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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 06:26 PM
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Good reasons why Obama may want to make real changes.
Edited on Tue Apr-26-11 06:27 PM by Cal33
It's just quite possible that from now on Obama and his crew will not only be
talking tougher, but also acting it -- for real. My reasons are as follows:

Since Obama declared his running for a second term, he simply has to follow
his words with deeds. There is no other choice for him. He knows that a lot
of Liberals are mad at and have become alienated from him (I still partly am),
and that he has to win them back. F.i., the statement he made that the oil
companies are going to be investigated about the recent big jump in oil prices,
and Atty. Gen. Holder was going to do it. I believe the chances are that this
investigation is going to be a genuine and thorough one, because Obama wants
to win his second term -- if for no other reason.

Obama will be working hard, I think, to win back the good graces of the Liberals
whom he had mosly ignored the past 2+ years. And he has another 18 months to go
before Nov. 2012. That's a long way off! He knows he has to both talk and act
tougher to win. Whatever he says he'll do, he will do, if it can be done in a
year and a half. He'll simply have to carry out what he says, if he hopes to
win the election. Promises about the more distant future, of course,
will have to wait until the time comes.

So, the chances of his really changing and becoming tougher seem to be pretty
good -- if for no other reason than this would be the best way, if not the only
way, for him to win a second term. And once he does win his second term, he has
only 4 years of political life left. If he continues to do poorly, there will be
no other chances for him to make good again -- ever. He's finished! On the other
hand, if he really changes from now on, he has a lot to gain.

I'm betting on his wanting to be considered by history as one of the great American
presidents. He has enough time (almost 6 years counting from now) to change and
really succeed at it. He could always say that for 2+ years he had tried his best
to bring the two major parties together in a bi-partisanship, even bending over
backwards to do so, but the Repubs. would have none of it. So there was no other
way for the Dems. to go but go it alone, and fighting them.

For all I know, this might even have been a part of his original planning all along.
(I'm guessing, of course, but who can say for sure? Only he knows).
I also tend to forget what an awful job Obama has in cleaning up after the
8-year mess of Bush's mismanagement. Only those who are working there can really
appreciate how much it prevents them from working more effectively.

When he won the election in 2008, Obama had his plans of how to carry out
what he intendeded to do as president. These how-to-carry-out methods depended not
only on his own wishes. A lot also depended upon the already existing political
circumstances in which he found himself, and which were NOT OF HIS OWN DOING and
were changing all the time, but which, nevertheless, had to be dealt with. Can
we appreciate how much adjusting and re-adjusting of his methods in carrying out
his plan he had and has to make, then change and remake, over and over again?
And the Neocons are there to make sure that he never succeeds in anything he
wants to accomplish. That's their style.

I still haven't completely given up the hope that Obama has plans up his
sleeve. One reason is, unlike Bush, he is a highly intelligent man. Maybe,
according to the way he sees it, he has to look bad -- even look very bad
first -- before he can overcome the mountains of difficulties, and then to
triumph in the end, in spite of them all? We can only guess at his difficulties.
But he has to deal with them, and he can only deal with them according to his own
lights. I hope the above is true, but I realize that this might also represent
wishful thinking on my part.

There are people who think Obama might have plans for making big money after
his presidency is over, and a good way is to pal up with the corporations. I
think Obama is already financially well-off, even right now. His two best-seller
books were written long before he became president. Like Clinton, he is
an exceptionally good speaker, and also like Clinton, he is very popular abroad.
He'll be invited to speak, both at home and abroad, at $250,000 a clip
(or whatever the going-rate will be in the future). He already
has two best-sellers under his belt, just think of the books he could be writing
after his presidency! I personally think he doesn't even need the Repub.
corporations to make big money. His financial future is already secured.

It's really quite possible that Obama's declaration of running for a second
term could be the STARTING POINT OF HIS BIG CHANGE because, in his opinion,
the right timing for it is now. I sure hope I'm right. It's the only sensible
thing for him to do, if he wants to go down in history as one of the great
American presidents. And he does have time enough to do it in, too. If he wins
he'll have five-and-a-half years.

We can all be very alert and just look at what changes he'll be making between
now and November, 2012 -- not just at one, but at all of them -- and then make
up our minds.

I think that all is not lost. I believe there is good reason for hope. Just be
alert and watch how things turn out -- beginning with the oil company
investigation that is about to start any day. I can't believe that he would
deliberately cook up this as a farce just to win votes. In fact, this would
cause him to lose them. A G.W.Bush he is not!

