another fuck up in Waukesha County???

[Lefta Dissenter]

From twitter: @kylemaichle52 Klopp Attorney tries to challenge 1 of the town of delafield ballot bags on the basis of no inspector statement

Also have been reading citizen reports on fb.

This is all my understanding of what transpired - I didn't see it and don't have transcripts.

Apparently, the inspector's statement indicated TWO bags for Delafield. Lo and behold, there are THREE bags. First two seal numbers match with statement. Third seal number doesn't match with anything, because it hasn't been listed on statement. WTF???

So Kloppenburg attorney (volunteer) objected, but somehow, they decided that bag THREE would be the FIRST BAG OPENED AND COUNTED!!! Judge sitting in for self-recused Clerk seemed to make light of objections and they went ahead and counted the ballots.

More to come, I'm sure.

[FiveGoodMen]

1. K&R

[Pab Sungenis]

2. Bring in UN Election Observers.

This is a bigger banana republic than Saddam's Iraq ever was.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

43. REPUBS HAVE BEEN STEALING ELECTIONS EVER SINCE THEY TRASHED HUMPHREY

[Frustratedlady]

3. That whole vote count sounds like it's a mess. I'd sure want an explanation.

[Rex]

4. It is so obvious by now they stole the election, all we can do is

wait and hope someone finds the 'smoking gun'.

[Sedona]

6. Jeez, an extra unexplained bag of ballots

isn't enough of a smoking gun?

[Rex]

10. Oh hell yeah! To you and me it is!

But it looks like from the article, it was treated like 'just another official' bag.

[Matariki]

20. And they decide to count it FIRST? WTF?

[midnight]

5. Thank you for keeping us informed. Do you know anything

about the judge who is being used in place of clerk?

[progressoid]

7. Why the fuck can't we get a straight election in this country with out a fuckup

[MadMaddie]

11. Until the Voting system is out of private vendors

hands and manipulated by sitting parties there will be no change. Voting Machines have no real quality protocol and most don't have paper trails.

[Supersedeas]

28. money talks louder than votes

[Scuba]

8. Not to worry Lefty, Jimmy Carter is on the way. I wish. Hang in there. n/t

[Lefta Dissenter]

9. grrrrrrrr,

so, I believe the bag was "explained" by the processing of absentee ballots through the day. How many "human errors" can one County have? :banghead:

My understanding is that this bag has been processed, and there is no chain of custody.

[undeterred]

12. Sounds very sloppy.

I have this terrible feeling the results are going to be wildly different than where we started out. And we're all going to be sitting here wondering what the hell happened in November 2010 and knowing its too late to do anything about it.

[Blue Owl]

15. If there's no slop, it's all Klop

I'd bet on it.

[Lefta Dissenter]

16. Well,

aren't you a clever little owl! :D

[mckara]

44. Sloppy or Deliberate? That is the Question!

I lean towards the latter.

[Drew Richards]

13. This makes me want to get violent

How hard would it have been and how logical, to count the correctly marked bags first and check the voter tally numbers for that precinct BEFORE committing to this unmarked bag?
The unmarked bag should be counted but left with an asterix until it is found how it was not documented and cataloged before transport.

This sounds like it is NOT a non-partisan recount.

I want Blood!

[Lefta Dissenter]

14. I don't agree with the violence part

but agree with you that the other two bags certainly should have been counted first.

The trouble is, even if the number of votes ties out with the third bag, since there is no chain of custody, we don't know if THOSE were the actual ballots voted on April 5th, or if it's the same number of different ballots. That's what the effing numbered seal is for!!!!!!!!!!!! :banghead:

[Drew Richards]

17. that was my point of the asterix

If there is no seal there is no valid chain of custody. They still need to be counted to see what that mysterious bag does to the numbers.

I'm not really into violence, I am just getting so angry at the blatant abuses of power that I perceive occurring in Wisconsin and I am helpless to do anything about it, that I was venting a bit sorry :(

there is no worse feeling than helplessness when faced with evil humans.

[socialist_n_TN]

23. Well you can always go with a non violent, but MILITANT

general strike and/or protests.

You guys in Wisconsin have been GREAT to this point at being polite, but at what point do we (as a country) DEMAND accountibility? Unfortunately, you won't get their attention by being polite.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

18. Ho-lee cows....

Can't they nab SOMEONE in this election office for ANYTHING?

[Lefta Dissenter]

19. Ho-lee cows

is that where Swiss Cheese comes from? :D

[eowyn_of_rohan]

22. Why, of course! :)

[Lefta Dissenter]

39. LOL

:rofl:

[Enthusiast]

21. WTF? Is right............nt

[eowyn_of_rohan]

24. Another witness describes yesterday's unmarked ballot bag controversy

From recount observer, Kyle Maichle, in Waukesha Co:
Day 2 of the recount in Waukesha County resulted in all of the wards in the Town of Brookfield and the Town of Delafield fully counted. Waukesha County Spokeswoman Ellen Nowak, told me that there is no change on Prosser’s lead in Waukesha County. The only thing has had change was the votes that Prosser gained yesterday in the Town of Brookfield.

After recount activity resumed after the lunch break, there was a very contentious moment when ballot bags for the Town of Delafield were about to be opened. A Kloppenburg campaign attorney challenged one of the bags due to no inspector statement written on the bag. After both campaigns huddled with the presiding judge to go over the ballot bag issue, the Clerk for the Town of Delafield was asked to testify to campaign representatives and the canvassers to determine if the ballots should be allowed. The Board of Canvassers unanimously rejected the Kloppenburg Campaign’s challenge and allowed the ballots to be counted.

