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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 07:05 PM
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Florida's faith-based education, provided by corporations who get tax breaks. Defunds public schools
Florida's needy can send their children to private religious schools with the help of a voucher fund paid for by corporations. Those corporations receive a dollar for dollar tax credit, which can be up to 75% of their state income tax liability.

Good for the parents who want their kids in private religious schools. Great for the corporations who get huge tax breaks. Terrible for the public schools who will be losing tens of millions this year alone because of those tax breaks.

The courts have said public taxpayer money should not go to private religious schools, so this is a way to get the money to the private schools...let the corporations do it. There are also McKay Corporate Vouchers for children with disabilities to go to private schools.

Hernando families praise school vouchers


(WILL VRAGOVIC Times)
Ariana Blevins, 8, a second-grader who attends West Hernando Christian School, takes a break and talks about her experiences at school while her mother, Christine, left, looks on Wednesday.


Evans reads the next word, "were," and then uses it in a sentence: "Were you there when they crucified my Lord?"

...It's a timely example, two days before Good Friday. The classroom walls are adorned with colorful placards on the same theme: In Christ, all things are made new, reads one. Jesus is alive, proclaims another.

These are the telltale signs of the faith-based education that Jeff and Kimberly Pasmore say they are glad their son is able to receive — and that they wouldn't be able to afford without the help they get from the state. The missionaries from Spring Hill have a meager income, but use the Florida Tax Credit Scholarship Program to cover the roughly $3,600 annual tuition.


A spokesperson for the Florida Education Association points out that public schools must hold their students accountable.

In an era when the state places so much emphasis on the results of the Florida Comprehensive Assessment Test, private schools aren't held accountable to ensure all students are meeting benchmarks, Pudlow said.

"They get to set their own curriculum, and the government says, 'Here's your money, good luck,'" he said.


If Rick Scott gets his way only in part, taxpayer money will be given to parents for each child instead of to the public schools. It appears an expanded school voucher plan is moving along in the Florida legislature. He calls it an Education Savings Account.

Expanded school voucher plan advances in Florida Senate

The bill, SB 1550, would let parents use state taxpayer money to pay for their children to attend private schools, including religious ones. The savings account money could also pay for homeschooling or tutoring services or college-savings plans. An identical House measure has not come up for a vote yet.

If the savings accounts were in effect this year, they would be worth about $3,100 each, the Senate estimated.

The concept for the new, and expansive, choice plan was devised by the Goldwater Institute in Arizona as a way to offer parents options outside public schools but meet the constitutional problems of earlier school-voucher programs.

Florida’s first private-school voucher program was struck down by the state supreme court in 2006. The court said the program violated state requirements for a “uniform” public school system and diverted “public dollars into separate private systems.”


Also such vouchers were ruled unconstitutional in 2002 and 2004.

Scott later said he would wait until next year to push this idea.

The Orlando Sentinel hits this plan hard, saying it will weaken the public school system.

Weaker public schools would be the familiar result of new universal voucher scheme

Then, like an offering to Caesar, Sen. Joe Negron, a Stuart Republican, presented Senate Bill 1550. His "GI bill for kids" would put school choice in parents' hands through "education savings accounts." Parents could tap state taxpayer dollars to cover private school (including sectarian schools) or homeschooling needs, or fund pre-paid college plans.

Shades of Jeb Bush, but with a makeover meant to pass the constitutional test where Bush's 2006 Florida voucher plan failed.

...."Negron's bill would cover vouchers by siphoning off 40 percent of what the state spends on each public school student, which would have amounted to about $3,100 per student this year. Some of the remaining money the state would have spent on public schooling for voucher kids would go into an education savings account lottery for kids currently in private or home schools.

Five years ago, the state Supreme Court rightly struck down the Opportunity Scholarship Program, Florida's first attempt at private-school vouchers. The court ruled it violated state provisions for "uniform" public school system. And it diverted "public dollars into separate private systems."


In Broward County the public schools are already suffering from the loss of tax money while the private schools are getting the benefit.

