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babsbunny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:55 PM Original message |
Obama Proclaims Manning Guilty Before He Has Been Tried. This Violates Manning's right |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. WTF?! |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 10:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
26. Yep, yesterday. |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
2. But Obama is a lawyer, he can't accuse a man of guilt when he has had no trial. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
34. when clinton was running for president he was kicked around for |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:20 AM Response to Reply #2 |
46. His administration accused him of guilt when it CHARGED HIM FOR THE CRIMES. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #46 |
75. for which he remains INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.... |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #46 |
126. Charging not the same as saying he's guilty. Many here trying to spin it. n/t |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
49. So, tell me what you think prosecutors do. |
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axollot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:26 PM Response to Reply #49 |
144. They show evidence - the onus of proving guilt is on the state. You |
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MrMickeysMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
69. He was also a Constitutional Professor... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
76. Umm... not only can he do that, that's his job (nt) |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #76 |
122. LOL |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #76 |
162. yes indeed and anyone with dictatorial ambitions would say the same. nt |
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BOHICA12 (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
146. If the Attorney General can declare a man quilty .... |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
3. Obama the campaigner at it again |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
4. Why would anyone be surprised about this? |
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Terra Alta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
5. Shame on Obama. |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Can someone say "lawsuit"?? n/t |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. Ouch |
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crickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
7. A Constitutional scholar ought to know better. |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
121. I think he does, but didn't John Kerry lose from being too smart? |
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crickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #121 |
149. No one was asking Obama to "dare to defend" Manning. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
8. He's the CIC and thus Manning's boss, and the boss of the jury members at the trial |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:05 AM Response to Reply #8 |
40. LOL. Your argument would be laughed right out of the legal system. |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 04:47 AM Response to Reply #40 |
55. That's Called |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 04:51 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Are you saying that the president can't have an opinion, or if he has one, he can't speak it? n/t |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #56 |
102. Only Saying |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #102 |
119. "the person that heads... the prosecution... doesn't go around declaring someone guilty..." |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #119 |
139. okay |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #139 |
145. You'd have to ask Tommy Vietor that question. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #56 |
163. Certainly not in his capacity as president he can't , but that is exactly what he did. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Deleted message |
inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #60 |
84. "while running around with your pants around your ankles" - huh? WTF are you even babbling about? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #84 |
107. Its a figure of speech. Obviously. |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. Nonsensical |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #111 |
118. Whos confused? You are spouting off bullshit about democracy having been violated. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #118 |
165. self delete |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #111 |
166. +1 nt |
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neoralme (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #60 |
127. You're the one wrong, and who would be laughed out of the legal system. Obama |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #55 |
77. Actually that question has nothing to do with "democracy" |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #77 |
93. He is, however, the judges' boss. |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:07 PM Response to Reply #77 |
106. Get REAL |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #40 |
62. I'm not a lawyer, I'm just trying to make sense of this. So Obama as the CIC, the superior officer |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #40 |
64. Yes you have it exact....one of the first and most necessary laws of fascism. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #40 |
72. Better check the laws of grammar afore ye spout convenient and personally tailored |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #72 |
103. sorry posted in wrong place |
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trud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
80. phleshdef |
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trud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #40 |
81. phleshdef |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
173. In fairness, |
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BadGimp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
9. What if.... |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:30 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Well, I suppose Obama may be trying to free Manning this way via mistrial. |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Well at least |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Now if he had already shown similar moves on other issues there might be cause... |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
110. As pollyanna might say, I just know there is a pony somewhere in this pile of crap |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
14. knr - "we are a nation of laws" - at least for some ... |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
117. +1 Love Greenwald. nt |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
15. How does that violate his rights? |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Read the link ... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Obama is the Supreme Commander of the judges and the jury in this case.. |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. no he's not.... |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. He's not the CIC? He's not the President of the USA? |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:04 AM Response to Reply #22 |