Yes, my opinions waiver back and forth, a lot of it depending on the political
winds of change. And it's happening to many of us. Who can know for sure?
These are very interesting, but troubled and highly dangerous times.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 06:30 PM
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1. LOLOLOL!
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

It is apparent that Obama has dismissed the idea that he actually has to please his liberal base, or get back in their good graces. He doesn't need their money, since he is now hitting up his corporate masters to cushion his warchest. As far as votes goes, he is going to rely on that old motivator of fear, who would you rather see in office, a rabid RW radical like (insert scary name here), or me, who will at least give you a good speech and a sunny smile before a screw you over.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 06:48 PM
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5. Will there be dinner and drinks first?...n/t
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 06:51 PM
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6. Yeah, but you're picking up the tab, n/t
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 06:51 PM
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7. so your saying he should be seeking money from the very people who keep saying
we don't plan to donate money to your campaign, we might grudgingly support you with our vote but you won't get any money or help winning aside from that? then there is the other section that thinks NOT voting or writing in a name is better then voting for him.

That makes perfect sense to me if he wants to be reelected.
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 11:29 AM
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15. It's odd, especially when Obama already is a multi-millionaire because
of his two best-seller books, and the opportunities for him to make
many more millions through speeches and further books as ex-president
are boundless. He doesn't need the corporations. He can make it
on his own as Clinton is doing. Both of them are excellent speakers.
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 05:59 AM
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12. Obama has already made his millions with his two best=sellers.
He'll be making a lot more after his terms of office with speeches and book-writing.
He needs none from the corporations. If he wanted their money, it would be dumb of
him to investigate the oil companies' recent jack-up of oil prices. Have you the
patience to see how this investigation turns out?
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 07:54 AM
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13. As I have said in another post in this thread "Be patient. Wait and see." Here is another
little positsive sign: Defense Sec'y Gates (a Repub.) has been replaced
by Obama with Leon Panetta (a Dem.).

Let's see if there will be more of such little changes in the coming days.
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 08:24 AM
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14. And another little positive sign yesterday, Obama fired off a letter to congressional leaders,
urging them to eliminate giving subsidies and tax-breaks to oil companies:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/157895-seeing-opening-white-house-pounces-on-boehners-words-

Two little positive signs in one day (that I know of). Not bad at all.
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 06:38 PM
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2. Okay!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 06:42 PM
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3. Let the music speak for progressives
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 06:45 PM
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4. Your message reads like someone covering for the perpetrator in an abusive relationship.
With politicians it's fuck or walk.

Now if he was somebody's kid, maybe in trouble with the law or having problems in school and just needed another chance...well, I'd look on the matter much differently.

But he's not. We gave him the presidency and he gave us...this. I think you're just fooling yourself. I sure did. And then I just could not make any more excuses for his choices. Sam Seder nailed it on Nov 15, 2010:
"Is this a quesiton of him compromising too much or at the end of the day, is this his agenda, and he actually is playing this 11, uh, 14-dimensionsional chess, it's just that we don't realize that's his agenda. I mean, who knows? And ultimately from a Progressive point of view, at the end of the day it's starting not to matter.

I mean, at one point Progressives are going to pivot from trying to convince Obama from doing what Obama feels is right, despite himself, to "Obama doesn't, isn't necessarily on our side, regardless of what we may have thought and we've got to actually start to make a design, a plan, to force him to do what we want with the presumption that it's not what he wants to do."


I think it likely that at some point you will just have to consider the thought that Sam outlines in the excerpt above.

PB
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 07:10 PM
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9. My own thinking is that I'd wait awhile and see -- beginning with how
the oil company investigation goes. Just observe that as well as
if he is not only talking tougher, but also showing it in his
actions. It won't take long now to see if there is any real change.

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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 08:24 PM
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10. If he remains the way he has been the past two years, Sam Seder
might have a point. But I'd wait a while first. I think the
coming months are crucial. If he wants to win in 2012, he'd
have to change. So I'd suggest to wait and see.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 06:57 PM
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8. Let's hope for the best. nt
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 09:58 PM
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11. Yes. It would be a pity if Obama would not use this last chance
to take a stab at becoming the great president that he might be capable
of being -- the type of president that this country of ours has not seen in
over two generations, and is so terribly much in need of. We are sinking
into a moral abyss deeper than any we have ever known before.
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