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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 02:40 PM
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Circumcision ban in San Francisco considered
SAN FRANCISCO — A group opposed to male circumcision said on Tuesday they have collected more than enough signatures to qualify a proposal to ban the practice in San Francisco as a ballot measure for November elections.

But legal experts said that even if it were approved by a majority of the city's voters, such a measure would almost certainly face a legal challenge as an unconstitutional infringement on freedom of religion.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42784426/ns/health-kids_and_parenting/?fb_ref=story_text&fb_source=other_multiline
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 02:42 PM
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1. Are they conciously trying to drive Jewish families out of the city?
nt
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 02:50 PM
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7. Not going to happen
All the Jewish families can easily drive to the Peninsula, Marin, or the East Bay for the bris.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 06:58 PM
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23. Absolutely wrong-headed response -- they're trying to end a practice of mutilation of infants.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 02:43 PM
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2. I agree, its an infringement on peoples freedom of religion
If you don't want you kid circumcised, then don't do it. But just like you don't like religious people shoving their views in your face, they don't like you shoving your views in their face

*You refers to people in general.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 02:43 PM
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3. Stay out of people's personal decisions
This attempt to rule people's lives is as insane as the anti-abortionists. Period.

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Mariana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 04:12 PM
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19. Women who exercise their right to choose
are making decisions about their OWN bodies. Under this proposal, men can likewise choose to have circumcision done on their OWN bodies.

The measure, which would only apply in San Francisco, would make it a misdemeanor crime to circumcise a boy before he is 18 years of age...
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 07:07 PM
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24. You mean, like the adult's decision whether they want to cut off a part of their own body?
I agree. No one should be allowed to make that decision for a human being -- not even their parents.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 09:47 AM
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30. Yes, I mean parents' decision on their own infant minors' health and
and status.

No one should be circumcised later in life, so it's a decision parents need to make at the start. It's also a religious and cultural decision for some people. This law would directly violate religious freedom, since there is no health risk to circumcision that would bar it on health grounds.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 02:46 PM
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4. you are just trying to shift from the birther issue, arent you? nt
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 02:46 PM
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5. If this makes it onto the ballot, I'd be surprised if it won
That's one of the things about our clip-board democracy- it's fairly easy to get enough signatures for just about anything, it seems.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 02:48 PM
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6. Hey, kids! New hotbutton topic over here!
Yoohoo!
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 02:51 PM
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8. Looks like the issue has reached a tipping point
:evilgrin:
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 02:52 PM
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9. Never mind freedom of religion, is everyone just now wiping their asses
with the Constitution? WTF? This is an issue for the bill of rights.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 04:33 PM
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20. Religion is no excuse for child abuse.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 07:08 PM
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25. The Constitution gives people the right to chop off the foreskins of the helpless?
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 02:53 PM
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10. Burka, circumcision: One is completely reversible; one is not.
It's interesting to consider when you put the two issues side by side.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 02:54 PM
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11. Three cheers for the nanny state.
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ohiosmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 02:56 PM
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12. billyskank! How are you man?
:hi:
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 02:59 PM
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13. Here is a radical idea for these folks, if they don't want their sons circumcised
then make sure to inform the doctor when he is born.

This is the same sort of thinking that drives the anti-choice crowd.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 07:09 PM
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26. What if the son doesn't want to have his penis mutilated?
Shouldn't that be a decision for the adult to make?
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 08:54 PM
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28. Parents make major health decisions on behalf of their minor children.
I have no problem with that.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 10:21 PM
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29. Foreskin removal is not a health decision, any more than foot-binding would be.
People need to wake up from their destructive superstitions. It shouldn't require convincing.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-11 03:01 PM
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14. Wondering how they intend to enforce this? Make everyone whip out his penis for inspection?
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 12:49 PM
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15. billyskank! Where you been?
:hi:
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 01:05 PM
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16. Hi billyskank!
:hi: good to see you here!
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 04:01 PM
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17. I'll guess that something like this...
Will make a lot easier to mention "uncut" as a topic of conversation in SF more frequently.

Not that's a bad thing for some.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 04:04 PM
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18. Oh please. Even we incredibly nutty Bay Areans are making fun of this group
Everyone, please get your panties unknotted. It's not going to happen here.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 07:10 PM
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27. Well then I am happy to side with the sane Bay Areans.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 04:33 PM
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21. Good. It is barbaric.
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 06:56 PM
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22. Hey, stranger!
How you doin'? Good to see you.

:hi:
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 09:55 AM
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31. More nannystate shit from the Bay
I used to love San Francisco - I wouldn't go there now for anything.
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