Broward private schools benefit from Florida vouchers, while public schools are strapped for funds.

First the article points out that about a quarter of the students in private schools are on vouchers, and most of these schools are religious ones.

"The Broward school with the biggest number of voucher students — 169 of its 361 enrollment — is Nur Ul Islam Academy in Cooper City, which has received about $694,000 from the state. The second biggest beneficiary is Phyl's Academy Preparatory School in Lauderdale Lakes. Vouchers helped pay tuition for 132 of its 356 students, for a total of about $542,000."

This program gives tax relief to corporations who help students go to these private schools. It takes money that would have gone to public schools via taxes and gives it to private schools which are not required to hired certified teachers and not required to meet state academic standards.


And about that 31 million loss of tax payments to public schools in 2011? That will expand in future years to about 228 million.

The program allows corporations that make contributions deduct those gifts from their corporate income and insurance premium taxes. Economists expect the expansion would cost the state $31 million in lost taxes next year and as much as $228 million in future years – although those losses would be offset somewhat because taxpayers would pay less for students in the program than if they were attending public schools.

.."Tax-credit vouchers are funded with corporate donations, but it's money that otherwise would have been paid in state taxes. About 100 companies donated last year, including Walgreen Co., Burger King, ABC Liquors and Bankers Insurance Group. The average contribution is $1 million, East said.

Private schools that take vouchers must give students a standardized test — not the FCAT — but schools aren't graded and scores are released only for schools with at least 30 students.


I guess I am glad that the families are enjoying a private religious school. However there will be a price to pay for that in the harm being done to public schools by defunding them.

If Scott and the legislature decide to override the courts, it could be tax money being given directly to students to go to the school of their choice. That would mean the destruction of Florida's public schools.

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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 07:07 PM
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1. "Ha ha." - Corporatists (R)
Edited on Tue Apr-26-11 07:08 PM by SpiralHawk
eom
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 07:10 PM
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2. I always figure vouchers are really a tax break for people who can already afford public school
A few years ago the average cost for private school was $18,000. A voucher is usually less than $6000. So a voucher is pretty much only for people who have $12,000 or more a year extra laying around to pay for private school.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 08:57 PM
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vouchers are a way to place public funds into corporate bank accounts
Edited on Tue Apr-26-11 08:57 PM by spanone
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 09:18 PM
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10. +1
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 10:35 PM
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12. Indeed they are. Giving public entities to private companies.
And so few seem to care or understand.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 11:05 PM
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13. Definitely
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 07:11 PM
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3. I went to a private, religious school myself
I would have cut out my right eye before I sent my kids to a religous school, FREE OR NOT. Where I live in Florida, a private NON SECTARIAN, NON CHARTER school, costs from $14,000 to $25,000 PER CHILD, per year. What voucher is going to pay for that? RELIGOUS schools, as in Fundie, CHRISTIAN schools, will be the only ones to even come CLOSE to any kind of voucher.


Idiots. Only the RICH, who can already afford it, will benefit my a state voucher.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 07:31 PM
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4. My brother went to Christian Brothers Acadamy and in his class were
about ten to twelve Jewish boys. My parents became friendly with them through the PTA and they explained that the Catholic Schools had a more advanced curriculum and they also liked the discipline that was required. It all depends on what you are looking for. The Jewish boys did not have to participate in the religious aspect but did learn much about Catholicism history (this was many, many years ago before the molestation stuff). Everyone was pretty satisfied with their decision.

Spell check must not be working so if I misspelled anything, sorry.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 07:42 PM
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5. I don't care who goes to private religious schools. Not my point.
I don't think public taxpayer money should be diverted to pay for it.

It should be a personal decision, and it should be paid for by the parents...not the taxpayers.
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 11:46 AM
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22. Absitively and posolutely
I don't one dime of my tax dollars subsidizing anybody's religion.
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left is right Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 07:44 PM
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6. I don’t know if private schools actually produce better students
but they do produce better parents. If you are paying $12,000-25,000 per year to have your kid educated, then you are more concerned about the facilities that the school has and their lunch program. You are also more likely to insist that your kid does his homework and participate in extra-curricular activities. You are also less likely to say negative things about education in general. Better parents-better students
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 08:55 PM
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7. I don't think they are required to produce their test scores like public schools.
They may have to show them, but they are not used to judge teachers.

