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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 01:35 PM
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Firefighters will suspend all financial contributions to Democratic congressional candidates.


Irked at Democrats, Firefighters Suspend Federal Contributions
By STEVEN GREENHOUSE
April 26, 2011

The nation’s main firefighters’ union, long a strong supporter of Democratic candidates, announced on Tuesday that it would indefinitely suspend all contributions to federal candidates out of frustration with Congressional Democrats who, union officials say, have not fought harder against budget cuts and antiunion legislation.

The union, the International Association of Fire Fighters, said it would focus its contributions and energies on state and local races because many legislatures have sought to curtail collective bargaining or otherwise weaken public-sector unions.

Harold A. Schaitberger, the president of the 300,000-member union, said in an interview that he was dismayed with Democrats in Congress for not fighting harder against Republican budget cuts and efforts to weaken unions in more than a dozen state legislatures.

“We’re tired that our friends have not been willing to stand up and fight back on our behalf with the same ferocity, the same commitment that our enemies have in trying to destroy our members’ rights,” he said. “Quite frankly, our enemies are trying to kill us as a labor movement and union trying to represent workers and help the middle class.”

Read the full article at:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/27/us/politics/27firefighters.html#


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Fire Fighters Turn off the Spigot
By Mary Bottari
April 27, 2011

Remember when the fight broke out in Wisconsin over the right to collectively bargain and President Obama and a phalanx of national democratic leaders spread out across the country fighting for the rights of American workers?

Right, we don't remember that either.


As unions battled for their very existence, the thunderous silence from Washington, D.C. did not go unnoticed by working families fighting for their livelihoods or by powerful political players. At least one organization has decided to hold a few of their former friends accountable.

The International Association of Fire Fighters, announced yesterday it would no longer be giving money to federal candidates. Rather, the 300,000-member union said it would put its energy and resources into the fight at the state level over collective bargaining.

Read the full article at:

http://prwatch.org/news/2011/04/10682/fire-fighters-turn-spigot


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Press Release

For Immediate Release
April 26, 2011
Contact: Bill Glanz 202 824-1505
202 329-5856 (cell)
Scott Treibitz 703 626-1407 (cell)

IAFF Cutting off Contributions to Federal Candidates, Federal Parties, Committees and Super PACs

Washington, DC – The International Association of Fire Fighters today said it will indefinitely freeze contributions to federal candidates and federal parties, party committees and the super PACs that support them and instead focus on the states, where so many governors and anti-worker lawmakers are pursuing legislation to eliminate collective bargaining rights, gag workers and eliminate dues deduction to weaken union finances.

“We know we have legislative fights, ballot measures and re-call elections that will require us to be on the offensive at the state and local level through this fall. I expect this strategic decision to focus our resources on state and local efforts to last as long as the political and legislative fights in the states continue,” IAFF General President Harold Schaitberger said.

The IAFF in February began a campaign to assist fire fighters and paramedics wage their political and legislative fights in statehouses. The IAFF has helped its members respond to anti-worker legislation in Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida, Oklahoma, Michigan, Nebraska, Alabama, Tennessee and New Hampshire, using legal resources, television, newspaper, Internet and social media to educate our members and the public and fight back with everything we have.

“The attacks launched at our members since the November 2010 elections have changed the landscape. Extreme right-wing conservative and so-called Tea Party politicians are coming after fire fighters, paramedics and all public workers with a vengeance across the United States, so it’s time to focus our efforts on the states,” Schaitberger said.

The IAFF’s Political Action Committee, FIREPAC, was in the top 1.1 percent of the more than 7,100 federally registered PACs in terms of dollars raised and was the 10th largest PAC in candidate contributions in the last election cycle. It was also one of the most bi-partisan PACs. In total, the IAFF spent close to $15 million in the last election cycle on behalf of federal candidates and both political parties, helping to elect those who support us and defeat those who oppose us.

“Now more than ever, as our adversaries speak and act with a concerted, focused message, we need our friends to respond with similar strength and leadership to beat back the multi-faceted, well-organized assaults the right has launched at us – funded by anti-labor extremists like the multi-billionaire Koch brothers. And while we are fighting for our very survival, our friends aren’t doing enough to fight back -- they don’t have our backs,” Schaitberger said.

