Now that we've seen every scrap of Obama's birth records can we see Bush's driving record?

[ThomWV]

Or how about the full documentation to show us that Newt was really divorced and isn't actually a bigamist?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

1. Or what about Bush's TANG record?

:shrug:

[sarge43]

5. Just his final DD Form 214 would be fine.

I'd like to know if he was ever boarded and reclassified into another AFSC after his flight status was pulled.

[Another Bill C.]

20. He wouldn't have

a "final" DD214 since he was in the Air National Guard and not on active duty. He did get a DD214 after flight training because that involved active duty.

[sarge43]

30. According to his NGB Form 22, he was transferred to the

inactive reserves to complete the standard six year service obligation. He had five years and change when he bailed on the TANG.

If not a 214, a final accounting by ARPC of his service should have been done when he completed the six years.

For the record, no active duty time was noted on the 22. No TAFMSD.

[Drale]

2. How about Bush's transcripts

from high school on because theres no way his grades where good enough to get into an Ivy League school.

[MineralMan]

3. Bush is irrelevant.

The focus should be forward, not backward.

Bush is an ex-President.

[maxsolomon]

4. war crimes are not irrelevant

more people need to know how they were cheated.

[MineralMan]

7. There will be no war crimes trial.

We have other issues that need dealing with. Bush is gone. You can keep focusing on stuff that can't be changed, but I don't have time for that now.

[MineralMan]

12. And what about Bush's driving record has anything to do with

war crimes? I'd be curious about how that's connected.

[maxsolomon]

31. So would I.

I'm just saying that the past isn't irrelevant. I'm not over that Narcissistic Fuck of a former president, and he shouldn't skate.

[eleny]

6. I've replied to you in my thread where I also asked for W's drivers license info

The thread where you pulled your finger wagging on me, too.

I see that you're still not interested in history and the presidency.

So I'll just post the url to that thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x971309

[MineralMan]

8. OK. I'm not sure what the point of that is.

My opinion has not changed on this. This is a new thread. I responded to it. That was a different thread.

It's interesting to me that you bothered to reply to my reply. To what end?

[eleny]

9. To get you to quit finger wagging at other people who are more interested in history than you

[MineralMan]

10. You're wasting your time. I will post what I wish to post here.

You may not agree with what I post. That, like Bush, is irrelevant. Your own finger-wagging at someone who disagrees with you is also irrelevant. Ironic, too.

I consider this old Bush stuff about driving record, etc., to be a complete waste of time. It takes away from a focus on things that need to be done now and turns it on things that are no longer of any use. I will write the same thing again here, when it is appropriate. Telling me that you don't approve is a waste of your time.

[eleny]

11. Asking people not to look at history is ridiculous

Finger wagging that others should follow you is hardly reasonable.

But I will follow your lead and post as I wish, too.

[MineralMan]

13. Thanks for the permission.

[eleny]

14. K&R!

[fasttense]

16. He may be an ex-President but he is still a criminal. n/t

[MineralMan]

19. OK. When you become Attorney General, you can charge him.

[bobbolink]

17. And if someone's house is burgled, they should just forget it and look forward, not backward.

:crazy:

[MineralMan]

18. Hmm...perhaps so.

My house was burgled once. The thief was not caught. I bought new locks for my doors and then forgot about it. I can replace stuff with other stuff.

Once it was clear that nobody would be caught, I let it be part of the past and learned from it. But I never really thought about it any longer.

So, yes, what you said is just about right. The past is exactly that. It can be changed in no way. It is the past. Why concern yourself with it.

Bush is a shitheel. He's out of public life and has no influence any longer. He's just another ex-President, and he's not even active about it. Forget him. Nothing we do now will change what he did, and nobody's going to charge an ex-President with war crimes. That will not happen. So, there it is.

Moving forward, now.

[bobbolink]

22. Cool! Open the prison doors! Its all forgotten and forgiven! Move on!

[MineralMan]

34. No prison doors for my burglar. Like most, he/she was never caught.

I don't know about forgiven, since I have no idea who it was. Perhaps that person needed my stuff more than I did. I don't know. Of course I haven't forgotten it; I'm mentioning it here, some 20 years later.

But, it is not something I bother with. What would be the point. I started locking the doors of my house when I wasn't home, and I bought a new TV to replace the stolen one. At that point, the incident was over. Stuff happens that I can't control. So it goes.

Do I think Bush is a war criminal? Sure I do. But, I also know for an absolute fact that no ex-President will ever be charged for such a thing. It will not happen. Again, I can do nothing about it. Do I think there's stuff hidden in his background? Of course I do. Would anything happen if proof was found of any of it? No. So, it doesn't get my interest.

As soon as he left office, my concern about him disappeared. He was no longer in a position to do anything to further screw up the country. He'd done all he could do in that regard. Time to move on. So, I've moved on, just like I've done a hundred times in my life. Time moves forward, and I'm moving along with it. It doesn't go backwards, and neither do I.

