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Zax2me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 10:48 AM
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Cop punches girl in face
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9shJZCnPr9s
Know this IHOP well. Quit going because there is always an incident late night. Cops are always present because of it.
Seen hot syrup, hot coffee poured on patrons (and coffee on a cop once). The customers are mostly drunk and often the young women are ready to argue/fight and throw coffee over the smallest things. Have seen men fight but the young women usually go for the coffee container or the syrup jar and let fly.
You can imagine how the serve staff are treated.
Officer should be fired and will be but they need to close the restaurant!
Last 3 times I went there were fights/incidents. That was two years ago, never went back.
Notice how as patrons are removed by police, others simply slide right into seats, eager to be served like nothing happened.
I suspect similar incidents happen here daily but are not on video.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 10:55 AM
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1. Sure looks like woman #2 smacked the cop first, in fact several times.....
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 11:01 AM
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6. Actually the cop swung first.
If cops were not so eager to escalate... I see no reason to try and pin the first woman against the wall. This seems to me like it could have been handled a hell of a lot better.
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Zax2me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 11:02 AM
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7. Yea, but the cop should have not punched her in face.
I'm sure getting hit like that isn't fun but as an officer you have to have a cooler head, right?
If it comes down to punching someone in the face as an officer you have made a mistake somewhere.
Tough job, I've witnessed what they have to deal with and quit going because of it.

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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 11:06 AM
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11. Yeah. He shoulda just let her claw his face.
I'm no fan of cops. Or as I often refer to them - pigs - when they act like it. But no one should have to endure a full on assault like that.
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 06:50 PM
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27. Indeed...this was justified n/t
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 10:55 AM
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2. Moral of the story: don't intervene when the police are making an arrest
Her actions weren't very smart

:shrug:
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 11:01 AM
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5. Assault on a police officer
interfering with an arrest
interfering with a police officer

I imagine she has multiple charges.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 10:57 AM
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3. same incident different photo angle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pw-bEwEUvI&feature=related

It was hard to tell just what happened when photographed from the back... the video is from the opposite direction. Good grief, he decked her twice.

Is there an article about this incident somewhere?


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Zax2me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 11:05 AM
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10. Wow. Sorry, my video was not this good.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 01:28 PM
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15. Shge didn't know he was a cop........I guess the uniform, badge & cuffs & commands ,meant nothing...
good luck with your court case. Tthe gene pool life guard must have been off duty.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 04:27 PM
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16. No problem - I found the other one by accident after some poking around
Who knew a Denny's would need bouncers? That place looked really unrully.

Thanks for finding the article. :hi:



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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 04:43 PM
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21. The biggest mistake the cop made was not dealing with her earlier.
Edited on Wed Apr-27-11 04:43 PM by Renew Deal
He let it escalate.
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 05:13 PM
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24. Decked twice, but justified.
Most Police Depts allow the officer to punch/shove a person grabbing onto their clothing like the women was doing. After that he was allowed to hit back within reason after she escalated the attack by clawing at his face. He hit her with one forceful punch which disoriented her and then she was taken into custody while in the daze. That's fair under most dept rules as he used one blow to subdue her. If he had continued beating her after she was disoriented it would be considered brutality, but he did not. I know this because of a family member (sibling) who is an officer.

It looks awful, but Officers are given a lot of leeway when in crowded situations and under attack or restraint from bystanders/suspects as they could easily be disarmed and killed if it got out of their control.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 11:00 AM
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4. I know places like that. I tend to stay away from them at certain hours. I feel
for the waiters and waitresses who have to put up with that crap. They tend to be young and with a lot of false bravado.
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Broderick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 11:03 AM
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9. Right after bar time
I worked in a 24 hour place in college and the crowd would swell about 1am, which was bar time. And it was never a pretty scene.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 11:02 AM
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8. Can't really tell what happened from that video.
It's clear that she deserved to be arrested. The officer was trying to arrest one woman, when the second climbed across the table and grabbed the officer by the neck. You can see the officers left arm come up, but because the camera was behind her, you can't tell if he was pushing per off or punching her. Based on how slowly her body moved as his arm came up, it looks like it was probably a shove, and not a punch.