The IAFF, headquartered in Washington, represents more than 298,000 full-time professional fire fighters and paramedics in North America and is the leading advocate for the health and safety of fire fighters. More information is available at www.iaff.org
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http://www.iaff.org/Comm/Press/11Press/FIREPAC042611.pdf



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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 01:41 PM
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1. seems to me this is where things have been heading since the blanche licoln dust up.
we'll see what happens from here.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 09:45 AM
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109. Excellent observation.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 12:57 PM
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135. Exactly.
After the performance of the White House in Arkansas and Pennsylvania in the 2010 Primaries,
and more recently in Wisconsin,
I'm surprised that ANY union would support the Democratic Party.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4419157



Who will STAND and FIGHT for THIS American Majority?
Lofty Rhetoric, Empty Promises, and Whiny Excuses mean NOTHING.
"By their WORKS you will know them."



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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 01:42 PM
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2. They got the message, and it hurts them.
So, they're putting their money where their mouths are.

Money talks.

Good for them...

Recommended.

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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 01:42 PM
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3. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Better Believe It.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 01:42 PM
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 01:43 PM
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5. "Can you hear me now?"
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canuckledragger Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 11:48 PM
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75. lol, love the message!
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 02:37 AM
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83. They better start to hear soon. nt
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 02:40 AM
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84. Yeah, no kidding.
The so-called "democrats" in Massachusetts should have their heads examined. Whose side are they on, anyway? They are a DISGRACE!!!!! And their stupidity will not just hurt them - it'll hurt us ALL. Frickin' JERKS!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:03 AM
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:34 AM
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124. The public fed up with them? Bullshit.
Only crybaby teabagging selfish asshloes are the ones with the problem. The adversaries are ups ip politicians who think teabaggers are relevant
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 01:43 PM
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6. Good. They should....
As it is pointed out, they will still donate to local candidates where applicable. They are just not going to do blanket Democratic party or DNC or whatever donations given that the Democratic party in this as in so many other areas is expecting everyone to settle for "So what if we're screwing you over. The other guys would screw you overworse!" as the sole reason for people to part with their time and money.
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 11:19 PM
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72. Well said!
It will be just more in a long line of acts where the administration has abandoned their base. Hey, all of you politicians who threw Acorn under the bus..... when you lost your seat, you do realize that it may have been directly related to that act, right?!?!? Well, when you abandon the unions and lose their support, it does mean that you are out of a job. Just sayin...
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 02:40 AM
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85. I have adopted the same strategy.
Also if a Democratic candidate would consider raising the retirement age, or cutting medicare or social security in any way, they are dead to me. Dick Durbin -dead to me. Just an example.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 01:47 PM
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7. I agree with the firefighters more has to be done by the Dems to strengthen our rights to UNIONIZE
Edited on Thu Apr-28-11 01:49 PM by LaPera
against the corporations unlimited amounts of money, the corporations teams of million dollar lobbyist fighting to break unions and give more power to the corporations as well as the elitist slimy republican party who do all they can to give to the richest and take away from the workers whom thee republicans have always despised!

