Think getting a US passport is a pain in the ass?

[unhappycamper]

Just wait until the DS-5513 form is approved.

Some of the stupid questions that the State Department thinks you can answer in 45 minutes:

List all your family, living and decreased.

List your mother's residence one year before your birth.

List your mother's residence at the time of your birth.

List your mother's residence one year after your birth.

Mother's place of employment at the time of your birth including dates of employment, name of employer and address of employer.

Did your mother receive pre-natal or post-natal medical care? If so, provide hospital or other facility, address, name of doctor and dates of appointments.

What type of document, if any, did your mother use to enter into the United States before your birth?

Please describe the circumstances of your birth including the names (as well as address and phone number, if available) of persons present or in attendance at your birth.

Was there any religious or institutional recording of your birth or event occuring around the time of birth? (Example: baptism, circumcision, confirmation or other religious ceremony. Please provide details including the name, location of the institution, and date.

Please list all of your residences inside and outside of the United States starting with your birth until the present.

Please list all of your current and former places of employment in the United States and abroad.

Please list all schools that you attended inside and outside of the United States.



For your reading pleasure; the proposed DS-5513: http://papersplease.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/ds5513-proposed.pdf
The original Raw Story article is here.



WTF are these bozos thinking?

[villager]

1. The bozos are thinking they want to slowly start restricting peoples' movements...

Thus, shitty flying conditions, high gas prices, hard-to-get passports, etc...

Remember, "freedom of movement" isn't for serfs. Why would they need it?

[ixion]

23. Exactly. Spot on.

[conspirator]

34. +1. That's exactly what the elites have been doing since 9/11

They want the previlege of moving internationally to be just for them

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. the closing of American society continues apace

I could most of them by the way.

[Atman]

3. "WTF are these bozos thinking? "

A virtual Berlin Wall. Once the Republicans have accomplished what they want for the U.S., they'll need to lock us in, because no sane (or un-rich) person will want to live here.

My passport expires next year. Seriously thinking of renewing it early.

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[Iterate]

Do it, but be prepared

to get back a child's pop-up book of cartoon patriotism. It's the most crude, most undignified passport on eight planets. Also be careful to avoid tossing it in the microwave accidentally for few seconds.

[no_hypocrisy]

4. I think I may renew my passport before this form becomes mandatory.

[progressoid]

5. Agreed.

That's some crazy stuff.

[End Of The Road]

6. What are the penalties for putting down false info?

And how are they going to KNOW that it's false info?

The dates of hospital appointment of my mother's obstetrician -- in 1954? How would they know if I made up the dates?

I do NOT remember the address of the house I lived in until the time I was four. HOW ARE THEY GOING TO CHECK?

If they are able to verify this crap, then they already have all the info they need on me to issue me my passport.

[freshwest]

17. You make a very telling point when you say:

'If they are able to verify this crap, then they already have all the info they need on me to issue me my passport.'

Exactly. They won't be able to verify all of it, I'll bet. That doesn't mean that you falsified the form either.

IDK so many of the answers to those questions, that I fear they'll decide I have dementia. If I did, I wouldn't want them to know!

'I don't recall' doesn't work for everyone, just repuke politicans.

[madinmaryland]

26. Heh! The house I lived in until I was four has not existed for 35 years!

:rofl:

I do have pictures of the house!

[Turbineguy]

7. It's probably just a form

for birthers to fill out.

If so, the Dept. of State is developing a sense of humor!

[HockeyMom]

8. When your BC contains LESS than Obama's short form,

yes, it can be a real pain in the ass, especially after having to explain it for 40 years. BTW, in references to all these questions, once you are 60+, you just plain cannot REMEMBER all these things. Too much water under the bridge, so to speak.

[freshwest]

20. Tell me about it! Same here.

:rofl:

[Spider Jerusalem]

9. Read the article.

It applies to people who can't provide valid documentation of citizenship in the form of a valid, certified birth certificate, registration of birth abroad to US citizen parents from an American consulate or embassy, a certificate of naturalisation, or a certificate of citizenship. It affects very few people at all; it does not affect anyone who can provide documentary proof of citizenship in one of the forms listed above. The only people who would have to apply using this form are those who cannot provide sufficient documentary evidence of US citizenship. This is not an issue; there's no reason why the US State Department should issue passports to people who can't provide proof of citizenship, after all (and this may in fact make it easier for some people to obtain passports who can't currently because of lack of documentation, for instance, not having had their birth registered).

[End Of The Road]

11. Thanks for the reminder to always read the link.

I get so mad when others jump to conclusions, and then I do the same.

[gateley]

13. Yeah, me too, and I never seem to learn. :-) nt

[Suich]

12. At last, the voice of reason!

Wonder if any of the posters in this thread will read your post...