Everything after that was 100% justified. She immediately took three closed fist swings directly at the officers head. I'm sorry, but if you take a swing at a police officers head, they are entirely justified in taking a swing back at you. You can't punch a cop and then whine that he hits you back.
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Zax2me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 11:06 AM
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Post 3 has better video angle
The video I posted was not nearly as clear.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 11:28 AM
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14. It still looks fairly justifiable.
A little murkier, but some things are still clear.

First, she grabbed and/or was clearly clawing at his neck. This was the first violence in the video.

Second, he didn't punch her in response, but he did slap her. It wasn't a shove like it originally looked, but his hand was clearly open so it wasn't a punch either. It probably wasn't the most appropriate way to respond, but he was being physically attacked, so the "justifiable" bar is quite a bit lower. It's not like he just slapped her out of the blue. He was defending himself.

As for the confrontation after that moment, it's still just as justifiable in this video as it was in the previous video. She swung on him, closed fist, with as much force as she could muster, THREE TIMES. The fact that he swung back and rang her bell is no surprise.

My mother always taught me not to hit, because it's mean, and because people tend to hit back. She was just reminded of that lesson the hard way.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 05:46 PM
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25. no, it wasn't justifiable
Yes, she grabbed at his shirt collar which is what made him slam her in the face the first time. That's not justifiable. Police are only allowed to use the minimal force necessary. It was not necessary to slap her the first time let alone punch her in the face a second time. You might also notice she was not the only patron physically touching the punching officer in an attempt to make him release the girl he had pressed up against the wall. There is a woman's hand wearing bracelets on the officer's back trying to intervene.

Something inappropriate on the part of the punching officer was going on here as the bald officer instead of pulling away the girl in the black dress from trying to interfere when she first started to he was clearly pulling the punching officer away from the girl he had pressed up against the wall (and practically on top of another girl still seated). I was wondering why the bald officer was doing nothing to subdue the girl in the black dress so she wouldn't have had any opportunity to have escalated further as she climbed through thee melee, reached out at him, tugged on his arm, etc., and after watching the video in the OP again it is clear that the bald officer was busy trying to pull the punching officer off the girl he had pressed up against the wall having for some reason found that to be more important than trying to keep the girl in the black dress from continuing to escalate her intervention.

Incidentally, the article someone else posted down thread reveals that the punching officer was off duty.


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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 11:06 AM
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12. looks like she needed to get popped in the face
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Zax2me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 11:09 AM
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13. Article link - From AJC
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 04:36 PM
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17. not gonna watch video cause sick of all this violence recorded for entertainment BUT
if she physically assaulted in anyway....

which it sounds like she did

her bad

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 04:38 PM
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18. What the fuck is with drunks stopping by a restaurant after bar closing time?
Edited on Wed Apr-27-11 04:39 PM by Odin2005
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 04:45 PM
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22. Very popular
And I've seen some late night restaurant fights. But I'm pretty sure I've never seen someone attack a cop like that before.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 04:39 PM
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19. Well...she made the mistake and paid for it.
Word of advice, never interfere with an arrest, and never, ever touch the arresting officer or he definitely will ruin your day.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 04:40 PM
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20. That girl was not innocent.
She had her hands all over the cop. He eventually pushed(?) her and she started swinging. Bad Move. You can't punch a cop.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 05:01 PM
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23. Watched both videos...
that girl pushed the officer and touched him multiple times before he hit her, and it looks totally justifiable. You never, ever touch an officer while they are making an arrest. EVER.

She is lucky that she didn't get hit with a baton or flashlight, tasered or even shot. She was hit with an open hand and should be thanking her lucky stars.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 06:28 PM
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26. Cops are not my favorite entity, but she's lucky she's not getting
six or seven dental implants about now. Of course, thats the least of her problems, now.
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