[bobbolink]

35. I know this comes as a shock.

But it isn't ALL about your experience.

There ARE other people who have experienced this.

:wow:

There ARE people who have been victims of crime who WANT to see justice.

I know that messes up your narrative protecting BO.

AND, there are people who have lost family members to those lies who WANT to see Justice.

That's how it is.

[MineralMan]

36. My dear bobbolink,

Everything I write here represents my opinion. Your opinion may differ from my opinion. I said what my opinion was. You cannot argue that what I said is not my opinion. You are free to hold whatever opinion you may have, and to express it here or anywhere else. That, however, does not invalidate my opinion.

My signature line essentially repeats what I have said above. You can read it, too.

As for my "protecting" BO, I did not mention President Obama in this thread.

I hope this has clarified things for you. Good evening.

[bobbolink]

37. You didn't have to... you quoted him practically verbatim.

And, when you stated it, you didn't state it as an opinion.. it was a very definitive GO FORWARD.

Leave the crimes behind.. it means nothing.

Except to people for whom it means a LOT.

[MineralMan]

38. That's why I have my signature line.

I write opinion. Sometimes I put forward facts, but almost everything I write on DU is opinion.

You do very much the same. It is your opinion that I quoted Obama. I did not quote him. I wrote in my own words. I have been moving forward all my life. That is what I do. That is the basis of my life. It is the structure of the way I live. Whatever happens to me, I move forward. So, I frequently mention moving forward. That President Obama uses similar words is irrelevant. If I am going to quote him, I will say I am quoting him and enclose his words in quotation marks.

Just as I post opinion, you do exactly the same in your posts. I often disagree with your opinion, as you often disagree with mine. That's not at all surprising. This is a discussion forum with many people who have opinions. My assumption is always that what someone writes represents that person's opinion, unless they are specifically quoting another person.

So, there you have it. My opinion is that it is more productive to move forward and not dwell on past things that cannot be changed. We must learn from history, but we cannot undo history. So, on we go. There really is no alternative. (in my opinion). You can add that parenthetical statement to anything you see here that I have written. That's why I include the signature line I include in every post. It is all my opinion. You needn't share it with me. I welcome reading the opinions of others.

Again, good evening to you.

[grasswire]

27. He has a brother and a whole passel of other kin...

....whose mendacity remains to be visited on us if we don't stomp the living daylights out of them every chance we get. It is a family of ghouls who make money from the spilled blood of America's youth and stole the power to send those youth to war. They stole elections, tainted the judiciary, twisted the formerly immutable rule of law, and seized power through lies, deceit and thuggery.

Don't get me started.

[MineralMan]

39. If they run, then we can go after them and bring out their

individual failings. Right now, all the Bushes are out of office. May they stay that way.

[grasswire]

40. that worked so well when George ran.....

didn't it?

I'm not trying to be snarky. I just have no truck for the sentiment you express. Zero.

[Sonoman]

15. It is sealed.

The day before the shit-head announced his Goobernatorial candidacy, the State of Texas sealed both his and The Library Assistant's records and provided them with new DL numbers.

I wish they would do that for me - I cannot risk getting behind the wheel in Texas for fear of going to jail.

Sonoman

[damntexdem]

21. Wait a minute! I still haven't seen Obama's ATM PIN.

And I haven't seen his school records from Indonesia.

;-)

[kestrel91316]

23. I want to see W's criminal record, especially the part about cocaine that got covered up.

[grasswire]

28. yep

What was on James A. Hatfield's computer that got seized just before he was suicided?

[RC]

29. Or an abortion or two, pre Roe vs Wade

[HockeyMom]

24. I want the Donald to produce HIS NYC gold sealed

BC; short or long form, and not the "Jamaican Hospital" version. People who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones. I say this as a genealogist AND NYC born and raised. I know what an official NYC BC looks like and JAMAICA Hospital is not it.

[spanone]

25. there's a different set of rules for minorities....apparently

[jpak]

26. Pickles' driving record is what we need to fear

yup

[ThomWV]

32. I believe in Texas proper young women are permitted to mow down those who jilt them

Two lessons learned here, never be caught driving north or south when Pickles is driving east or west, and never - I mean never - make the girl mad.

[Permanut]

33. How about Cheney's military records...

Or O'Reilly, or Hannity, or Limbaugh, or Armey, or Delay, or Boehner, or Kyl, or Rubio, or Santorum, or Cornyn, or Coburn, or Hume, or Blitzer, or Coulter, or Buchanan, or Kristol, or Dobbs. I'm going to be reasonable about this, any one of them will do.

Oh, wait, there aren't any?

[Judi Lynn]

41. K & R, absolutely. n/t

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

[Enthusiast]

42. Yeah!

I want to see Bush's driving record AND his military record.