Democrats need to fight and do much more!!
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 01:58 PM
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8. Unfortunately, this is what needs to happen
Only when the Democratic establishment is threatened will they notice. The number one thing that keeps them getting support from the rank and file is the simple fact that they're not Republicans. As a message, this one really lacks.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 02:02 PM
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9. which democrat said he was going to put on his boots and go walk the picket lines (paraphrase)? nt
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 02:03 PM
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10. Obama...
Was this a serious question or was it snark? In any event it was Obama who promised this and then when the opportunity came up was silent.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 07:17 AM
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92. I think the actual comment referred to comfortable shoes.
I assume he doesn't have any.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 02:06 PM
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11. Good for them. No point in supporting
people who are going to turn around and stab you in the back.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 08:31 AM
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102. That's the same thing the GOP said
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 08:44 AM
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103. Doesn't matter what the GOP said.
I am a Democrat. I stand for Democratic values. I stand for Unions.If Democrats can't stand for those values,and workers rights there is no reason to support them.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 09:07 AM
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106. Why doesn't it matter? Have you seen the damage the GOP has been causing?
Do you think it's important to stop that damage? Do you think undermining the Democrats will help stop that damage?
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 09:14 AM
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107. Do you think that some "Democrats" helping
them is okay? If they are willing to help the GOP cause that damage, then how will supporting them stop the damage? It won't. They need to be removed and if that means the Unions not supporting them then I agree with the Unions. That old canard about how we need DINOS to get our agenda done has been proven false. They further the agenda of the GOP.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:14 AM
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113. Absolutely the Democrats have been helping
the more important question is are other people helping the Democrats in their efforts to stop the Republicans or are the Democrats having to fight the GOP by themselves
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:21 AM
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115. I don't know about you, but I'm getting sick of
making phone call and writing letters to some of the so called Democrats I have voted for only to be ignored, and in Bennets case,talking to him and the SOB getting nasty. Some "Democrats" we have voted for don't want anything from us but our vote, and they see no reason to give us what we want. So I learned, that he doesn't want to represent me so I will never vote for him again. Some of these people have no desire to "fight" the GOP.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 02:18 PM
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12. Good for them.
Maybe Washington will wake up. Too bad it had to come to this.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 02:25 PM
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13. Good for them! Recommend they support the Progressive Caucus....
...

The Peoples Budget


http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=70

http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20 ...


This needs to be pushed as the path to the 2012 elections and future of America. Not perfect, but such a striking contrast with the Ryan disaster will be easy to explain to the public.


Here's Rachel's coverage last week... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel ... /


Here's the Progressive Caucus website.... http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=70

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dreamnightwind Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 04:31 PM
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42. Thanks for this post
The answers are out there. Just because the powers that be ignore the answers doesn't mean we should accept their limited choices.

The Progressive Caucus budget proposal got very little coverage. We can do ourselves a favor by bringing it to people's attention again and again.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 05:39 PM
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47. I keep trying. n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:19 AM
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 12:10 PM
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128. Enjoy your stay - maybe you'll learn something before you return to FR. nt
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 01:13 PM
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138. Then you shouldn't go to work drunk like this.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 02:26 PM
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14. Good. K&R
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 02:28 PM
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15. I love to see this and hope more unions follow suit.
K&R.
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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 02:49 PM
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16. Maybe the should donate a few pairs of comfortable shoes.
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bighart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 02:56 PM
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17. This is the kind of thing it will take
on a broad based level to get the attention of those in power. One group is going to make a small difference, probably just anger some in power, but if this was done by scores of unions and massive numbers of individual donors it would bring about some real change.
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:07 PM
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18. K&R
Good for them, it's what those lousy mealymouthed corporatist Dems deserve, even though it breaks my heart that our President and the congress critters don't care enough about workers to fight this anti-union trend.
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Citizen Worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:08 PM
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19. A good first step. Why not carry it further and use the resources of the Union to recruit
candidates for elective office from their own ranks? Or, use their considerable financial resources to begin building an alternative political party, like say a Labor Party!
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:11 PM
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20. You mean like they have done in Europe and Canada? Or would it be more radical/liberal?

The NDP in Canada is far more liberal than the Labour Party in Great Britain.
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Prof Lester Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 07:17 PM
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54. The British labour party was hijacked from the top down.
When your leaders are all upper middle class twits from the same universities as the tories.. well, what do you expect? "New Labour" came in after Thatcherism.. and carried on it's same insane policies.. the policies dictated by the bankers and their stooges. Neo-feudalism. Bankers--especially central bankers--love aristocrats.. because they can control them by lending them money for their extravagant insanities.. which of course are then taxed onto the people.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:40 PM
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31. How about LABOR and WOMEN -- that was always Susan B. Anthony's dream -- !!
Of course now, women may be majority of labor -- certainly, I don't think they

are the majority of union members, however????

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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 07:30 PM
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55. They already do that.
This last election cycle, Mr. Tesha and I spent quite a
while holding signs at the polls while standing next to
several IAFF members who were running for State Rep seats.
They didn't win, of course, in the Great Republican Wipe-
Out of All State Democrats, but they were there and trying
hard.

Doubtless they'll be be back.

