen and infidel also known as kafir (كافر) and mushrik in Islam. Peter Brown observes:

The adoption of paganus by Latin Christians as an all-embracing, pejorative term for polytheists represents an unforeseen and singularly long-lasting victory, within a religious group, of a word of Latin slang originally devoid of religious meaning. The evolution occurred only in the Latin west, and in connection with the Latin church. Elsewhere, "Hellene" or "gentile" (ethnikos) remained the word for "pagan"; and paganos continued as a purely secular term, with overtones of the inferior and the commonplace.<5>
. . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heathen#Heathen

[tkmorris]

102. BTW, your post tempts me

It tempts me to use the word "Christians" in a non-literal way every chance I get. Every time a gay or transgender person is attacked, their attackers shall become "Christians", because they don't actually have to BE Christians for me to call them such do they? Are you starting to see what might be wrong with such labels or should I continue?

[niyad]

115. no, words have specific meanings, and the poster clearly indicated that non-christians are not

"godly"-- nothing hair-splitting about pointing out such bigoted remarks.

[pacalo]

98. Oh, yeah. As soon as I read the OP I thought about religion. Mmhmm.

Frankly, in using the word "heathen" I was thinking along the lines of "animal". "Heathen" just had a better ring to it as I watched them drag this girl on the floor by her hair. While all the other depraved sickos just stood by watching & giggling.

And a few here are quibbling about words. It is what it is.

[Swede]

137. You gotta be kidding.

nt

[niyad]

114. in case you didn't notice, I have commented on the actual incident. but, since YOU chose to use the

word "heathen" to describe these two thugs, it was my right to ask why you would use such a word. and, since you clearly indicate that you use that word to indicate "ungodly", I am asking again, WHY? do you even know what the word means? and what the HELL does "god" have to do with this??

[Webster Green]

122. Wierdest thread hijack ever.

I can't believe what I'm reading. :wtf:

[a la izquierda]

181. And this is why I'm rapidly tiring of DU.

:eyes:
It's like having a conversation with sugar-addled 5 year olds.

[TorchTheWitch]

162. clearly you don't know what it means - look it up

Dictionaries are useful things. Right THERE in the dictionary it ALSO defines the word heathen as uncivilized or barbarous.

You may now appologize for berating the poster due to your own ignorance of the OTHER meaning of the word heathen.

[niyad]

177. well, since it has that meaning BECAUSE of the so-called "godly", don't think any of us will

apologize for the inherent bigotry of that statement

[Mojorabbit]

205. I don't know if you know

that Heathens are a major branch of paganism. I know many of them and while they may run a bit on the conservative side in general politically they are good people as a rule.

[krabigirl]

214. Ungodly? Usually it is the "godly" types who perpetuate hatred.

[Maine-ah]

119. I find it to be appropriate.

the second definition of "heathen" from Merriam-Webster : strange, uncivilized.

I certainly find the actions of everyone involved, except for the victim, to be uncivilized.

[TorchTheWitch]

160. heathen also means uncivilized or barbarous

Get thee a dictionary.

[closeupready]

188. Thought exactly the same thing.

I'm holding back here, but yes, the can would have been empty if I'd been there.

[octothorpe]

19. That's disgusting behavior all around. Why would they attack her like that?

Why did they think they would get away with it too? And idiot filming it should be charged with something.

[LisaL]

21. Don't know if this true, but she might be transgender or cross-

dresser (at least that's what some blogs are reporting)?

[DURHAM D]

35. Yep - she is transgender.

Equality Maryland reacts via press release.

"A member of our community was recently the victim of senseless violence. Equality Maryland is saddened that in this day and age, bigotry and discrimination against transgender individuals continue, especially in our own backyard. No person ever deserves to be a victim of violence regardless of their gender identity or presentation. We encourage the State's Attorney General to investigate this as a gate crime based on gender identity. We are encouraged that McDonald's is working with local police to investigate this incident, and hope that the company will follow-up with appropriate disciplinary action against any employees involved. We remain committed to advancing gender identity protections for the entire state of Maryland and will continue to work with local organizations and legislators to advance these protections."

OAN - So has McDonald"s -

"We are shocked by the video from a Baltimore franchised restaurant showing an assault. This incident is unacceptable, disturbing and troubling. McDonald’s strives to be a safe, welcoming environment for everyone who visits. Nothing is more important to us than the safety of customers and employees in our restaurants. We are working with the franchisee and the local authorities to investigate this matter."

[LisaL]

36. Well, if she actually is transgender, there is hope for it being

charged as a hate crime, I presume.

[DURHAM D]

44. Won't happen.

She was using the women's bathroom. Its just a matter of time before leading crazy Christians go on the tv and say that the victim should be charged with a crime. She brought it on herself... The seizure was God teaching her a lesson...

