Most Mississippi Republicans still upset over Civil War’s outcome, poll finds

[Playinghardball]

Source: Raw Story
By David Edwards

The Civil War has been over for almost 150 years, but many southerners are still upset over the outcome.

A recent survey (PDF) by the Democratic-affiliated Public Policy Polling survey found that less than half of the voters in North Carolina and Mississippi were glad that the North had won the war.

In North Carolina, 48 percent were happy the North won, while 21 percent wished the South had prevailed.

At 27 percent, even more of those polled in Mississippi were unhappy about the war's outcome. Only 34 percent there approved of the North's win.

More at: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/04/26/most-mississippi-republicans-still-upset-over-civil-wars-outcome-poll-finds/

[CTyankee]

1. Is there any legitimate reason for thinking the confederacy should have won?

I mean, does anyone HERE think there is a legitimate reason? Personally, I think they were traitors to the United States, period, the end.

[TheWraith]

39. No.

There is no rational or legitimate reason to think such.

[Rage for Order]

2. You mean the War of Northern Aggression

:)

[Manifestor_of_Light]

7. You mean when S Carolina started firing on Fort Sumter??

Students from The Citadel?

[Rage for Order]

10. Had the Yankees retreated to north of the Mason Dixon line the shooting wouldn't have been necessary

Damn occupier aggressors

[NutmegYankee]

30. I'm not sure how one "occupies" his own land.

The fort was federal property prior to secession, and was still federal property after.

[reggie the dog]

37. why should we have retreated from our own country?

it was you in the south who could not accept democratic elections and decided to get agressive. were we supposed to just sit there and lose our agricultural base? lose our cotton and hemp for textiles??? lose our rice and sugar??? and for what?? so you could have been taken over by the english, spanish, french or mexicans?

[era veteran]

19. Drunken rich boys that sat out the war providing coastal

defense to Charleston. That never is mentioned.

[jwirr]

23. Curious about why you mention the Citadel? My niece was the first

black woman to graduate from there. I know they teach a pretty southern version of history including modern history but what are you saying?

[NoGOPZone]

34. Officers and cadets from the Citadel were involved in both

the Battle of Fort Sumter and the Star of the West incident which preceded it.

http://www.citadel.edu/citadel-history/brief-history.html

[jwirr]

35. Thank you. No wonder my niece came out of there such a rethug.

It has taken us a long time to get her to open her eyes.

[Blue_Tires]

3. Kinda meaningless...I still wish the Romans held on to Constantinople...

History doesn't change...

[yellerpup]

4. Mississippi has ranked last in education since the

Civil War.

[damntexdem]

5. Just more proof that they were let off way too easy in 1877.

[hifiguy]

24. Indeed

The Japanese and Germans became peaceful global citizens following WWII because Truman, Ike and MacArthur made damned sure that they knew they had been totally defeated and that ideologies of that sort would under no circumstances be tolerated again. Lincoln's Second Inaugural ("with malice towards none, etc") showed no such determination to punish aggression and make the aggressors face the evil nature of their deeds. The Confederacy should have been forcibly occupied for at least 25-40 years following the war's end.

[Tesha]

28. We're actually seeing this play out again in miniature.

Obama came into office and immediately gave all the
illegal activities of the previous administration
a complete and total "pass". And as a result, the
Republicans are certainly "rising (yet) again".

When the good guys win, they shouldn't let the
bad guys "get away with it".

Tesha

[cpwm17]

43. That's terrible

Governments don't own the people. If the South didn't want to be part of the US, then the US Government should have let them go. We would have been better off. It certainly would have saved many lives.

The slaves obviously would have been worse off. Southerners had no right to "own" the slaves. Southern culture sucked. They can still be self centered and intolerant (when I'm in the South I've learned mostly to avoid unnecessary contact with the people, it turns out better for me) but I shouldn't over generalize.

If you think that the US Government had any right to occupy the South for 25-40 years then you have no idea what freedom is. Once a government treats the people it has control over like a foreign enemy, it then has lost all rights to govern.

[Sonoman]

6. When I was a kid in E Texas ('50's) it was closer to 100%

My family still provides housing and income for descendants of the people who worked those farms all those years ago.

Sonoman

[Manifestor_of_Light]

11. they are still mad.

I live in East Texas and the white folks are still mad that they lost.

The other day I went to the post office and a white guy about 40 was working the counter. He was talking and said "I can't stand HIM". I didn't know what he was talking about. Later after i got home I figured he was talking about Obama and refuses to say his name.

That is how the white folks are around here. All of them, just about. There are a few white Democrats. Very few.

They want to go back even further to the Republic of Texas.

That lasted from 1836 when we had our War of Independence against Mexico, until 1845 when we joined the Union. And there were more skirmishes with the Mexicans in 1848.

Governor Goodhair wants to secede. Texas can't secede but it can break up into four or five states, I believe.

I have a land grant dated 1845 from the Republic of Texas, signed by Anson Jones, last president of the Republic, that I found in the attic.

