Another surprise from Obama..

[INdemo]

Doesnt this sound like something Bush would agree with...When the smoke clears,once again it shows we are witnessing a Bush 3rd term.

Obama Says "It's Okay To Treat Manning The Way He's Been Treated Because He 'Broke The Law"

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110422/11513814002/obama-says-its-okay-to-treat-manning-way-hes-been-treated-because-he-broke-law.shtml

[cali]

1. uh, want to let us know what the fuckity fuck your post is about????

unrecced because your post is totally meaningless.

[Wilms]

3. Uh, the "*&%*^ - *&^*^" post is obviously about the Obama quote posted.

Then there's the clickity-click link for further reading.

Coffee time. :D

[cali]

4. uh, please note the edit.

link was added after I commented.

:hi:

[Wilms]

5. In that case, time for my SECOND cup!

:rofl:

[Jackpine Radical]

11. Link AND reference to Manning were added.

[JVS]

16. It's about how obscene language lets the terrorists win.

;-)

[Jackpine Radical]

2. Oh, gee, wow, you're right, just like Bush.

No substance.

[lamp_shade]

6. Ummmm... He broke the law. Duh!

[Zhade]

7. Allegedly. No trial yet. So torture is okay if the law is broken, then?

NT!

[Bluebear]

15. To that gang? Yes.

As long as dear leader says it's ok.

[NightWatcher]

9. So you're cool with violating his 5th, 6th, and 8th Amendment rights?

and you're cool with the Prez being cool with violating those same rights?

Fifth Amendment – due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, eminent domain.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Sixth Amendment – Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Eighth Amendment – Prohibition of excessive bail and cruel and unusual punishment.
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

[Historic NY]

12. Manning gets a military courts martial not a public trial.

[NightWatcher]

13. my bad, but he still gets a trial right? he also shouldnt be tortured right?

[Unvanguard]

8. That article says exactly what should be said about this issue:

Now, the folks who posted this are taking the biggest issue with Obama's statement of "he broke the law," pointing out that he hasn't been convicted of breaking any laws. I actually don't find that to be all that problematic. The government has charged him with breaking the law, so clearly it believes he has broken the law. Obama stating the same thing that his own Defense Department has stated doesn't seem that ridiculous.

But, that still doesn't excuse the treatment of Manning in any way, shape or form. I don't know for certain if he broke the law. But even if he did, he deserves to have a trial on the matter, and prior to that trial he shouldn't be held in conditions that much of the world considers to be torture. That's the key issue, and one not dealt with here.

The treatment of Bradley Manning is inexcusable. It would be inexcusable even if he had been convicted, but it is especially inexcusable given that he has not been convicted. That is the core issue here. Obama stating that Manning broke the law--which in all likelihood is true, and is in any case not at all unreasonable to believe--is not.

[iwishiwas]

10. Did you read the poll a few days ago stating that the majority of teens say torture

is an acceptable means of punishment? Whow, the young have been desensitized.

[truedelphi]

14. They have lived with close to ten full years of

Repressive propaganda.

No real discussion on the news.

Look at how Nine Eleven has been presented as the ultimate Terror Event - although the $ 100K prize for anyone able to prove how two buildings fell inside their footprint in under fourteen seconds has never been claimed.

Media says "This and that happened, here is what it means."

The meaning I got from Nine Eleven is that our nation spend thirty four billion bucks over twenty years on defense of our nation, and on the one day that it was needed, we didn't have a single decent response to the event. SO my take on Nine Eleven is to cut our defense spending in half - it doesn't seem to do any good.

But the "Official Take" is that we need more money for security and full body gropings at airports, and armies in two distant nations.

In my day, the law was discussed to the point that even Richard Nixon, one of the most infamous, law breaking Presidents up to his era, had to rescind his remarks on the Charlie Manson case, as those remarks might have made for a mistrial.