[ProdigalJunkMail]

171. I am a Christian...

and I find your remarks repugnant. She didn't deserve any of what happened to her...

sP

[Liquorice]

51. I think it should be considered a hate crime even if she isn't transgendered. nt

[DURHAM D]

56. Do you mean a race based hate crime?

[Liquorice]

60. There doesn't seem to be any other motive than hate. They don't

appear to be robbing her or to have a personal vendetta or anything. The victim was a stranger to them, so why attack her?

[DURHAM D]

62. White people are not a protected class.

[LisaL]

63. I don't believe it can only be a hate crime if the victim is of protected

class.

[Liquorice]

65. Yep, it seems like a hate crime to me. nt

[TorchTheWitch]

186. The federal law only protects specific protected classes

Until recently, sexual orientation was not part of the law due to the Matthew Shephard case. Before sexual orientation was added to the list of protected classes concerning hate crimes, federal law only considered hate crimes to be ones of race, color, religion or national origin.

There are hate crime laws at the state level though that I believe are more inclusive of other groups (depending on the state).

[Liquorice]

68. The definition of a hate crime doesn't specify that the victim must be from a

particular protected class.

[tabasco]

132. As far as hate crimes are concerned

they most certainly are.

Pick up a book sometime instead of spouting nonsense.

[TorchTheWitch]

183. sure they are - race

Race as a protected class refers to all races... as it should. It's just as much of a hate crime to beat up someone because they are white as it is to beat up someone because they are black... in both cases the person was beaten up because of their race.

[cherokeeprogressive]

45. IF that is the case, then someone needs to be prosecuted for a HATE CRIME.

Personally, I think the guy who video'd it should be prosecuted too. He can be heard telling the "girls" they needed to leave before the cops came just before the end of the video. In my mind, that MAKES him an accessory.

This is fucked up on so many levels, it's sickening and inexcusable no matter what "inequalities" in the past might have helped make it happen. The audio is hard to understand but I never heard anything about gender or cross-dressing. I DID, however, hear racial slurs.

Oh, and someone defended the store manager and said he "tried" to stop it? As sure as my ass is lily white he wasn't ABOUT to stop it. He never got between those "girls" and their victim with any kind of conviction whatsoever,

Sickening.

[LisaL]

49. I am not sure that the guy in the blue shirt is actually the manager,

but at least that guy was trying to stop it. While other employees were simply standing around, including the one who taped it all.
By the way I wouldn't be surprised if McDonalds does have rules against employees interfering.

[cherokeeprogressive]

50. I'm not surprised that McDonalds has rules against humans being human.

No way in HELL could I have stood by and watched that happen. NO job is that important. But, I'd venture a guess that had I stepped in, someone those thugs percieved to be a white person, I'd have been in the shit just as deep as their victim was though.

In my mind, the transgender thing is just a way to attempt a deflection of race on race crime.

[LisaL]

54. I can't really blame McDonalds if they do have these rules.

Considering we live in such a lawsuit happy society, if an employee gets injured, or the customer gets injured while fighting with the employee, etc, you know who could be liable to pay the big bucks? Regarding the victim, I am not convinced the victim is transgender either. She certainly looks to be female, but the video is not of a very good quality, so who knows.

[cherokeeprogressive]

57. Looked female to me. n/t

[LisaL]

58. To me also, but again, the video is not very clear.

I can't really see her face.

[Violet_Crumble]

59. I'm pretty sure Maccas has a rule about using mobile phones at work...

They do here in Australia. I suspect they may also train their staff to not put themselves in harm's way, but laughing while filming a serious assault may be taking that just one step too far. If Maccas haven't sacked that guy, then Maccas does deserve some blame, imo...

As far as I'm concerned, if the victim is transgendered, then it's a hatecrime, and if it turns out the victim was attacked because she was white, then it's also a hatecrime....

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

219. I used to work for a large retailer,

That got sued into oblivion after a security guard was practically beaten to death when confronting some methed out shoplifters in the parking lot, following that the policy was total non-intervention in ANY incident in the store. Call the police and get out of the way!

[one_voice]

25. Oh, crap...

I accidentally hit unrec. I'm sorry!!!!

[Egnever]

29. lots of fail all around on that video

[aikoaiko]

31. Is this videographer much different from a serious news journalist/camera operator

:shrug:

edited to add: I watched video with the sound off. Was he laughing or egging it on?

[Violet_Crumble]

38. I suggest you turn the sound on and see if you feel the same way...

I suspect you'll see the difference after you've watched it this time round...

[blondeatlast]

48. Why don't you turn the sound on and find out? Sheesh.

BTW, he was definitely commenting on it and might have been giggling.