Tesha
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:16 PM
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21. When the gop was
trying to screw over the first responders of 9/11, nobody was working harder for them than Kristin Gillibrand. I hope they remember that.
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fredamae Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:16 PM
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22. I'm Standing With The Unions!
Fuck the "corporate party". There's the "third party" for us. Initials representing a political party don't mean anything anymore.
I'm just not sure what's going to happen on the heels of this, do we want to think about the consequences or are we screwed no matter?
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Duval Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:22 PM
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23. Sorry I do not understand!WHY?
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:29 PM
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26. A snip in the OP explains EXACTLY why.

“We’re tired that our friends have not been willing to stand up and fight back on our behalf with the same ferocity, the same commitment that our enemies have in trying to destroy our members’ rights,” he said. “Quite frankly, our enemies are trying to kill us as a labor movement and union trying to represent workers and help the middle class.”

That help?

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:39 PM
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30. Exactly --- !! Corporation money doesn't only buy collaboration it buys silence -- !!
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 08:12 AM
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96. So we can elect more Republicans
That ought to please many DUers.

Julie
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 12:51 PM
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134. What a ridiculous response.
Show me one DUer who supports the election of ANY republican..
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 07:19 PM
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142. Yes, let me call out some DUers!
Take a look around friend. Those who act like the Democrats are the epitome of evil are doing the R's a lot of favors. Ya gotta wonder who they're actually pullin' for.

Julie
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 10:13 PM
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143. And, those who rationalize
right wing policies just because they're put forth by someone with a (D) beside their name, aren't doing any of us any favors.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:23 PM
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24. Silence is deadly.
Poor people are tired of the silence, also.

Votes are ...........
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Duval Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:23 PM
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25. I do understand this country anymore. WTF N/T
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:33 PM
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:31 PM
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27. K&R
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:38 PM
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29. Clinton turned to corporations because unions couldn't finance the kind of campaign ...
he wanted -- so he helped found the DLC --

which, btw, was funded by rightwing Koch Bros!!

At this point, Democrats are in a position were the last round in 2010 brought

them $1 for ever $7 that GOP got!

Maybe it's about time for them to make a U-turn and begin to fight for the public?

Oops! If the fact that so many of them are millionaires and multi-millionaires doesn't

preclude that response, the fact that they're pre-owned and pre-bribed by corporations

may actually prevent it?


The Rightwing Koch Bros. Funded the DLC --

http://www.democrats.com/node/7789

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x498414

If you knew about this, why didn't you tell us?

If you didn't know - pass it along -- !!

:)
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:43 PM
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32. Whaty is this, Redstate? Free Republic? Why the CHEERING over this?
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:48 PM
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35. Because hopefully it will send a message loud and clear to the spinless bastards in power...
...that they had better protect the common man or they will be out of office...
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pmorlan1 Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:55 PM
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38. Why the cheering?
Because it's not Free Republic or Redstate here. We stand up for Democratic PRINCIPLES. We don't just support personalities...we support the principles that they campaign on and expect them to govern using those same principles. When they don't do it we won't support them with our time or our money.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 05:39 PM
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46. exactly
the person you're responding to has it backwards.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 06:44 PM
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50. Amen.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 04:08 PM
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39. Uh. Because we are Democrats.
The unions are saying until the people in congress and the white house that call themselves Democrats start behaving like Democrats, they will not support their craven, right-wing ways.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 04:47 PM
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45. Because unions are standing up for themselves.
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Jokerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 12:43 PM
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132. Because I'm a union supporter first, and a Democrat second.
Why support the democrats if they don't support us?
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:47 PM
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33. Good. Sounds like they're pissed at the Republicans and Teabaggers...
Edited on Thu Apr-28-11 03:50 PM by SidDithers
and will be using their money to support state and local races that support the firefighters. We know who that won't be.

Edit: since you didn't do any bolding in the actual release from the Firefighters, I'll lend a hand.

The IAFF’s Political Action Committee, FIREPAC, was in the top 1.1 percent of the more than 7,100 federally registered PACs in terms of dollars raised and was the 10th largest PAC in candidate contributions in the last election cycle. It was also one of the most bi-partisan PACs. In total, the IAFF spent close to $15 million in the last election cycle on behalf of federal candidates and both political parties, helping to elect those who support us and defeat those who oppose us.