39. It's his Job |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
78. Actually, his job as chief LEO is to say "I think this man is guilty" |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. But in his job as Commander in Chief, his job should be to remain silent on his guilt or innocence |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #86 |
123. The presiding officers are under orders to give Manning a presumption of innocence under... |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #78 |
94. He is NOT the chief LEO. But he is the boss of the prosecutors. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:39 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. The President is not the nation's chief LEO? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. Like, when the Constitution was written? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #105 |
116. Really? The Constitution declares people innocent until proven guilty? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:37 PM Response to Reply #116 |
154. WTF do you think half the Bill of Rights is? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 08:33 AM Response to Reply #154 |
160. That didn't answer my question |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:09 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. And the update ... |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Obama has tainted the jury pool. Q.E.D. - n/t |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Yes, he is guilty - end of story. n/t |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:10 AM Response to Reply #18 |
41. THE |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #18 |
65. wow, almost as good as saying " the statement was not meant to be factual" |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. You're kidding right? Obama is the boss of the judges in this case |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:01 AM Response to Reply #15 |
38. It doesn't. People are making shit up. |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:11 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. That's Why |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:14 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Of course he'd retract it. He typically does whenever people whine over stupid shit like this. |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:54 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Yeah |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:58 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Obama is more authentic than you. |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 04:23 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. There is No Justice |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Blah, blah, a bunch of tired, regurgitated talking points that I'm not gonna bother reading. |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #59 |
97. IOW |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 04:38 AM Response to Reply #45 |
53. I thought |
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AlabamaLibrul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #45 |
125. Some believe in principle and start "whining" no matter who says stupid shit nt |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
21. automatic acquittal or overturn on appeal. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
79. Nope. Law enforcement officers like the President not only *can* say they think someone is guilty... |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
23. Video - Obama - Manning broke the law..." |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
88. And folks in the Bush administration released top secret information |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #88 |
152. Yes and the Bush torture program, breaking the FISA laws, no justice there. n/t |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
128. Obama seems to have a critical lack of understanding regarding the Pentagon Papers |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 10:51 PM Response to Reply #128 |
153. He certailny does not people to associate Manning with Ellsberg ... |
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Zax2me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
25. Wait - if he didn't do it - what is he a hero for? |
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hardcover (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 11:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. :thumbsup: |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
89. But we haven't seen any evidence yet, so we don't really know what |
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webDude (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
136. When Obama ends extroidinary rendition, Guantanemo, the term: "Enemy... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:55 AM Response to Reply #25 |
33. It's called undue command influence and it's a violation of the UCMJ. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #33 |
67. +1and reality pokes its meddlesome head up in the wanton cesspool of delusion and lost common sense. |
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Moondog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #33 |
70. Ding, ding, ding -- we have a winner! At last, someone |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
131. Here, give it your best shot! 2008 Courts Martial Manual. Rule 104. Unlawful command influence. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #131 |
147. You link a 981 pg PDF file as a rebuttal to EFerrari? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #147 |
148. I cited the rule number. The actual rule probably doesn't take up a whole page. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 04:19 AM Response to Reply #25 |
156. It is not a question of whether he is guilty or innocent. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
29. No trial necessary. Obama declares him guilty. So very efficient. No messy trial shit. nm |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
30. If only people would have worked this hard for the 2010 elections |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:30 AM Response to Reply #30 |
48. So, you can't respond to the actual subject. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 09:06 AM Response to Reply #48 |
57. Oh I have responded. My opinion on this matter is not very popular here. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
31. I guess Obama's healthcare system isn't the only thing he stole from Nixon |
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Gravel Democrat (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
32. ^^^ Constitutional Scholar? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
35. Kick! |
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annm4peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:49 AM Response to Original message |
36. It is the Pentagon and the Corporations who run the county |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:59 AM Response to Original message |