But still--sheesh.

[aikoaiko]

107. sheesh yourself.

My five year old was sleeping on the couch next to me.

[razorman]

32. Soon, I think one of these incidents will occur and be recorded

in which the victim will be armed and fight back. Too bad it couldn't have been this time.

[sarcasmo]

39. That was very hard to watch and made me crazy angry.

[LisaL]

41. The victim probably is lucky because it appears they were trying

to drag her outside of the store and almost made it to the door with her.

[toddwv]

40. So what started the altercation?

The video is only proof that the two girls are douchebags. It doesn't show who started it.

I agree that the manager handled the situation VERY poorly and the employee that filmed it should be fired.

[LisaL]

43. The victim might be transgender who was trying to use the restroom.

[blondeatlast]

46. Smoking Gun has Hackett's facebook post--it's REALLY ugly, be warned:

worse yet is that the slug slime thinks that's a defense. :puke:

Edit: link to TSG: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/mcdonalds/mcdonalds-employee-filmed-brutal-beating-640128

[DURHAM D]

52. What can you say about the stupid...

I hope everyone takes a moment to think about what they would do if they were out and needed to use a public bathroom and the men don't want you in their bathroom and women don't want you in their's. Please just think about it for a moment.

[blondeatlast]

53. No kidding. I've been known to use a men's room that was cleared out

when I was desperate and once when my little boy had been in too long (he was indeed having digestive problems) I just barged into one.

[DURHAM D]

55. If you are (or preceived to be) a member of my community you might be attacked.

[Violet_Crumble]

66. I've thought about it before...

There's a very busy local online forum/blog thing I frequent far more frequently than I do DU http://the-riotact.com/ and a story once appeared there about a cafe I used to love going to and how the manager abused a transgendered customer and asked her to leave after watching her walk into the female toilets. I like quite a few others never used that cafe again and all I could think of was the humiliation that poor woman felt on being harangued in front of other customers by that arsehole of a manager. I don't understand the preciousness some people feel about gender and toilets. Female loos have cubicles anyway, so why would anyone care if a transgendered person is using the cubicle next to them?

[DURHAM D]

74. Thanks for thoughtful post.

JFTR - I always preferred VCs to Crunchies. However, currently I can't find either one for sell at the usual places.

[Violet_Crumble]

83. I think it was more commonsense than thoughtful...

And totally agreed on the whole VC vs Crunchie thing. I've heard that they can be found in the exotic foods aisle in some big supermarkets in the US, but I think they're not imported anymore and they can't be bought online http://www.candywarehouse.com/violetcrumble.html Seeing how I can lay my hands on them far too easily, if you ever want some, let me know, and I'll send you a few :)

[blondeatlast]

78. +1. The last thing I think about while doing my business is

who is doing theirs right next to me. I just want to get out as quickly as possible.

[pacalo]

64. Make that *Doctor* Hackett. Oh, brother.

[blondeatlast]

73. Yeah--"Charm"ing, isn't he? nt

[Violet_Crumble]

70. Revolting. Surely McDonalds have sacked him by now?

Does anyone know?

[Imagevision]

67. The victim was transgendered man trying to use the women's bathroom silly!

she's lucky she didn't end up in the hospital

[LisaL]

72. She did end up in a hospital-in fair condition.

[DURHAM D]

75. "silly"

Really?

Are you ignorant or are you trying to be snarky?

[fried eggs]

89. Some words were exchanged, much like the woman who accosted the smoker

On the train. That's why it's best not to get into it with strangers.

[formernaderite]

109. I'm assuming the transgender White woman

got into it with the two Black girls in the bathroom. Of course they were entirely in the wrong...I'm just saying it was probably stupid of her to get into it with them at all, particularly if she was by herself. It can be dangerous enough for transgender people, it's worse when skin color comes into it.

[backscatter712]

116. How dare she assert her civil rights! n/t

[fascisthunter]

120. holy fuck.... you really did say that

that's just disgusting

[ScreamingMeemie]

126. I think the intent here was sarcasm.

I really do.

[Generic Other]

69. Very very sad...everything is on video these days

Certainly makes it easy for the judge and jury to make a decision.

Is McDonald's liable since their workers did not lend assistance. Seemed like they didn't even call 911 until things escalated out of control.

What an awful scene. The guy who uploaded the video for the hits is famous now. Hope he enjoys his 15 minutes of hate.

