Not interested in the Royal Wedding BUT I have to say...I wish our Leaders had as much "Guts" as..

[BlueJazz]

...this young man.
I mean, this Guy actually fought in a war by choice...has spent a lot of his day helping the poor and disadvantage,
...done some REALLY shitty jobs (in his own words "to get to know how the lifestyle of my countrymen/women")
...is very accessible to his people.

Most of our chicken-shit leaders love to start Wars but also love to send OTHER people to "Serve our country".
...plus they wouldn't clean out a sewer..with shit up to their waist, (like William has) because it would be "Beneath Them".

I like the Dude....He walks the walk and talks the talk.

[AlabamaLibrul]

1. Someone on here recently changed my opinion on it

I'm okay with an event celebrating love for a change.

That said, I'm still not really interested in it.

[Bicoastal]

2. Yes, I wish our leaders were born into unimaginable wealth and power through their bloodline...

and then somehow did US a fucking favor by making a big deal out of doing actual menial work!!

Oh, wait...

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[Bicoastal]

7. I just get peeved...

...when wealthy, powerful people do something ordinary and get admired for it.

NEWSFLASH: ordinary people do ordinary things all the time and no one gives a shit.

[Doremus]

14. Depends what you consider normal.

If I were wealthy I probably wouldn't go wading in shit. Hell, I'm one step away from poverty and I still wouldn't go wading in shit.

Apparently you would? And not because you had to, but just for the experience of seeing firsthand what your fellow citizens have to deal with?

Sure, that's believable. lol

[RaleighNCDUer]

18. Search and rescue pilots and not ordinary even among the 'ordinary'.

Ordinary people do what they have to do. Extraordinary people go out of their way to do things they don't have to do.

And that's a far cry from W, who didn't do what he did have to do.

[BlueJazz]

19. I didn't say or imply that regular people don't do great things...just that..

..MOST people born into wealthy families would never do the things that william has...and that's a sad thing..

[WinkyDink]

27. Did you just discover that that's life? Ordinary people sing, too, and don't get paid!

[AngryAmish]

3. still an asshole, tho

[RaleighNCDUer]

25. What makes you say that?

Or is it just that he is rich and you are a snob?

[AngryAmish]

29. I am a snob, but I never thought I'd see the day that Progressives would be giving royal's asshole a

tongue bath. Yet here we are.

[truebrit71]

39. Wow so much venom...

...

[RaleighNCDUer]

46. Funny, I thought progressives judged people by what they do, not by who

their parents are.

[a la izquierda]

48. No, that's just what they say they do.

I've come to find some progressives to be good at talking the talk, but not walking it.

[GoCubsGo]

4. His mother taught him well.

In general, I don't care about this wedding, either, but I'm sad that she won't be there. I like the William, too. He reminds me of his mom, and despite all the problems in her life, she was a good, decent person. I hope William and Catherine fare better than she did.

[catbyte]

16. Wow, GoCubsGo, the haters are out in force today!

William couldn't help the circumstances of his birth any more than the poorest citizen could help their circumstances. I agree with you--he could have turned out to be an arrogant POS, but it looks like he didn't. I give him and his parents props for that.

All you haters out there, please lighten up!

Diane
Anishinabe in MI

[truebrit71]

17. The amount of venom is astounding...

...some folks need to switch to decaf apparently!!

[Raschel]

22. +1

[Raschel]

21. I like the fact that he and his brother were in Africa with their charities.

Diana did things that the royals didn't normally do and I see her sons following suit. They're much like their mom.

I don't see Camilla over in Africa holding an AIDS orphan.

They do seem to be cut out of a different cloth.

I wish the the bride and groom well.

[cali]

6. oh for fuck's sake.

I could give a shit about the guy. He's done nothing that merits your ridiclous slobbering post. And accessible? ridiculous. walks the walk and talks the talk? bullshit.

[truebrit71]

10. Really? Which son of the privileged few was done REAL military service?

...William and especially Harry don't just play at being soldiers, they ARE soldiers...in combat, at the front lines...

