Waukesha Co - day 3 - THIRD DAY OF FUCK-UP

[Lefta Dissenter]

"Today's new anomaly: Delafield again. 1 of 2 bags had a corrected seal number, matching its new tag and what had been entered in journal, due to a small tear having been made at top of bag by ballots after the original seal and its number had been affixed."

First day it was that Waukesha County had "a huge problem with chain of custody!"
Second day it was that Waukesha County had fucked up.
Third day, it is Waukesha Co - day 3 - THIRD DAY OF FUCK-UP.

What on earth am I going to call it tomorrow???

[PeaceNikki]

1. This must be the unit that I reconciled the books on last night

Wards 3&4 - total voters: 847.

Or could be 7& 8 which has about 560, or 9-11 with about 850.

[librechik]

3. thanks for your input--and courage! n/t

[KansDem]

2. It continues to amaze me how we cannot conduct a simple election!

It seems every election now is fraught with some degree of malfeasance or inconsistency.

[PeaceNikki]

4. Yes, humans are involved so errors do happen

as does the possibility of nefarious actions.

There's no way around that. Ever. I'm glad we're auditing this mess.

[buddysmellgood]

22. It's so true. If only we treated votes like we treat money. With money

we get pissed if it's not to the penny. I'm glad this audit is happening.

[Cal33]

24. You are bending over backwards to be non-judgmental. I think we are dealing

with deliberate hanky-panky and falsification. Don't forget,
we are dealing with sociopaths -- sick people.

[PeaceNikki]

41. I'm not bending over anything.

[montanacowboy]

7. But it's always consistent

with REPUKES winning

[MineralMan]

13. Al Franken and Mark Dayton in Minnesota

falsify your statement.

[Cal33]

18. I've long since reached the point to have absolutely ZERO confidence in Neocons' honesty.

If it's beneficial for them to lie and cheat, they will do so -- every single time.
This is deeply ingrained in their personality and character. This is how they live.
They can change their behavior only when the fear of punishment is there.

[Scuba]

5. Thanks Lefty. At best our elections are an undisciplined mess. n/t

[Lefta Dissenter]

6. it makes NO SENSE

if the bag has a small opening at the top, you would leave the seal intact, and put the whole thing into another bag with another seal and explanation. You would NOT open the original bag and take the ballots out to put them into a different bag, and then put that bag into the original.

That makes no fucking sense.

[PeaceNikki]

8. The real outrage in my opinion

is that Kloppenburg doesn't have a paid attorney there. Leaving it to the volunteers is shitty.

[Lefta Dissenter]

9. Yes, PN,

That is one of the many outrages.

edited to add that in Dane County, not only was Jim Troupis' attorney brother there from Idaho, but a suited guy (presumably attorney?) was there wearing an identifier of Americans for Prosperity!

And the volunteers are expected to argue their cases against those guys? :banghead:

[PeaceNikki]

10. I just called and told them they need an attorney there ASAP.

(AGAIN) The volunteer attorney who spoke up yesterday isn't an election attorney and he's not available this afternoon.

[Aerows]

16. God only knows what craziness will occur this afternoon! n/t

[PeaceNikki]

28. Just pulled up at courthouse

We'll see

[Lefta Dissenter]

27. thanks PN

did you talk with Melissa, or to one of the attorneys? I also asked Jim (the attorney I work for, who is working the recount in Winnebago Co) to call the attorneys - since he's officially working right now, I figured he should make the call.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

39. The observer spokesperson is supposed to call a Klop lawyer when this kind of thing happens

I assume yours been doing that(?) It just sucks that prosser has enough $$$$$ to have lawyers in every county.

[PeaceNikki]

40. Of course she was.

Not quite as effective. We have one now, so that's good.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

42. Do you know what the response was?

This is so frustrating...

[PeaceNikki]

43. She was told to object. And she did.

And it was voted on by Board, entered into evidence and bags counted. That's how it works. Anything more goes to court.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

44. I've been gone most of the day - is there word that these issues may/will go to court?

[PeaceNikki]

45. I think it's too soon to tell.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

46. When I went in yesterday aft to the Dane Co recount there was a similar problem

I came in to silence with many people there, and no counting going on. Turned out there was chain of custody compromise. appx 93 ballots came in from Verona in a non sealed plastic bag. The Verona election workers came in and were sworn in to testify as to the chain of custody. Nothing seemed particularly nefarious, but people were troubled, understandably. Kloppenburg and Prosser lawyers were there. I am not sure if this has been ultimately resolved.

[Aerows]

11. So the bag was open?

That really doesn't make sense to me, either.

[Lefta Dissenter]

14. the clerk said

that the bag wasn't closed properly, so there were openings in the top, through which someone could reach their hand. She also said that the bag was so full that they thought it might tear. So to remedy that situation, they REMOVED THE ORIGINAL SEAL, took the ballots out, put them into a new bag with a new seal, and put that bag back into the original bag with a new seal. WTF???

There is no possible explanation for not just dropping the improperly sealed bag into a new one with new seal and certificate on it with explanation and signatures.

[Aerows]

15. That makes no sense

Wow. No chance for fraud there, with the bag having a hole someone could stick their hand into, no not at all. I agree, just put that whole bag into another bag. Doesn't seem like rocket science to me.

[robinlynne]

26. You mean the County Clerk? Is someone checking with the original poll

workers?