[blondeatlast]

71. Link to police report here from Baltimore sun website:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bal-mcdonalds-beating-police-report-html,0,7028621.htmlpage

[PotatoChip]

182. Neither suspect appears to have been arrested yet

according to that police report. (Unless I missed something). I hope it's simply a matter of finding them, and not some situation that will be brushed off for whatever reason. Definitely the two attackers should see some jail time. And hopefully the 'bystanders' too will face some sort of retribution... at the very least, losing their job(s)

[blondeatlast]

184. Brushed off? Why on earth would you think it would be brushed off? And police reports

are filed immediately after the incident. Unless police arrive on the scene as it is happening they generally don't arrest and in this case they didn't--the attackers were already gone. I gather evidence for trials for a living--this isn't at all unusual.

The younger girl has been charged and the investigation continues--and that's NOT unusual for a crime like this. The police don't want to risk making mistakes that could result in the attackers not being punished.

A quick Google of Baltimore news results in this:

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/27640819/detail.html

:wtf: makes you think it would be "brushed off"?

[PotatoChip]

193. Good. It appears that the attackers are being

brought up on charges, based on this second link. Thanks for providing it.

[blondeatlast]

197. Nice dodge--why on earth would you think the incident would be "brushed off"? nt

[blondeatlast]

185. also--were you there? Bystanders have no duty, civilly or criminally,

to stop a crime in progress.

Good Samaritan laws a excuse them from liability if they try to render first aid only--they are under no legal requirement to risk their own lives. Even if they are egging on the attack, they can't be charged--that's one thing "Law & Order" gets right.

[OhioChick]

80. That's seriously fucked up......

"Better go before the cops come?"

:wtf:

[readmoreoften]

81. Please stop calling her a transgendered man. She's a transgendered woman using the woman's restroom.

Where the fuck else would she pee?

As someone who is partnered to a transgendered MAN who has been escorted by police out of WOMEN'S and MEN'S restrooms, where the fuck are trans people supposed to pee? WHERE?

[blondeatlast]

85. I'm reminded of "Whites Only" bathrooms--shame on us that we get all up

in who's doing their business in the next stall.

I'm so sorry for your partner's burden--that has to be tremendously stressful and no one should have to endure it.

Edit again--edited the wrong post.

[tishaLA]

190. I was hoping someone in the thread would point this out

Christ, I hate it when people refer to M2F TS as men.

[Carni]

200. What I want to know is....

Who in the hell scrutinizes people in the restroom trying to determine their gender?

I have watched that video twice and there is nothing about that person's appearance that would lead me to believe that was a man, so obviously the individual would have chosen the women's bathroom to use.

Were those two heinous women looking under the door of the bathroom stall to see what gender the person was? WTF????!!!!!

I think they should just have private (SINGLE) unisex bathrooms in these places-two of them. Typically at fast food joints there are only two stalls per bathroom anyway JMO but with that said this beating is bullshit on all levels, whether the person was a man/ woman -- or whatever the case may have been.

THis whole incident makes me madder than hell in general!

[readmoreoften]

82. I'd listen with the sound on. But it will upset my partner who's nearby, so I'l listen later.

The fact that my partner could very well be beaten or killed for using a restroom is a harsh reality for me and it makes me extremely angry.

[ChromeFoundry]

84. Disgusting display of violence

The two women beating the victim should be locked in a cage, like the animals they are. I've seen dogs put down for less violent acts than this. It's a good thing I don't make the laws, because there would be two fewer bullets left in this world.

The person taking the video should be charged as an accessory to the crime.
The entire staff at the McDonalds needs to be let go... there are too many decent people in need of a jobs right now.

Is McDonalds responsible? In part, yes. If someone got a beat-down like that on my property, you better believe I would get sued.

Totally disgusting. :puke:

I wish the best for the victims recovery.

[athenasatanjesus]

87. A lot of the right wingers on the sports message boards I go on were pissed at first.....

...when they thought it was black women beating up a regular white woman,when they realized she might be transgendered they got confused,and seem to have dropped it.

[LisaL]

90. Does anyone know what the law actually is?

Which bathroom is transgender person supposed to use?
I believe that because she identifies as a female she should be legally able to use female bathroom. Is that true?

[blondeatlast]

92. I don't think restroom choice is defined by law--nor should it be.

I've been in several public restrooms that had no designations whatsoever.

Edit: If police get involved it is likely for a trumped up "public disturbance."

[LisaL]

101. I do not believe this to be correct.

[blondeatlast]

117. My apologies, you are correct. nt

[ScreamingMeemie]

127. You are right. It's not correct. A woman was arrested in MI (I can't remember

if it was Tiger stadium or the JLA) for using a men's restroom when the women's restrooms had ridiculous lines.

[readmoreoften]

152. But that doesn't have anything to do with laws regarding transgendered people.

My partner was escorted out a woman's restroom by the police for being too masculine. One of the other customers was screaming "It's a man! It's a man!" so she was removed. She was also escorted by police for asking to use one of the cubicles in the men's dressing room of a NYC store instead of having to try on a suit for graduation in the open women's changing area (no rooms, no doors).