They don't HAVE to do what they do, but they choose to do it...they could just sit back and take things easy but they don't, soldiering, charity work, raising awareness on crucial issues...but yeah, go ahead and scorn them, and those that admire them, because it makes you feel better...

:eyes:

[MineralMan]

12. Many have. Go do some research.

I'm not going to do it for you. You're incorrect, and badly so.

You can start with JFK and go from there. Come back and let us know what you find, OK?

[truebrit71]

15. Name me ONE. Volunteered for the front lines. Just ONE please.

Thanks!

(You only have your pithy response and not actual facts it appears. I've done my research and have found no-one from a rich and powerful bloodline that has DEMANDED that he go the front with his unit as Prince Harry did...but please don't let that trip you up in your royal-bashing fervor...)

[MineralMan]

23. I already did. John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

You could look him up on Wikipedia, if you're not familiar with the name.

His brother, Joseph Kennedy, Jr., died in action in WWII. So there's two that should meet your requirements.

With Joseph Kennedy, Jr. on the mission where he lost his life was fellow combat pilot, Colonel Elliott Roosevelt, son of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. You can look him up, too.

As I said, I could go on and on, listing sons of America's wealthy elite who have voluntarily served and sometimes died. You're way the fuck off base on this one.

Have a nice day, mate.

[truebrit71]

33. So nothing recently then eh?

"way the fuck off base"

Not so much. Mate.

[MineralMan]

34. Oh, dear. Changing the rules are we then?

Never mind. There's a good lad.

[truebrit71]

36. You have to go back 70 years, I went back 2.

No rules got changed.

Cheers!

[WinkyDink]

40. Because if you went back to WWII, you'd have to mention your treasonous E-VIII.

[WinkyDink]

38. As pointed out, Joe Biden's son.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

47. IIRC, Joe Kennedy Jr. died on what was basically a suicide mission.

[RaleighNCDUer]

24. I'm not sure I can name any since WW2 -

and even then, in American "aristocracy" the Kennedys were just getting started when Joe Jr was shot down, and JFK had his boat sunk under him. Joe Kennedy was still just a self-made rich guy with some disreputable connections.

American blue bloods who serve generally get non-combat assignments - there were units in the Vietnam era that were filled with sons on senators and congressmen - units which were never deployed. Like W's.

IMO, in is undemocratic to castigate people just because of the families they were born into. Judge them by who they are and what they do, not by the size of their bank accounts.

[MineralMan]

26. Actually, if you went through the Military academy graduates lists

for the Korean war and Vietnam, it would be easy to spot the sons of American aristocracy among the names. Some served at the rear, no doubt, but many others were on the front lines. In some wealthy families, it's a long tradition.

I don't have time to do that research, but it wouldn't be difficult. Not a lot of the sons of wealth served as enlisted men, of course, but many served as junior officers. There's no list of rich families' sons who served on the front lines, though, that's easily accessible. They did, though.

[RaleighNCDUer]

42. Oh, I'm sure there are some - the Wiki on Al Gore says that he was one

"of only about a dozen of the 1,115 Harvard graduates in the Class of '69 who went to Vietnam." That's what, 1%? Not saying it didn't happen, but I can't think of any examples that spring to mind.

It's not common, and it is rarer than it once was, when it was expected of the 'upper class' to have some time in service.

I'm no fan of aristocracy and inherited wealth, but I think the dissing of William's service as if it was equivalent to W's time in the TANG is simply ignorant of what he actually did.

[MineralMan]

45. That's why I said the military academies.

Lots of sons of wealthy families at our official academies. Tradition. You'll find some who died on the front lines. We just don't hear about them, or we forget about them. Their deaths, in most cases, were just local news, despite the family's prominence. Besides, even Vietnam was a long time ago.

[AngryAmish]

28. Jack Kipling

[Javaman]

31. Joe Bidens son. nt

[truebrit71]

35. Not on the frontlines though...

...In country? Yes, front lines, no.

[WinkyDink]

41. Oh, please. Jesuitical much?

[MineralMan]

43. No, just argumentative.

It's not worth the bother, really.