Anson Jones thought that Sam Houston was blocking his political career. he hated Sam Houston.
So he went to the capital of Texas which at the time was on Texas Avenue in downtown Houston, where the Rice Hotel is now, and blew his brains out. He is buried in Glenwood Cemetery in Houston (resting place of the rich and famous like Howard Hughes and Gene Tierney).

[Sonoman]

14. My family settled in what is now Angelina County in 1630.

We were there for almost everything that happened in Texas.

Still are.

But I headed West when I got tired of dealing with cattle.

Sonoman

[Manifestor_of_Light]

20. My maternal grandparents came here from MS after WW I.

They were extension agents who went to Mississippi A&M, so they were far more educated than the average.
They became Extension Agents with Texas A&M.

I'm in houston Co.
I grew up in houston so it's really tough. Gardening keeps me out of trouble.

Houston co. finally got voted wet recently. You can buy beer and wine at the Stop 'N' Rob stores.

[KeepItReal]

8. As Louisiana-born descendant of slaves, those Miss. GOP'ers know what they can do.

and get over it.

[xchrom]

9. Mississippi is welcome to have another go at it.

Maybe that will get the troops out of the middle east.

[Tesha]

29. If they wanted to secede again, *WHY ON EARTH* would we try to stop them this time?

All our national averages could only improve if
MS hit the road.

Tesha

[xchrom]

31. That much is true.

We are a union - however - and Mississippi really needs to figure that out.

Civil rights and all that.

[Keith Bee]

41. Texas too!

:bounce:

[Very_Boring_Name]

42. alabama and georgia as well

[Poboy]

12. 'Most Mississippi Republicans are racist POS' -nt

[PVnRT]

13. We should've left them Mississippi as a rump state

[MineralMan]

15. No comment. Mississippi is one of two states I will never

set foot on. The other is Alabama. I've been in both, many years ago, and will never return to either for any reason. It's a moral issue with me now.

[reggie the dog]

21. i have had problems in alabama twice but am going back this

summer, going camping in the woods near talledaga doing lots of backroads driving

[MineralMan]

22. I was in Mississippi and Alabama in 1965.

I drove there, just 19 years of age, to hear Dr. King speak in Birmingham. What I saw in both states led me to vow never to return. Much of Louisiana was no better, but New Orleans sort of balanced things a little.

Things may have changed slightly in MS and AL, but I will not return to either. I doubt they have changed enough or sincerely. I can't even begin to describe my reaction to those states in 1965. It was visceral and life-changing.

[reggie the dog]

36. i am white but have long hair like my dad

on 2 occasions local whites have started shit with us for having long hair and being from the north. when they get close enough to see the vietnam vet patches on my dad's jacket they seem to get a bit perplexed. In Mississippi we never had any problems from the local white people, they were actually friendly. In Louisiana outside of new orleans we get lots of trouble from white people who dont like our look. the easy solution is to go to the black towns or black sides of town to stop for lunch and gas. the black people in all these states were normal with us.

[jwirr]

26. Voter registration activist?

[MineralMan]

33. No, just a 19 year old kid who dropped out of college and

heard that Dr. King would be giving a speech in Birmingham. So, I drove from California to hear him. That speech changed my entire outlook, and led to many changes in my life. I didn't get to march across the bridge, but I heard Dr. King.

[Rebubula]

16. Don't fool yourself...

...many MS Democrats are still upset by the war.


It is a Southern thing...I am Southern, but have no understanding of this stupidity. In my opinion, things that happened 150 years ago - Happened 150 years ago.

[Poboy]

17. These people are actually PO'd that they cannot lynch, beat up and intimidate

its an ugly sick mentality. I know a few of these fuckers.

[FiveGoodMen]

18. We should have just let them go.

[jwirr]

27. I agree but I seem to remember that Harry Truman once said that

if they had won the Russians would have ended up occupying the NE area of the US. My memories are vague and I am interested if anyone actually knows what Harry was talking about.

However, I would have hated to think of the slavery that would have continued if we did not win.

[EstimatedProphet]

25. I spent 7 years interred there for grad school

This does not surprise me one bit. Starkville is a giant continually-running Tennessee Williams play.

[fishwax]

32. wow, only 39% of Mississippi Republicans believe that interracial marriage should be legal

41% think it should be illegal and 19% are "not sure."

[moondust]

38. Yes, slavery was so......profitable!

No doubt many would return to owning slaves today if they could, crimes against humanity notwithstanding.

[Codeine]

40. The inevitable result of traitors left unpunished. nt

[SoCalDem]

44. Silly silly poll.. ANY poll taken in the region that LOST

will find a preponderance of respondents who wished things had turned out differently.

Racial animus tends to be an "inherited" tendency as well..Subsequent generations build upon what came before them, and in areas where "old-timey culture/heritage/etc" continues to be re-enacted after 150+ years, I am not surprised at all..

[pstokely]

45. Isn't a lot of the South filled with Yankee transplants?

nt