[ScreamingMeemie]

154. I was clarifying. Not stating an opinion.

There shouldn't be laws with regard to restroom usage, IMO. Thank you for realizing this.

[LisaL]

167. Just by googling, I was able to find out there are all kind of bills

and ordinances regarding this issue.

[blondeatlast]

199. Links are helpful. nt

[readmoreoften]

150. There are no laws governing this.

And there shouldn't be. Trans people should use whatever bathroom seem safest. This is particularly true for transmen who aren't yet completely passable. Both are dangerous and it should be gauged by the situation. A men's restroom would likely be safest at, say, Whole Foods and sometimes a women's a rural BBQ joint. Usually NO bathrooms are safe, unfortunately.

[LisaL]

166. This is not correct.

Some jurisdictions do have ordinances regarding this.
"The dark ad came from opponents of a gender identity provision added last year to the city's anti-discrimination ordinance, which now allows the city's roughly 100 transgender residents to use whichever restroom they're most comfortable using."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/10/floridas-transgender-bath_n_156889.html

[badtoworse]

93. You should have put "man" in quotes.

[ruggerson]

94. Gee, I wonder what inspires this kind of hatred

n/t

[pettypace]

96. Drudge making this look like a race issue

He's got the internets abuzz thinking this was a white versus black episode.

I had no idea sexuality was in question! Thank Christ for DU.

[LisaL]

103. Transgender has to do with gender identity.

Not sexuality. And frankly at this time it's not at all clear as to what the motivation for the beating was. At this time police have not confirmed that this was a transgender woman.

"The video received widespread attention part because of the racial dynamics of the attack – the attackers were black, and the victim is white. State's Attorney Scott D. Shellenberger, who said he was unaware of the gender-related issues, said the racial dynamics of the incident could result in hate-crime charges."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-viral-video-mcdonalds-20110422,0,4613709.story

[pettypace]

105. I'm very much confused on these identities

I've heard the term LGBT which includes transgender. The former 3 deal with sexuality, so how does the latter stand on its own, and at the same time share space with gay, lesbian, and bi terms?

Irregardless, we should all downplay race as a factor in the beating. It will be interesting to see how the story plays out.

[Hugabear]

106. Just another "Scary Black People" headline for Drudge

Anytime there's a viral video showing black people fighting, you can bet that Drudge will give it lots of play. Doesn't matter that there's plenty of violence all around, that it's a horrible problem that crosses all racial boundaries.

[Anakin Skywalker]

97. This is the Age of YouTube. It's all about exploiting other people's pain and suffering.

[JI7]

99. just glad it also means the assholes who do it are more likely to get caught

[seabeyond]

121. i agree. cant watch, nor want to watch. it is what you say

it feeds itself.... and grows

[Rhythm]

104. Every single person who did not come to this woman's aid is culpable...

Having finished watching that whole video, I am sitting here shaking with rage.

How the hell can any of the people live with themselves -- these so-called PEOPLE who stood by while this was happening to another human being?!?! I know i couldn't... even if i thought that the attackers would turn their viciousness on me!

I hope the perps get serious jail time... and that the rest of the folks who stood idly by, or worse were jeering and laughing and shot video for YouTube, get the justice they so richly deserve for their display of such callous behavior.

[GreenStormCloud]

149. There is no legal requirement to come to another's aid.

So nothing will happen to any bystanders. There may or may not be laws pertaining to those who verbally encouraged the beating. But there is no requirement to get involved.

[GreenStormCloud]

110. This video illustrates a good reason to have a CCW and always be armed. N/T

[ScreamingMeemie]

128. Yep. CCW's and being armed really helped my family.

:sarcasm:

[GreenStormCloud]

151. Having her gun on her saved my wife's life from violent assault. N/T

[ScreamingMeemie]

153. Having a gun on him killed my husband. NT

[JI7]

163. pepper spray would be better, at least if it hits the wrong person they wont be killed

[closeupready]

189. Absolutely.

nt

[-..__...]

111. Two to the chest...

one to the head... problem solved.

[guardian]

112. Definitely a hate crime

If it had been two white guys doing this to a african american girl, is there any doubt they would be charged with a hate crime in addition to any other charges?

[Keith Bee]

125. Another James O'Keefe production?

By the time Breitbart is done with the editing, Camera Boy will be an all-American hero. {puke:

[Broderick]

129. Why did the MCD employee steal her phone?

So help couldn't be called. That seems like lawsuit right there to me.

[LisaL]

130. Where did you get this idea? I do not believe anyone stole her phone.

Presumably the guy who videotaped it used his own phone. They McDonalds also did call the police.