“Now more than ever, as our adversaries speak and act with a concerted, focused message, we need our friends to respond with similar strength and leadership to beat back the multi-faceted, well-organized assaults the right has launched at us – funded by anti-labor extremists like the multi-billionaire Koch brothers. And while we are fighting for our very survival, our friends aren’t doing enough to fight back -- they don’t have our backs,” Schaitberger said.


Sid
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:47 PM
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34. Damn. We MUST save the unions...
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:50 PM
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36. Good for them. Don't blame them at all. It is PAST time that the Dems in congress BEHAVED...
..like fucking Dems...:grr:
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 04:59 AM
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88. So Dems *got the message*. Will it have the desired effect?
Remember, DC Democrats are nearly as wholly corporate-owned as are Republicans. Do they *need* firefighter union money and support? I have my doubts. IMO, any positive response to union pressure will most likely be a lot of PR and very little substance.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:13 AM
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121. I fear you may be right...
..
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 12:23 PM
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131. In which case that money is better going to local elections anyway.
I decided two years ago to not support the national party with my donations - DCCC, SCCC, DNC, any of them. I don't need my money to support DLCers and the DLCers get enough corporate money they don't need mine.

It's nice to know I'm not just a voice in the wilderness.
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pmorlan1 Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 03:51 PM
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37. Totally Supportive
I support what the Firefighters are doing. Why continue to donate hard earned money to candidates that work against our interests. It's time to stop being taken for granted.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 04:10 PM
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40. Now if teacher's unions and civil employee's unions
will do the same, maybe we could get a Democrat or two with some courage and some honest words.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 04:14 PM
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41. Cool. Who are they supporting?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 06:52 PM
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52. I think they are turning resources to fight the tea party Republicans
on the front lines in the states. Giving resources to DC Democrats isn't yielding much of support.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 04:44 PM
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43. Glad to see the firefighters' union is making the same decision as many of us Democrats
who are tired of the DLC pro-corporate party of spineless donkeys.

REC.

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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 09:23 PM
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62. +1000! n/t
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dreamnightwind Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 04:45 PM
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44. I dunno
if this is good strategy or not. Why not just be more selective about which national candidates get their funding?

If unions no longer support Dem candidates, they lose their largest non-corporate source of funding. The dynamic I could see happening is that some decent Dems (there actually are some) would turn even more corporate since that's increasingly where they can get money from.

Hard to say how this will play out.

I certainly understand the firefighter's sentiment, it was sad how the people were left to fend for themselves while the Rethugs attack everything government does that benefits the people. The national Dem party was mostly worthless in this battle.

However, the goal is not to remove ourselves entirely from the party, ceding it to corporate interests. The goal is to counter corporate interests with our own. Shouldn't unions seek to increase their involvement in the Democratic Party? If not, they had better get real busy real fast building a viable alternative.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 05:52 PM
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48. When are the teachers and public employees going to throw their weight around?
With some resolve, courage, and solidarity this kind of deal could be the beginning of the turning of the tide or at the least a drawing of the lines that will flush the corporatist out into plain sight and shut the Turd Way believers up or force them off the fence.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 12:42 AM
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78. I'm ready!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 06:13 PM
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49. they will def feel the loss of the people support due to thier silience and abandonment in WI and
the Unions.

When will these congresscritters ever learn?
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 06:46 PM
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51. but we have a "D" in a circle - whats not to like!
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 02:46 AM
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86. Yeah. I get all tingly when I see that D.
NOT!
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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 06:57 PM
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53. And so the Republicans win. n/t
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 07:37 PM
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57. Maybe the "Democratic" politicians should have thought of that before they defaulted...
...on almost every democratic value.

Tesha
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 08:48 PM
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60. What does it matter when the Dems oppose the Party's own fucking platform?
At this point does it really matter what fucking letter a 'Puke has after their name?
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 11:39 PM
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74. So what?
If they lose bad enough, maybe next time the Democrats will figure out they have to offer a real alternative to the Republicans.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 08:20 AM
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98. Only if you view people don't count and shouldn't be part of
the process of a democratic republic.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 07:31 PM
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56. Perhaps it is time for some tough love.
nt


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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 07:53 PM
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58. K&R for the firefighters...
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 08:33 PM
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59. hey I am not a firefighter, but I am gonna follow their lead
fuck this bunch of DINOs
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 09:22 PM
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61. Soros did the same thing last year. He took his money out of financing candidates and put it toward
financing specific causes.

