247 on terror watch list bought guns

[babylonsister]

247 on terror watch list bought guns
By Mike Lillis - 04/28/11 04:09 PM ET


Hundreds of people on the FBI's terrorist watch list were cleared to purchase firearms in 2010, prompting at least one lawmaker and Capitol Hill gun-reformer to reiterate a call for tougher rules.

Of the 272 individuals on the terrorist watch list who attempted to buy firearms last year, 247 were allowed to make the purchase, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) reported Wednesday.

The findings were not overlooked by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), who slammed the current law as too lenient and urged Congress to close what gun reformers call the "terror gap."

"It defies common sense that people on the terror watch list continue to be cleared to buy weapons legally in the United States,” Lautenberg, who requested the GAO report, said Thursday in a statement. "This is a homeland-security issue, not a gun issue, and there's no reason we shouldn't be able to stop a terrorist from buying a dangerous weapon in the United States."

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http://thehill.com/homenews/news/158235-suspected-terorists-unhampered-in-buying-guns-

[ReggieVeggie]

1. Great...can't fly but I can buy a gun

and shoot at the plane

[DonP]

2. Another "progressive" fan of the Bush/Cheney Terrah list?

Bush/Cheney created a phony terrorist "no fly" watch list after 9/11 that included people like Ted Kennedy and other "enemies" and kept it going for 7 years. John Kerry and Obama both campaigned against these kind of lists with no review or due process to clear your name and no appeal process to get off of it.

Now, just because somebody says we can use the same list for "gun control", we have some so called progressives that think these lists are a great idea.

The list is one of the filthiest pieces of Bush/Cheney crap and deserves no support and should be abolished.

What are you going to support next? Tracking library books?

[babylonsister]

3. So you think everyone on that list is on there erroneously? Maybe

we need a better list, but I don't think we should dismiss everyone and claim no one intends harm. That is not the world we live in sadly.

[formercia]

6. The 'Terror List' is a political tool, conceived by Bush Gang

to harass their political enemies. They put Senator Kennedy on it for crying out loud.

I agree with most things you post, but I have to strongly object to this one, since I am on that list for no reason but disagreeing with the Bushes and their Cohorts.

[DonP]

7. If you have a reason to be on the list - file charges

The whole idea behind having a list of "questionable people" that shouldn't be allowed to fly, buy firearms or do who knows what else, is disgusting to me and others and smacks of the Cheney style secret police mentality.

We have no idea how people get on the list, if you are on it you have no appeal process and no way to get off it, unless you are politically connected.

Some of the people on the list may indeed be worth keeping track of, but how about reasonable and transparent due process for the person with a similar "arabic sounding name" that is just trying to fly his daughter to college on the East coast and winds up being held by the TSA? You don't even know if you are on the list until you try and fly somewhere.

The fact that this Bush/Cheney list still exists is deplorable, Lautenberg using this to push his struggling gun control agenda makes him despicable. New Jersey can do better and should.

What is even worse is we have people here (not talking about you) so blinded by a gun control agenda that they are perfectly willing, all of a sudden, to embrace a filthy Bush policy they screamed about a few years ago, if they think they will get more gun control out of it.

[slackmaster]

9. It's impossible to tell, because there is no process for finding out who is on the list...

...or for clearing your name if you are on it erroneously.

[Somawas]

4. Those who get on "the list" should have no rights?

No right to travel. No right to keep and bear arms? No right to free speech, religion or press? No right to due process?

Fuck that. We still have a constitution and civil liberties and such. Depsite Bush (and Obama).

[krispos42]

5. No due process or judicial oversight to get on the list.

Ergo... being on it does not strip one of constitutional rights. I bet they voted, practiced religion freely, and were secure in the persons, places and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures, too.

[slackmaster]

10. ...and there is no due process for getting OFF of the list.

It's totally unconstitutional.

[slackmaster]

8. I wonder how many of them voted, or exercised the right of free speech

The Bush era secret terror list should be eliminated.

The findings were not overlooked by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), who slammed the current law as too lenient and urged Congress to close what gun reformers call the "terror gap."

Senator Lautenberg is a fucking idiot. He's 87 years old. I think he's senile.