[Broderick]

131. Watch again. n/t

[LisaL]

136. Now I see that in the very beginning something white appears

to have fallen out of her bag and one of the employees (in a red shirt) appears to take it. Good observation-I wonder if police noticed that.

[Broderick]

144. Very sad all the way around.

The older lady seems to be very brave to try to intervene, and it almost looks like she got hit too.

[Broderick]

133. At 17 to 18 seconds in the video

her phone comes out of the purse she had. A MCD employees jumps in and takes the phone off the floor.

[ScreamingMeemie]

135. How do we know that the employee was "stealing" the phone?

Perhaps the employee was looking for a contact to call?
Perhaps the employee didn't want it to get broken, stolen by someone else, etc?

Why must we immediately jump to conclusions before an entire story comes out?

On edit: I am guessing that this McDonalds had a phone that could be used to call for help.

[LisaL]

138. I guess the question could be answered if

we knew where this item was now. Did he give the item to the police when it showed up?

[Broderick]

139. I am sure he was just protecting her property

while she was getting kicked in the head, meanwhile, that same employee is laughing and such later on in the video. Maybe I jumped to a conclusion, but nevertheless if she didn't get the phone back is it theft? To be determined.

[ScreamingMeemie]

141. I really can't say because I did not gather as much info from a video

as you have. I'm going to wait and see. I did not connect the employee who picked up the phone with the employee that was laughing. The video is just not that good, and I am not a CSI. Again, I'm going to wait and see.

[Broderick]

142. I just feel very bad for the victim

in this brutal assault. Were the police called in a timely fashion during or after the incident and if not, her method of reaching out for help was no longer in her possession. This was very hard to watch.

[ScreamingMeemie]

147. It was horrid to watch. It shows, for me, just how savage society

is. :(

[blondeatlast]

148. Anonymous tip line: 410-276-8888; since you apprently witnessed something

others didn't see.

[blondeatlast]

146. Thanks you--that employee probabl;y wouldn't have had his/her

own phone handy--that is just as likely to be the person who called for help as it is to be a "theft." We weren't there.

[Broderick]

208. police call after the incident as now reported

I guess you are unaware that Mcdonalds facilities actually have phones, in the actual location, and even the employees as evidenced by the person taking the video on his cellphone. I guess some folks will learn new stuff every day in life.... haha

[WinkyDink]

140. There is no "Good Samaritan" law.

[LisaL]

143. That is not exactly correct.

Remember the final episode of Sienfeld? Some states do have laws requiring at least notification of the law enforcement.

[WinkyDink]

168. Didn't watch it.

[Broderick]

145. This is why some aren't as brave as the older lady

that tried to intervene.


Dad who split up fight in McDonald's shot dead

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/04/21/dad-who-split-up-fight-in-mcdonald-s-shot-dead-115875-23075797/

[JVS]

155. "Good Samaritan" laws are another matter entirely.

Such laws are designed to protect people who help another person from liability. For example, suppose we're working in an office together and you have a heart attack. A Good Samaritan law means that if I attempt CPR, you can't sue me because I cracked a few of your ribs (chest compressions are very likely to do this) in the process. Similarly if I were to pull you from a flaming car, but in the process move you in a way that aggravates a spinal injury from the wreck and leaves you paralyzed, Good Samaritan laws would protect me.

[JVS]

156. I don't think minimum wage employees should be expected to act as security.

They're not paid well enough to put up with such bullshit and they usually aren't in the position to deal with possible legal consequences of getting involved.

[blondeatlast]

157. But they should call the police--that seems to be what he DIDN'T do with his phone.

[Abq_Sarah]

164. Nor should they

Stand around laughing and recording a brutal attack.

[Name removed]

158. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[blondeatlast]

159. Perhaps a good, solid read through the thread is in order before you

allow your ignorance to show. :eyes:

[alp227]

165. I found this from the CBS station in Washington DC

because I was looking up which station in DC showed the political talk show The McLaughlin Group if not WRC-TV, the Washington NBC station from where the show is produced. Turns out that the Group is weekends on WUSA. Here's the story from that station, not a right-wing British tabloid.

At first I had the impression (based on the WUSA website reprinting an Associated Press story) that it was a racially motivated attack (and thus juices up those right-wingers who believe that the racist tide has reversed in the modern era) but then read some more sources including the Smoking Gun profile of Vernon Haskett, the guy who filmed all this. It'd be a good thing if he gave the video to police and helped the investigation, but since Haskett decided to make a joke out of all this he's a freaking moron. Turns out the victim, Chrissy Lee Polis, was a transwoman (please correct me if I'm not using the right LGBT terminology).

I won't rule out homophobia or racism as motivation for this violent attack. From what I've read about the case I believe that hate crime charges are warranted as well as negligence for the employees who did nothing - not even calling 911!