[WinkyDink]

32. WHAT??!?!? Elliott Roosevelt; JFK; his elder brother Joe; GHWB; John Kerry.

And a couple of Rockefellers.

[Chris_Texas]

50. Actually Bush Sr and Jr BOTH

Bush Sr was a highly decorated combat pilot.

Bush Jr flew a very dangerous combat aircraft.

And as much as I dislike the guy, it is completely unfair to dismiss Bush Jr's service, or to suggest that he should have somehow magically arrainged a transfer to Vietnam to fly an aircraft that was not in service in Vietnam. He served, probably as "honorably" as any kid in the military served -- which is to say that he had as much fun as he could, got away with doing as little as he could do, never volunteered for anything, and drank a lot of beer and chased the ladies. This describes me as well, along with everyone I knew in the service. Nor is it reasonable to demand, as a prerequisite for honorable service, that ANY kid volunteered to fight in Vietnam.

Now i need a shower; defending that jackass made me feel dirty.

[Chris_Texas]

49. BUSH Sr. for one. JFK is another.

i am sure if I wracked my brain I could come up with plenty.

[CBGLuthier]

8. Easy to do a "shitty job" when your future is all set.

Fuck him and all royalty. It is an archaic bit of nonsense the world would be a lot better without.

[truebrit71]

13. Yeah, let's get rid of the royals and leave the earth-destroying corporations alone eh?

:eyes:

Methinks you have your priorities all fucked up...

[Brickbat]

9. Doing a "shitty job" for a short, scheduled amount of time is not "walking the walk."

It's condescending and only highlights the privilege he's born into.

[truebrit71]

11. Which 'shitty job' are you referring to? His two year stint as a search and rescue pilot...

...'shitty'? 'short time'?

Really?

[BlueJazz]

20. Damn...I didn't know that I was gonna' start a Riot !!

After some of these posts, I hate the Son-of-a-bitch now. :rofl:

[Hassin Bin Sober]

37. Glad you came around. LOL.

Seriously though, looking like they give a shit about the commoners is WHAT. THEY. DO.

It's their sole job in life. That and collecting billions for nothing more than who they were born to while the rest of the country/world is hurting.

If you don't believe their "heroics" are a put-on then ask yourself this: Why are they all so fucking "heroic"? Do you believe it's in their blood?


(most?) Every male serves. They do their couple year stint, "volunteer" for dangerous duty and then out.

I can just imagine the "talk" they all get from Granny: "Look you little shit, we got a good thing goin' here. Don't muck it up!! Do your time and if you don't get killed, you live like a king the rest of your life. Besides, it's not like you will REALLY be in that much danger... nudge nudge, wink wink. It beats the alternative of getting our funding pulled or our heads chopped off."

[truebrit71]

44. Me too...the haters have convinced me too...he's a total knob...

....:eyes: :rofl:

[PDJane]

30. I'm Canadian, and I'm not particularly interested either....

It did interest me that the pair are going to live without servants, at least for the time being.

However, what really interests me is that so many people are willing, perhaps even eager, to slander a decent young man and his wife-to-be (they've known each other for ten years, by the by). What the hell?

Yes, Americans used to have decent leaders who did their bit for the rest of the world. The Roosevelts took public transit often, and Eleanor was a really interesting person...far more interesting than her husband, in fact. The Kennedys were decent types, albeit the offspring of a greedy power-hungry man. GHW Bush was a pilot in WWII; of course, part of that was to erase the stigma of Herbert Walker's Trading With the Enemy conviction. However, there haven't been many since then who weren't connected to the shady side of the ocrporatocracy....especially the Bush bunch.

The fact that this is a young man doing his best in difficult circumstances and marrying a schoolmate doesn't mean he should be open to this pettiness....and downright meanness.

[AngryAmish]

51. AT least you know your future Ruler

And you voted for him how?

[PDJane]

52. That's one of the world's most ignorant statements........

He will be, as his grandmother before him,titular head of state. I live in a social democracy, and vote for my MP.

Royalty is there to provide a unifying spectacle, and that's about it!