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[freshwest]

21. Ah, yeah, I only skimmed. Now my blood pressure is easing up. Thanks.

[avebury]

31. Think about the poor people affected by Katrina and

other natural disasters. Their original birth certificates might no longer exist.

[Ineeda]

10. That's nuts.

I've lived a fairly uneventful life but could only answer two: the names of my schools and everywhere I have lived, except where I lived for my first four years. My family (both mother's and father's sides) have lived in this country for at least five generations. "List your family, living and deceased?" I have five aunts and uncles just on my mother's side and about 20 first cousins. And that question would be the easy one, relatively speaking. WTF is right!

[Rick Myers]

14. The form is ONLY for people applying without a birth certificate!

Relax...

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

19. Thank you! I was feeling screwn

I don't know the answers to most of those questions.

I'm a little foggy on parts of my past, get years mixed up, etc.

[freshwest]

22. 'Screwn!' I like that word. Stealing it now...

:hi:

[Quantess]

15. If I don't know the answers, how will anyone know?

I do not believe they have all that information. The government is not that efficient.

[freshwest]

16. Wish I'd gotten one earlier, if this 'proposed' form goes through, I'm in big trouble.

IDK all those answers, my family is deceased and former employers have either gone out of business or changed their names. I could fill some of this out from my birth certificate, though, so that may be what they're aiming at cross referencing to prove citizenship.

Some of the schools I attended have changed names as well. The houses my parents lived in have been sold off and new ones built in their stead, as have places I lived in. There is no one with all those records to ask. I don't have connections to answer these questions.

No way I can answer all of that without a handful of IDK's. Guess I better go and get one before this proposal takes effect, if it does.

[SoCalDem]

18. These are for people who cannot come up with a birth certificate

There are always people who need a passport, and for some reason, cannot come up with the required birth certificate..

Probably there are fewer & fewer of these people, as more & more old people die off. Most people who seek passports were probably born in a hospital, and probably know which state they were in. People are no longer routinely born at home.

Anyone who has ever attended public school or played sports as a kid, has had that birth certificate already handled at an early age.

[AsahinaKimi]

24. self delete

[OhioChick]

25. self delete

[cliffordu]

27. Of course I found this:

"This new passport form will not be required of all new passport applicants, and the criteria that will require a passport applicant to fill out this new form has yet to be released.  The US Department of State feels that these changes are necessary to keep the US passport as secure as possible."

I didn't know the State Department felt anything.

This story is garbage.

[villager]

28. "criteria that will require a passport applicant to fill out this new form has yet to be released"

Sounds like we'd better keep the pressure on then, rather than groveling in apologetics.

[cliffordu]

30. Better to indulge in hysterics and dishonest OP's

[villager]

33. No, really, I think you'd be better off helping the rest of us resist this stuff, instead

n/t

[jmowreader]

35. I can think of a few I'd like to see...

Display of a "Don't Tread on Me" flag.

Flying your flag at half-mast or upside-down since the day after Election Day 2008

Ownership of any garment with a tea bag attached to it

Being able to go to the "Truck Nuts" ordering website without using a search engine

Owning a copy of either of Sarah Palin's books. You have to fill it out twice if the book is autographed.

Displaying a "Freedom Is Not Free" bumper sticker without a DD Form 214 (discharge certificate) as supporting documentation

[kenny blankenship]

29. And I answer: "Go fuck yourself; I'm an American!"

"Go fuck yourself; I'm an American!"
"Go fuck yourself; I'm an American!"
"Go fuck yourself; I'm an American!"
"Go fuck yourself; I'm an American!"
"Go fuck yourself; I'm an American!"
"Go fuck yourself; I'm an American!"
"Go fuck yourself; I'm an American!"

Yeah, I think I can answer all their questions in 45 minutes.

[Bluenorthwest]

32. This is for those who lack birth certification

There has always, always been a long complex process for those who don't have a birth certificate. I keep asking folks who post these threads what the specific changes to the old method are, why they think it is or is not appropriate, and what method you would suggest instead. I assume you agree that passports should not be issued on the honor system. I also assume you do not thing those without the common certificates should simply be refused passports. So, what's the suggestion?

[Tracer]

36. Getting an Irish passport was almost as big a pain!

Here's what I had to provide:

• The completed and notarized Passport Application Form
• Mother’s Irish Birth Certificate
• Mother’s Certificate of Marriage
• Mother’s Death Certificate
• My Birth Certificate
• My Marriage License (for name change)
• Two passport photographs
• Copies of all above original documentation
• Notarized copies of:
- My current U.S. Passport
- My passport photo
- My current Massachusetts Driver’s License
- Two utility bills showing my current address

Rounding up all those forms took several weeks.