[WinkyDink]

169. Here's another example:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/04/21/dad-who-split-up-fight-in-mcdonald-s-shot-dead-115875-23075797/

[sgsmith]

170. Videographer fired

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-mcdonalds-video-20110423,0,1302714.story

A Baltimore County McDonald's owner announced on Saturday afternoon that an employee who taped the violent beating of a customer — a video that went viral Friday — had been fired.

"My first and foremost concern is with the victim," franchise owner Mitchell McPherson said in a statement, adding that action might be taken against other restaurant workers as well. "I'm as shocked and disturbed by this assault as anyone would be. The behavior displayed in the video is unfathomable and reprehensible."

[hayu_lol]

178. Some thoughts on this thread...

McD's may have policy that does not allow employees to use their phones during work periods. May have. They do have a policy that tells employees not to get involved. Since infractions of such rules usually end up in firing, most employees will avoid getting involved.

The attackers, one or both, may have experienced an assault and/or attempted rape in a restroom by a person dressed like a female. Doubtful, but possible.

The guy taking the video may be providing the police with the only possible means to identify the attackers. They may have to see it on FB or Utube...but it is available. On the other hand, the gang rape of a girl leaving a dance comes to mind...there were many who filmed that without assisting the victim.

Nasty situation no matter what.

[blondeatlast]

180. What point are you trying to make regarding point #2--is this a common occurrence?

Can you find evidence that such a thing ever happened? Even if so, there's no excuse whatsoever for two people ganging up on one. :wow:

[Violet_Crumble]

192. There's a difference between not getting involved and laughing at an attack...

Because the latter's what that now-sacked worker did. And as the policy at McDonalds over here is there's no usage of phones allowed except for breaks, I'd be shocked if it wasn't the same in the US. Using a phone to film an attack on an innocent person while laughing would surely be a breach of some policy or other, apart from the obvious fact that behaving like an arsehole who clearly used a brutal attack on another person as his own entertainment is bound to get him fired.

As for not getting involved? I'd very much like to see that policy, as I'm sure it wouldn't ban anything but physical involvement that could put the worker in danger. Calling the police, yelling at them to stop, trying to aid the victim are all things that don't involve physically getting into it with the attackers. Anyway, my daughter's scumbag manager seems to take that 'don't get involved' stuff and run with it. A few weeks ago she came home in tears because she was abused by a large guy who while screaming abuse at her reached across the counter and grabbed her arm. She was terrified and when her co-workers ran to get the manager, he refused to step in. He didn't do what all her previous managers have done when there's abusive customers in the store, which is threaten to call the police, and then carry through on it when they don't leave.

I don't really care what slightly slim possibility there is of those two attackers being attacked in the past. There's a slight chance that I may have been groped by some guy when I stood in line at McDonalds once, but that doesn't even start to justify or even explain it if I were to brutally attack a random man that just happens to stand in line behind me. See, attacks on women happen in many places, and I really don't understand why those two creatures in the video were so obsessed with the genitals of people who use the female toilets. Female toilets have cubicles, so who but extremely bigoted folk would care less if there's a penis in the cubicle next door...

[blondeatlast]

196. Thank you for a righteous, cogent, and deeply wise response.

:thumbsup:

[Violet_Crumble]

202. Thanks!

:)

[tblue37]

173. Wow, even the one employee who tried to stop them and separate them

from the victim walked right by her repeatedly without even looking to see if she was OK or to ask her if she needed help! He (and everyone else except the older woman) didn't even see her as human--he just didn't want the disturbance in his .(He seems to be the manager or an assistant manager).

I do believe, though, that that unfortunate woman is about to become very, very wealthy! I hope she lives the rest of her life in luxury, and that those nasty, evil creeps who beat her get convicted of atempted murder and any other serious crime they can be charged with.

[Zax2me]

179. What disgusting, worthless trash....

To do this to another person. And the person who shot the video - no less a miserable piece of trash.
What in the WORLD causes people to act this way?!
Not only to attack, but once disabled, to continue to hit and cause injury to a defenseless person.
Very disturbing footage.
So glad they got caught.

[closeupready]

187. This makes me feel violently ill.

nt

[TheBigotBasher]

191. Sickening

there is no way I could watch the video.

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/hate-crime-young-transgender-woman-beaten-into-seizure-mcdonalds/discrimination/2011/04/23/19177

[ZombieHorde]

198. "What's the responsibility of someone who's filming a crime?"

This is a freedom of the press issue. People should not arrested for recording crimes and then releasing the footage.

[Violet_Crumble]

201. It is not a freedom of the press issue. It's a fuckwit laughing as they film an attack issue...

Surely you can't have watched that video and not be absolutely sickened by the behaviour of that now-sacked McDonalds worker?

on edit: doesn't freedom of the press only apply to the media and not to every person who has a mobile phone with a camera?

