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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 08:44 AM
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What is the purpose of "government"?
http://blog.mises.org/6546/james-wilson-on-the-purpose-of-government-and-the-constitution/

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” … in a regulated society…The liberty of every member is increased…for each gains more by the limitation of the freedom of every other member, than he loses by the limitation of his own. The result is that civil government is necessary to the perfection and happiness of man.”

” … without a good government, liberty cannot exist.”

“Without liberty, law loses its nature and its name, and becomes oppression. Without law, liberty also loses its nature and its name, and becomes licentiousness.”

“The citizens of the United States… best pleased with that system of government which would best promote their freedom and happiness.”

” … in this government, liberty shall reign triumphant.”

......more
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 08:47 AM
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1. Succinctly, to serve the best interests of The People.
Not corporate personhood, but real people.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 08:52 AM
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2. I always thought it was to maintain the Social Contract
The social contract is the concept that human beings have made an agreement with their government, where the government and the people have distinct roles and responsibilities. The theory is based on the idea that humans abandoned a natural (free and ungoverned) condition in favor of a society that provides them with order, structure, and, very importantly, protection. We, the citizens, have responsibilities and the government have their responsibilities to uphold to maintain a balance and peace.

We agree to give up some "freedoms" (ie freedom to drive on the left side of the road at 100mph...) in order to have the rest of our activites protected by the government (ie protected from idiots driving 100 mph on the left side of the road)....

When one side fails to live up to their side of the "contract", I believe the contract becomes null and void.

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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 08:53 AM
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3. To protect the citizens from predators, both foreign and domestic.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 08:59 AM
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4. The main objectives of this government is to provide for the welfare of the uber-wealthy and large
international corporations and to exert global hegemony: it is there in a nutshell for all to see. :patriot:
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:03 AM
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6. I think we were writing at the same time. You hit the Post button first.
Ah, well…
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:18 AM
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9. Would it be something like great minds running on the same track?
Ha, ha! :patriot:
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:02 AM
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5. Easy question.
The purpose of government is to facilitate the transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich, which is to say, from those who produce the wealth to the parasites who sit atop them.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:05 AM
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7. To tell you how they are going to spend your money. n/t
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hansberrym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:12 AM
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8. Economic Decision-Making Is an Activity Subject to Congress’s Commerce Clause Power

Economic Decision-Making Is an Activity Subject to Congress’s Commerce Clause Power
Economic Decision-Making Is an Activity Subject to Congress’s Commerce Clause Power
Economic Decision-Making Is an Activity Subject to Congress’s Commerce Clause Power
Economic Decision-Making Is an Activity Subject to Congress’s Commerce Clause Power
Economic Decision-Making Is an Activity Subject to Congress’s Commerce Clause Power
Economic Decision-Making Is an Activity Subject to Congress’s Commerce Clause Power
Economic Decision-Making Is an Activity Subject to Congress’s Commerce Clause Power




It is not among the legitamate purposes of government to enslave us!
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discntnt_irny_srcsm Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:01 AM
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10. Within the US Constitution Preamble...
...are the purposes for which government exists:

1)"...in Order to form a more perfect Union..."
2)"...establish Justice..."
3)"...insure domestic Tranquility..."
4)"...provide for the common defence..."
5)"...promote the general Welfare..."
6)"...secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity..."

Most basically, all of the above are focused on number 6. From the Declaration of Independence:
"...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...".

One of the principals operating in the US is that of Judicial Supremacy. Unlike in the UK where Legislative Supremacy is the rule, laws enacted in the US may be Constitutionally challenged in court. Those found lacking become nullified.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:36 AM
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11. While I agree with most of your statement
I take issue with the first, which is a classic Circular fallacy - Circulus in demonstrando

Plainly stated, your assertion is this - 'Government exists in order to form a more perfect government'

'A' = a more perfect 'A' .... Obviously fallacious ...
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discntnt_irny_srcsm Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:50 AM
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12. Likewise....
...I take issue with that same statement on grammatical/logical issues.

Since a perfect union did/does/could not exist, referring to that union comparatively is rather a hyperbole.
From the sense of the founders and the writings of Madison, who drafted most of the document, I gather the intention was to provide a sense of continuity from the then current confederation to the proposed constitutional republic.
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discntnt_irny_srcsm Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:55 AM
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13. On a side note...
...concerning your corollary, "Government exists in order to form a more perfect government", elected and appointed officials who work toward that end need to be dismissed. ;-)
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:03 AM
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14. To keep us safe from things like marijuana
Thank GAWD!!!!!!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:05 AM
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15. "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one
Thomas Paine
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discntnt_irny_srcsm Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:47 AM
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17. "Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities...
...because it is the quality which guarantees all others." Churchill
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:08 AM
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16. Control
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