37. I'm sure the idiotic whining over this would be fun if I could dig up some Scooter Libby threads. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:12 AM Response to Original message |
43. Right, because no one had ANY idea that the admin believed Manning broke the law until now. |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 04:45 AM Response to Reply #43 |
54. the only problem with that is |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 09:52 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. "the only problem with that is" absolutely nothing. |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #54 |
71. Yeah.. that must be it... |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #71 |
99. Pathetic Strawman |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #99 |
108. So was that a no? |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #108 |
113. My Post |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
100. And of course, if someone is arrested he MUST be guilty. |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #100 |
114. ++++++1000 |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:13 AM Response to Original message |
44. The Bush Boy Was the Dumbest President Ever |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:28 AM Response to Original message |
47. Constitutional Scholar. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #47 |
135. Are you talking about Obama? And how he got elected..or someone different? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
58. It's going to be interesting. |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
63. k&r |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
66. But he broke the law and he's a traitor. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. Or was that hoof'n mouth moment a glimpse into the real |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. Exact;ly -- this isn't the way a lawyer's mind should work -- at all--!!! |
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libmom74 (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #66 |
85. Most progressives |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:03 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Emanuel openly supported, courted and recruited pugs to run as dems. |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #66 |
92. nothing "poorly chosen" there. everything he says is calculated. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
68. Military Justice: "Lead the guilty man in for a fair trial and sentencing." |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. +1 excellent nt |
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shellgame26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
83. FAIL |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. on your part |
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shellgame26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. If that makes you feel better |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
87. Yes. As I recall, in the Plame case, the rumor was that someone |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #87 |
109. Another Posibility |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #109 |
129. Err... how do you figure? |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #129 |
140. It's a war crime |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #129 |
143. Technically, he got that idea from the same place you are getting yours: conjecture. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:47 PM Response to Reply #129 |
155. If he knew of a war crime, he was duty bound to report it. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 08:18 AM Response to Reply #155 |
159. What crime was contained in several gigabytes of embassy documents? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #159 |
164. He was originally arrested for releasing the tape of the murder of |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 04:20 AM Response to Reply #109 |
157. His lawyer is supposed to defend him. Manning is not supposed to have to |
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on point (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
96. Bush et al have ADMITTED breaking torture law. Why are they not arrested?? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #96 |
151. Our leaders are above the law. Any law they choose to disobey or ignore. |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
98. Interestingly |
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Eljo_Don (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
104. Truth |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
112. I have no problem with Obama being entitled to his own opinion |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #112 |
115. ++++++1000 |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #112 |
120. +1 And now a few words from earth. nt |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
124. New boss. Old boss. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #124 |
133. It's hard to be "bad off" about Obama compared to Bush II...but he's really getting OTT..n/t |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #124 |
161. Good boss, bad boss. The game is afoot....oh wait, they are the same |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
130. Nobody can ever be forced to accept a security clearance |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
132. If the President of the United States says you broke the law, how can |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #132 |
134. WHY...would a President of the USA..ever go after Bradley Manning..in the first place... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #134 |
138. Seriously? |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:14 PM Response to Reply #138 |
141. I am SERIOUS here. Manning is a Whistle Blower and given Obama's Campaign |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 02:03 PM Response to Reply #138 |
169. Alegedly he exposed a video of the unbeliebably ruthless murder of 9 people including two |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #169 |
172. Correction: That should read "the video" Not "a video" |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #134 |
170. And that is the scary part of this entire fascist debacle. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #132 |
137. Guess what: if you're indicted on Federal charges, the President says you broke the law |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #137 |
142. But, Bush II violated ALL LAWS...and we worked hard as Dems to get what he'd done |
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crickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #142 |
150. +1000000 |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 04:24 AM Response to Reply #142 |
158. :APPLAUSE: |
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BobbyBoring (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #142 |
167. Standing Ovation! |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #142 |
168. It ends when we get a primary challenger and replace the bludogs |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #142 |
171. Be quiet now. You can't expect moral indignity to invade the church. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:25 AM Response to Original message |
174. Yes he did, now when wil that be proven in a court of law? |
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