More from this site:
Do note the “unanimously” above. That means Ramona Kitzinger, the Democrat on the canvassing board, voted to reject Kloppenburg’s challenge of the bag of ballots in question. Side question – what is the over/under on Kitzinger recanting that decision in the same vein of her recantation of her declaration the canvas was on the up-and-up?
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2011/04/28/wisconsin-supreme-court-recount-day-2-and-some-recall-news/

[jsamuel]

25. see that is the problem

you wouldn't expect the numbers to change because they changed 2 days after the election. The number of ballots in that bag isn't enough to account for the 14,000 ballot change, but if there are more like it, we will see.

[PeaceNikki]

26. The Town of Brookfield is different than the City of Brookfield.

Just to be clear.

[jsamuel]

29. thanks

The point would be that there would only need to be 41 or so bags county wide like that one. I don't think that Brookfield is the main problem in Waukesha County. If they wanted to do the fraud, I would expect them to take the roughly 14,000 from Brookfield, add that many ballots to the rest of the county (in unmarked bags?), and then say they accidentally left Brookfield off two days after the election. I'm not saying this happened, just that that is what I might expect if fraud occurred.

I am just glad we have people looking into this and doing the recount so that we can be sure one way or the other.

[PeaceNikki]

27. Yes, Ramona voted to count the bag.

She won't and can't "recant" her decisions in the recount. It's all recorded in official minutes and by 2 court reporters. Again, there was evidence in the bag of its legitimacy and the Board will rule on the side of not disenfranchising voters more often than not.

[Broderick]

30. Thankfully

We have you here. You are patient, calm, and well reasoned through the process.

[Lefta Dissenter]

31. PN

Didn't this include a lot of absentee ballots? Absentee ballots just have the clerk's stamp or the clerk's initials, as opposed to the ballots on election day that have two pollworkers' initials.

We need more than just the number of ballots to be squared up - we need to make sure they're the SAME ballots. If there is no chain of custody, there is no way to prove that that bag held the SAME BALLOTS that were processed on election day.

It's bad enough when the seals are still in place and documented - the county clerk is able to order seals from a variety of sources, so I don't really trust that system, either.

Here's speculation - not accusation: After the bags of ballots go from the municipality to the county, and they're in the County Clerk's custody, then in this scenario, what is to stop the County Clerk from replacing some ballots with different ones that she has "voted?" It's not hard to copy someone's initials or use a stamp with the same initials.


Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to steal the election...

[PeaceNikki]

32. I wasn't there when they counted this bag, only when they reported the totals

I was there for the other 2 bags... I think the total absentee ballots for the reporting unit was ABOUT 120. There were definitely 55 in the OTHER 2 bags. I know that because I confirmed count on those.

I agree 100% that the possibility TOTALLY exists that there was tampering and, without the seal, we can't know for sure.

I will again C&P what I've said elsewhere on this matter:

The person who filed the report claiming 10k votes has blown it out of proportion and SERIOUSLY overblown the number of votes in the bag in question.

Bill and Darcy did exactly what they were supposed to do: object. The Board did exactly what it was supposed to do: review evidence and make a ruling. That's all that can be done onsite- Objections, rulings, evidence. The rest is left to litigation.

We've had 2 bags now with suspect seals - both entered into evidence with objections. Eye-brow raising, for sure, but still not freak-the-fuck-out worthy. The elections process requires people to do a very specific set of things. People make mistakes. It *could* be something else, but right now we keep watching and keep making careful note of these anomalies. Freaking out doesn't help anyone.

[robinlynne]

35. Absentee ballots have the voter's signature on the envelopes, which are saved.

ASSUMING the chain of custody is not broken, which I wouldn't dare assume, that would be a way to know they are the same ballots. It depends exactly how the absentee ballots were stored, and of course by whom. and who witnessed their storing.

[PeaceNikki]

36. You still can't track envelope to the ballot, so the possibility of tampering cannot be ruled out

in ANY case where the seal is suspect.

[robinlynne]

38. OF COURSE!

[robinlynne]

40. it is just one way to find fraud. they dont mess with only one aspect of the election..

They do several things at once.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

45. Thankfully, we have you here.

You are patient, calm, and well reasoned through the process. ;)

[TroglodyteScholar]

49. self-delete

[robinlynne]

33. Sounds like a great judge, Republican no doubt?

[flamingdem]

34. The "smoking bag" nt

[Aerows]

37. It's just been one screwy thing after the other there

No wonder the genius recused herself - she knew there were going to be even more screw ups and she didn't want to take any more of the blame.

[PeaceNikki]

41. It wasn't her decision to recuse herself.

TPTB didn't want her near it.

[Aerows]

42. Then TPTB

have a lot more sense than I generally give them credit for *grin*.

[valerief]

46. I'll bet the third bag contains all votes for Prosser. How convenient. nt

[penndragon69]

47. FASCISM !

[MasonJar]

48. Now we know how they did it.

[SoCalDem]

50. 5400 signed in to vote...should be 5400 ballots

when the end of day tally shows 3200, someone should be looking into it RIGHT THERE........... RIGHT THEN..

Are they really that sloppy?

*
5400 & 3200 numbers created by me to make my point