Should Obama have released his long-form birth certificate?

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[PeaceNikki]

1. It's not as black and white as you depict.

Yes, I think he should have but no, they still won't shut up because they're fucking stupid.

[elleng]

6. You're basically right, of course,

but the reason it won't shut them up is not because they're stupid, its because 'they' have lots of agendas, none of which will be addressed/satisfied by this.

[elleng]

2. Yes, but not because it will end the nonsense,

but it provides a better talking point than nothing.

[MineralMan]

3. Other: It's not my call, actually.

He made his decision. No doubt he had very good reasons for doing it at this time. Since I'm not privy to his thinking, I'll just let him decide things like this for himself.

[ecstatic]

5. That's my take too nt

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9. Implied:

Do you think releasing his certificate is beneficial (overall) for political dialogue and ultimately the US?

[MineralMan]

12. Too early to tell, actually. I'm not that good at predicting what

will happen when the butterfly flies in the rain forest. If I were to venture a guess, I'd say it will have no perceptible affect at all on either.

But, that's just a guess.

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16. IMO by caving to ridiculous demands like that

he looks weak. He needs to start playing hardball.

[MineralMan]

18. I disagree with that. He's trying to refocus the news media on

more important issues. Will it work? I have no idea. But that appears to have been his intent, and he said that was his intent.

Perhaps you have greater insight into his thinking than I do. That's possible. If so, maybe you could explain his intent, so we'll all have it right.

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25. His intent doesn't matter.

Only the effect matters.

[MineralMan]

26. Yes, but It's too early to know that effect. My point exactly.

If you know what the effect will be, then you're far more prescient than I.

[Lucian]

4. Why didn't they ask to see Dubya's birth certificate?

Or Clinton's? Or Reagan's? Oh, that's right, they weren't black.

He shouldn't have. Anyone who uses their brain knows that he was born in the U.S. If he wasn't, he wouldn't be President. Simple. As. That.

[doc03]

7. Why the heck didn't they just do it 2 1/2 years ago? Of course I

doubt it satisfies the crazies anyway.

[Skidmore]

8. No. Period. Are you finished with the birth/teabagger waterjug you are carrying?

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10. Want a drink?

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[JonLP24]

11. Neither option

Doesn't matter. If he does or doesn't, people will still think whatever they want.

[Johonny]

13. sure why not

he did it in a way to say WTF is this news when real * isn't. He shamed the media, he shamed the Republicans and he proved for like the millionth time how stupid the story is. He wins big if the comedian turn this story into a joke on why the media sucks, which I have no doubt the Daily Show will do.

[jillan]

14. Other - Obama released this for the press not for the birthers. Go back and watch it again.

He told them that all they want to talk about is the birth certificate, so here it is... in so many words.

[seabeyond]

15. i voted he shouldnt, but i really didnt care either way, .... nt

[jmowreader]

17. It wouldn't matter if he did, at this point.

Let's throw out a REALLY far-fetched scenario: on July 4, the president, the vice president, the governor of Hawaii, the Hawaiian director of vital records and a representative of every legitimate news service, PLUS Faux News, PLUS Andrew Breitbart, PLUS Matt Drudge (this to prevent "Breitbart and Drudge weren't invited--what is he hiding?" posts on their websites) assemble in front of the room where Hawaii keeps the "vault copies" of birth certificates. The director of vital records leads the group to the exact place where Obama's birth certificate is. She pulls the birth certificate out of the place it resides. She lays it on a table. The members of the press inspect and photograph the document. On July 5, the top story in every newspaper in the US is "President Reveals Long Form Birth Certificate."

Five minutes later, a freeper posts "How many millions did it cost Barry Soetoro to have that phony birth certificate planted in the Hawaiian Department of Health?"

The birther shit isn't going away no matter what anyone does. It's best to just out them as being completely insane.

[Azathoth]

19. No. It was an exercise in self-abasement that accomplished nothing n/t

[hlthe2b]

20. I think it will help in giving the MSM pause in continuing this BS

I don't think it will stop the RW fanatic birthers, no... But, right now, it has been the echo chamber of the MSM that is the problem. They continue pushing this story at their own peril, because I don't think the average viewer will tolerate it.

[Aerows]

21. Yes

Now let's see Palin release Trig's BC.

[Marr]

22. I don't think it matters.

Birthers never had a coherent argument. They simply want to believe that story, and so they do. They'll continue believing it. Who cares.

Anyone who doesn't care about the issue isn't going to care about Obama's long form birth certificate either.

[lamp_shade]

23. Yes. Of course. He made fools of the birthers AND the msm. Good job, Mr. President.

[jtown1123]

24. Can someone please explain to them that it doesn't matter. His mom is a citizen so he is too. fin.

[TheKentuckian]

27. No, he should have let them have a little more rope by letting the pukes have birfer wars

in their primary for ads.

Now their is no benefit of any sort.

[MrSlayer]

28. No. Why does he always save those fucking assholes from themselves?

He should never have done this.