So it's hard to know how to compare. Also they do not have to keep students who do not produce.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 03:11 AM
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16. they don't *produce* better parents. parents motivated to spend that kind
of money on their kids education are *already* motivated parents -- or more well-heeled.

you mistake cause & effect.
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 02:06 PM
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26. No tax money for religious indoctrination, period.
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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 08:57 PM
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8. Yeah, right. These folks are all slap-happy b/c their widdle precious
is going to a Xian school. Whatever. Just wait 'til Islamic schools want a piece of that gov't pie. You will have never heard such whiny, self-righteous bullshit in all your life, this side of Trump. :puke:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 09:36 PM
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11. Most don't know the largest school in Broward getting vouchers is...
"The Broward school with the biggest number of voucher students — 169 of its 361 enrollment — is Nur Ul Islam Academy in Cooper City, which has received about $694,000 from the state."

They don't know, and no one is telling them.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 03:13 AM
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17. that is interesting. & it seems to me that not only are the wingers in florida
privatizing education & fostering religious education (a typical tactic of elites who dispossess people), they're also encouraging balkanization.

doesn't bode well for the nation.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 09:33 AM
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18. I think if they realized it they would be upset.
They have pushed so hard to get those vouchers, they would indeed consider them misused that way.

The Democrats are powerless in this state, but they do have tongues...and the media should be louder about the loss of public schools. Guess it is to their benefit.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 09:16 PM
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9. How is this not forced indoctrination?
How is this different from the radical religious schools around the world?

This is unamerican.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 11:29 PM
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14. Another frightened K&R.
I support excellent public education, with excellent resources and unionized workforce in every school, regardless of local tax revenues.

It is really frightening to see corrupt privatizers being allowed to take over so much.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 02:35 AM
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15. k&r
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 10:48 AM
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19. Recommend. This is what the first people who immigrated here from Europe
were trying to ESCAPE. Of course, those religious schools apparently don't teach that in their history classes.

Will a 'Satanic' school qualify for the voucher program?



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 11:17 AM
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20. They are voting now to repeal the ban on religious funding...
if they succeed I guess court rulings are moot. And I guess public schools will be destroyed faster.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/04/27/2187306/fla-house-voting-on-religious.html

"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- A proposed amendment that would repeal the Florida Constitution's ban on spending public funds to aid religious organizations is set for a floor vote in the House.

If passed Wednesday, the proposal (HJR 1471) would go to the Senate where a similar measure is stalled in committee.

Rep. Scott Plakon, a Longwood Republican sponsoring the amendment, said Tuesday that the funding ban is a threat to school voucher programs.

Florida has vouchers that allow students to attend religious and other private schools with public dollars if they have disabilities or come from low-income families."

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/04/27/2187306/fla-house-voting-on-religious.html#ixzz1Kk0Bvee5
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 11:41 AM
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21. And the property owners that lease the land to those schools? They're making bank
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Duck Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 12:32 PM
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23. GREAT POST!!!!
Thank you.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 05:39 PM
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24. FLORIDIOTS!
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 01:50 PM
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25. I Wonder What the Teabaggers Think of This:
"The Broward school with the biggest number of voucher students — 169 of its 361 enrollment — is Nur Ul Islam Academy in Cooper City, which has received about $694,000 from the state. The second biggest beneficiary is Phyl's Academy Preparatory School in Lauderdale Lakes. Vouchers helped pay tuition for 132 of its 356 students, for a total of about $542,000."

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 02:07 PM
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27. vouchers, a clever way to move taxpayer money into private corporations
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Reader Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 02:23 PM
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28. Aren't vouchers "stealing" from school districts?
It's pretty much the flip-side of those parents who keep getting arrested for sending their kids to districts they don't live in, isn't it?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:42 PM
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29. This is frightening.
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