Mr. Soros, a champion of liberal causes, has been directing his money to groups that work on health care and the environment, rather than electoral politics. Asked if the prospect of Republican control of one or both houses of Congress concerned him, he said: “It does, because I think they are pushing the wrong policies, but I’m not in a position to stop it. I don’t believe in standing in the way of an avalanche.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/11/soros-i-cant-stop-a-republican-avalanche/?ref=politics
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 09:36 PM
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63. Wow. I did not know that. The right wing jagoffs keep yapping nonsense about Soros.
K&R
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 09:40 PM
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64. They're only upset because someone with billions of dollars doesn't
support their cause.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 09:43 PM
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65. Something about a bed, I think. A made one. And an obligation to lie in it.
Snuggle in tight, non-leaders. You're going to be there a while.
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 09:45 PM
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66. K & R
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 10:32 PM
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67. good for them, after the betrayal in MA today
the dems deserve this. besides the Gaytms are closed as well.
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NoKoolAideForMeThx Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 10:38 PM
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68. CAN YOU HEAR US NOW?????
I'm an EMT.. and a Proud Teamster. Maybe I need to talk to my local and see what they; and our National think about this. The $$$ we normal put in could go to our own ad campaign to explain our support for Wisconsin workers; and our disappointment in serving Democrats lack of support for anything even remotely Progressive.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 10:54 PM
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69. +1
Welcome to DU!!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 08:23 AM
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100. +2
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:03 AM
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112. You will fight for the left or be shamed and ignored by the left!
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 10:56 PM
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70. Obama woulda coulda shoulda gone to WI.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 09:55 AM
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111. ..and the fact that he did not speaks volumes
If elected Democrats want union support, they will have to act like Democrats rather than like Republican-lites.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 11:10 PM
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71. I understand where they are coming from because I share their
frustration but aren't any of you scared? Without the union we get more rethugs and we will not last through another term of their type of destruction. I would hope that they unions would at least work for and donate to the Democrats who are trying to do something.

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 08:17 AM
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97. Not scared. It's the co-dependent behavior that has left us in the lurch we're in.
The most democratic person in the Senate is an Independent. :wtf:
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:28 AM
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117. Oh, I agree with that about the independent. But we need to win this
election come hell or high water. Only the rich and the healthy young will survive what the rethugs want to and are doing to us.

As to the Fireman's Union - when they came out to stand with the others in WI didn't someone say that they usually support rethugs but this was different? So we have won without them before. In fact we have won with them working against us. So there is still hope.

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TxVietVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 11:19 PM
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73. That is the same reason I DON'T SUPPORT THE NATIONAL PARTY.
I donate to Obama and local candidates that I view as progressive, which usually is labeled with a (D). If they have NO PARTY affiliation, I would do the same.
I've written numerous letters and said in phone interviews with different Democratic Party entities that as soon as Nancy Pelosi said "impeachment was off the table" that they no longer represented me.

TO THIS DAY, the National Democratic Party and it's various election committees still don't get it.

I wish my former UNION did the same thing. Maybe someone in the party hierarchy would wake up. Time will tell.
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Mattylock Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 12:39 AM
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76. I live in Oklahoma
where the police and fire unions are Republican self-entitled assholes that could give a shit about the rights of any workers except themselves.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 12:42 AM
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77. I love the firefighters
They are ALWAYS there right in the middle of the struggle.
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mackerel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 01:44 AM
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79. Snap!
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 01:45 AM
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80. Did you all catch Rachel tonight? She had a great segment on this...
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 02:03 AM
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81. K & R
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 02:26 AM
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82. I'm only sorry that they are tarring all with the same brush.
There have been quite a few courageous Dems who have indeed fought hard and they need encouragement to keep up the good fight. I hope that the FFs' union will revisit this pledge slightly.

I can understand not contributing to the DCCC whose only interest is to elect and keep re-electing anyone with a "D" after their name, no matter how "unD" they are. But I sincerely hope that they will contribute to the campaigns of those individuals who deserve election and re-election. And some definitely do.
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 04:01 AM
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87. I would think more money would make the difference.
Citizens United has absolutely destroyed the dialogue. Pulling out the props on the last bastion, rotten in parts as it may be, seems circular firing squad-ish. Surgery, sure. Abandonment? Hmmmm. Seems ineffective to me.