[ZombieHorde]

204. "doesn't freedom of the press only apply to the media and notto every person who has a mobile phone"

Every person who posts original content on youtube is the media. We're a part of the media now.

Surely you can't have watched that video and not be absolutely sickened by the behaviour of that now-sacked McDonalds worker?

My emotional reaction doesn't matter. Whether or not the camera man enjoyed the brutality doesn't matter. I don't think we should punish people for recording violent crimes and releasing the footage to the public. Regardless of the camera man's character, his actions can be a great asset for the police trying to catch the two violent women.

[Violet_Crumble]

206. Sorry, but that's complete bullshit...

Posting a video on youtube does NOT make the person who posted it a member of the media. Otherwise youtube itself would be in a pile of shit for removing videos interprid members of the 'press' like the one in the OP post there. They don't hold a press card, and the whole concept of freedom of the press does not apply to the fuckwit who laughed as he recorded that brutal attack.

on edit - Actually, it matters a lot that you don't think it matters that the guy who recorded that was laughing at that brutal attack. Sorry, but I find it incredibly disturbing that anyone could not think that would matter at all...

[ZombieHorde]

207. I am using defintion two for the word "media."

me·di·a
1    /ˈmidiə/ Show Spelled Show IPA
–noun
1. a plural of medium.
2.( usually used with a plural verb ) the means of communication, as radio and television, newspapers, and magazines, that reach or influence people widely: The media are covering the speech tonight.
–adjective
3. pertaining to or concerned with such means: a job in media research.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/media

I think the internet fits in nicely with the examples listed in the definition. Some media has official membership, but I don't think the definition is for official groups only.

Sorry, but I find it incredibly disturbing that anyone could not think that would matter at all...

I forgive you.

[Violet_Crumble]

210. And freedom of the press refers to journalists...

It does not cover every single person who owns a phone with a camera. And while you said 'freedom of the press' in yr first post, now yr trotting out a generic definition of the word 'media'. I think you may be getting yrself a little bit confused. What exactly is it that you think yr arguing right now? Because it seems to have moved from the 'freedom of the press' argument you began with.

Not sure what you think yr forgiving me for, btw. As I said before, I find it incredibly disturbing that anyone would think that someone laughing at an attack happening in front of them doesn't matter at all. In fact, it's really creepy. Not only that people exist who laugh when watching acts of extreme violence on other people, but that there's people around who think it doesn't matter that they laugh at stuff like that...

on edit - While I don't think the employee who shot that footage of the attack should be charged with anything, he well and truly deserved to lose his job.

[ZombieHorde]

215. I am defining media as a foundation for when we discuss the definition of the press.

I am forgiving you because you said "sorry." Your reply seemed to be an apology for thinking I am disturbing. I know you are not really sorry, but I thought this interpretation was funny.

While I don't think the employee who shot that footage of the attack should be charged with anything, he well and truly deserved to lose his job.

Then we agree.

[Moondog]

203. Fucking animals.

[seabeyond]

212. trash youtube. lets all look at the trash and bring it into our world as a norm.

trash all the time.

[Orangepeel]

213. Victim of McDonald's beating speaks out, calls attack 'a hate crime'

Chrissy Lee Polis, a transgender woman brutally beaten at a Baltimore County McDonald's, spoke out on Saturday, saying that the attack was "definitely a hate crime" and that she's been afraid to leave the house ever since. A video of the incident shows two women — one of them a 14-year-old girl — repeatedly kicking and punching 22-year-old Polis in the head, as an employee of the Rosedale restaurant and a patron try to intervene. A Baltimore County McDonald's owner announced on Saturday afternoon that an employee who taped the violent beating of a customer — a video that went viral Friday — had been fired.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-mcdonalds-beating-20110423,0,3336656.story

[Skip Intro]

217. Don't think I'd have let the fact that I'm male stop me from punching those two *****es out cold.

:mad:

[Kalun D]

225. The Dumbing Down Of 'Merica

The camera was good in that it ran for the entire event, video evidence

The White victim was not smart for allowing herself to get in an argument with 2 Black women in a McD's with mostly Black employees, so probably a Black neighborhood.

the laughing and joking during the filming, this happens all the time in these neighborhoods, why is anyone surprised?, they are products of their environment.

McD's employees should be trained to minimize a situation like this, like temporarily locking the doors. The perps were outside more than once. But McD's doesn't deserve jack crap beyond the minumum from their employees because they don't pay jack crap.

[LisaL]

226. From what I saw, this appears to be a very one sided "arguing."

The victim was quite passive and barely defending herself.