[lunatica]

12. Put it all into a file named Cluster Fuck

[bobthedrummer]

17. K&R-I hyperlinked your 1st fuck up thread into one of mine since this is no coincidence n/t

[Lefta Dissenter]

19. Thanks, Bob

I worked at Winnebago Co the first day, but my friend has been up there in Oshkosh for all hours of the recount so far. We have seen NOTHING like this! This is just insane! :banghead:

[Lefta Dissenter]

23. bob,

would you please add a link to your thread as a reply to my new thread?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x988571

Thanks.

oops, meant to make this another reply to your post, not my own.

[patrice]

20. K&R

[Matariki]

21. Is ANYTHING being done about these things?

Or are they just being ignored?

[Lefta Dissenter]

25. objections going into the record

but we need attorneys and money, we need money, we need money!!!

http://www.kloppenburgforjustice.com/

The Prosser team had an Americans for Prosperity guy at the Dane Co recount. Their money is endless.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x988571

[PeaceNikki]

32. We've got us a guy now, too.

He arrived shortly after I did. The unit we did since reconciled dead on. We're doing one more book then wrapping up for the day.

[jsamuel]

34. thanks for all your hard work!

[eowyn_of_rohan]

38. I would think there would be more volunteer attorneys for her

I gave money, and I am working the recounts. This is a bummer

[jsamuel]

29. 2 is a coincidence

3 is a pattern

everyone keep their eyes out for more bags that have lost their chain of custody

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. Quadruple fuck up?

Good grief. This is unbelievable.

[drm604]

31. Wait a minute...

Am I understanding this right? There have now been 3 separate instances of problems with the bags and seals?

I kept clicking on threads about problems in Waukesha, starting to read them and then saying to myself "oh that's old news, I read something about that incident yesterday".

I was wrong? These were new cases? This shit has happened 3 times now? :grr:

[jsamuel]

33. If I am right, there are 2 instances

the first 2 in the op are one in the same, the third one is a separate incident

If you read 1 and 2, they sound like the same incident, but the third one is quite different.

[deminks]

36. I think you are correct, there are 3 instances,

I will try to provide links.

# 1 is from Brookfield.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=971401&mesg_id=971401

After more than a half-hour of meticulous instructions and ground rules relayed by Waukesha County's chief canvasser, retired Judge Robert G. Mawdsley, questions were raised about the very first bag of ballots to be counted, from the Town of Brookfield.

As canvassers and tabulators compared a numbered seal on a bag with the number recorded for that bag by a town election inspector who prepared the paperwork on election night, the numbers didn't match..."


# 2 is from Delafield.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=981410&mesg_id=981410

Apparently, the inspector's statement indicated TWO bags for Delafield. Lo and behold, there are THREE bags. First two seal numbers match with statement. Third seal number doesn't match with anything, because it hasn't been listed on statement. WTF???


# 3 is also from Delafield.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/04/29/971493/-%28NEW%29-Second-Bag-from-Waukesha-County-Lost-Chain-of-Custody

"Today's new anomaly: Delafield again. 1 of 2 bags had a corrected seal number, matching its new tag and what had been entered in journal, due to a small tear having been made at top of bag by ballots after the original seal and its number had been affixed."

and

the clerk said that the bag wasn't closed properly, so there were openings in the top, through which someone could reach their hand. She also said that the bag was so full that they thought it might tear. So to remedy that situation, they REMOVED THE ORIGINAL SEAL, took the ballots out, put them into a new bag with a new seal, and put that bag back into the original bag with a new seal. WTF???


Soooooo, it looks like there are 3 instances of improper chain of custody at the very least, 2 from Delafield and 1 from Brookfield.

One is a fluke, two is a coincidence, three is a trend.

[jsamuel]

49. you're right

i didn't realize the Brooksfield bag was a chain of custody issue.

[Blue Owl]

35. The GOP fuckbags are fucking with the bags!

Unbelievable.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

37. Alright - this is ENOUGH. These ballots should be deemed TAINTED.

I am in a foul mood. This represents a breach of a crucial part of a recount - To assure integrity of the votes being counted. This is JUST the type of BS we have been looking for - now that we find it, they deny our right to reject the ballots.

This is Failure of Waukesha Co Election Board to follow GAB rules for chain of custody. This is GROUNDS to have these ballots rejected or at LEAST to allow Kloppenburg her RIGHT to have further investigation into these f-ing anomalies before they are counted. If some voters are disenfranchised, that is the price that should be paid for such gross negligence OR potential criminal actions. Maybe voters will demand more from their election board in the future.

[Keith Bee]

47. Sadly, not surprising

[eowyn_of_rohan]

48. election attorney Mike Maistelman spotted at the Waukesha County recount representing Kloppenburg

[PeaceNikki]

50. Yeah, that's our guy

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/121006014.html?video=pop&t=a&bctid=CLIP_ID_1547314

[eowyn_of_rohan]

51. Thanks. They are saying no county is receiving greater scrutiny

than Waukesha. That could be taken to imply that IF other counties were scrutinized as closely they would find similar errors... The scrutiny is as close in MANY counties right now, with diligent observers and legal reps.

I am so glad they have a lawyer on site in Waukesha. Prosser has had at least 1 in Dane Co full time since Wednesday.

[TroglodyteScholar]

52. Thanks for keeping us all informed, LD... n/t

[Poboy]

53. r'd