A leading newspaper editor in the Weimar Republic spent all his time savaging the spineless Social Democrats; as a far-seeing progressive, he felt it was his duty to 'hold their feet to the fire'.

But when the feet were finally burned off, and the fledgling Weimar democracy collapsed, the editor and his family were among the first to be carted off the to camps.

And if you think this new breed of Hyper-Conservative isn't thinking along those lines, at least in a 'soft' sense, then you're not paying attention.

They're coming for us. They want Everything. And we'd better fight hard, and with every resource any of us possesses. This is Serious Fucking Business. Everything and everyone on this planet is at stake.

This Is It.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 06:13 AM
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89. obama/duncan are hell bent to destroy the teachers unions so...
who`s next? i`m putting my money and time to elect democrats at the local and state level. obama has all the money he needs from his new best friends .
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:16 AM
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114. Same here
I'm spamming and deleting all emails I get from DNC or any national group except DFA. My efforts and cash will be concentrated at the local level.
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 06:22 AM
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90. I stand with the unions. Good on them.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 06:23 AM
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91. If we want to survive (Unions), then this is a strategy
that we must adopt.
We can have a lot more impact on State politics instead of (obviously) wasting our comparatively small amount of political action money on Federal candidates. It is sad to see...
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 07:19 AM
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93. Who has more money, banksters or firefighters?
Who do you think is gonna win the (putative) souls of the national Dems?
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 08:04 AM
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94. I hope they transfer their support to Independents or Greens
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 08:09 AM
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95. I'm WITH The FireFighters! Glad To See Them Holding Back Even IF It's For
Democrats! Serves OUR supposed Representatives right!
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neoralme Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 08:22 AM
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99. This is huge. In a numbers game, the Democrats cannot afford to
lose any voters or supporters.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 08:28 AM
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101. will suspend all financial contributions to Democratic and Republican congressional candidates...nt.
Sid
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 08:52 AM
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104. K&R
:kick:
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 08:58 AM
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105. So what? Our congressmen can pander to Insurance
and pharmaceuticals and hospitals, and make out a lot better than any pittance from the lowly firefighters.

Corporations rock!

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 09:35 AM
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108. Hope that works out well for them. Doubt it will though. n/t
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 09:52 AM
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110. Unfortunately, Citizens United is well on its way to making Union money irrelevant.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:25 AM
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116. That was the point of the ruling. n/t
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:35 AM
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118. As ye sow ... National leaders seem more interested in playing Deficit Theater these days.
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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:44 AM
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119. republicans seem to have their contributors best interests at heart
and that is why they are so despicable.

perhaps we ought to listen to our 'freinds' as well
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:20 AM
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123. Makes sense -- why should they pay up to be sold out?
NT!

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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:36 AM
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125. In Alaska they give to the repugs.
Same as the police unions. Maybe now they see the folly of this.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 12:48 PM
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133. Firefighters won't be giving any money to Republican or Democratic candidates for Congress.

Read their statement.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 06:56 PM
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140. I did read it.
It might actually help democrats up here.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 12:04 PM
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127. I've gotten letters begging for donations
and I've essentially responded with "from now on, I donate to the causes and candidates that reflect my Progressive values."

I refuse to fund a PAC where my money goes to support people that say they are Democrats and then go on to legislate and govern like Republicans.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 12:16 PM
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129. wow-- this is big
always very disappointing Obama didn't get out and speak for union workers more directly during the Wisconsin protest..
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 01:04 PM
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136. What's that clucking sound?
Oh, it's the chickens coming home to roost.

Perhaps this is the first step in replacing the thread-bare and corrupted D. party with a genuine labor party. Also, perhaps if I flap my arms hard enough I'll be able to fly to Mars.
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goodnews Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 06:04 PM
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141. This is faaaantastic! I hope other groups that are being shafted by
these DINOs pull their support too. If money was targeted only to candidates that work for the people then maybe things can change. Put the money into grassroots campaigns and Citizen Veto campaigns etc. This goes well with the Unions pulling their funding out of anti-union financial institutions.

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