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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 04:36 AM
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Strategy for Libya: Obama Fears Setback on the Home Front
Strategy for Libya: Obama Fears Setback on the Home Front
Der Spiegel, Germany
By Gregor Peter Schmitz
Translated By Hannah Keet
23 April 2011
Edited by Heidi Kaufmann

At first, he just wanted to bomb Libya for a short period of time. Then the Europeans were told to lead. But now, Obama seems to support a stronger involvement in Libya. The U.S. president is deploying combat drones against Gadhafi's troops and sending money to the rebels — a dilemma in the coming U.S. election campaign.

Jay Carney, U.S. President Barack Obama's press secretary, wants to look ahead, toward re-election. On board Air Force One, the president’s aircraft, Carney said that his boss was feeling good during the first election campaign appearances on the West Coast. He added that speaking directly with his supporters builds Obama up. "It gives him more energy.”* But the reporters diminished the joy of the happy message. They wanted to know how the president is getting his information about Libya now that U.S. involvement is growing again. Carney's good mood vanished, ultimately because he now has to talk about murdered Americans. Only Wednesday, two U.S. war correspondents were killed in Misrata.

Even tougher questions could soon threaten Obama himself. Nevertheless, the U.S. seems to want to be more active in Libya again. The decision to use Predator combat drones against dictator Moammar Gadhafi’s ground troops and to send $25 million to the rebels for logistical support, holds great risks for the White House team. Obama could become more and more entangled in a conflict that he can score little or no points with at home. In the meantime, the majority of Americans are against the military operation; they are not sure about the aim of the mission.

There is also growing criticism that U.S. involvement could have unintentional consequences. Stephen Walt, a Harvard political science professor, wrote in his blog on the U.S. magazine Foreign Policy’s website that: "This situation is a textbook illustration of what one might call the Intervention Paradox." Walt's theory is that because the Western states did not see their vital interests as threatened, they only half-heartedly committed themselves — for example, with distanced airstrikes or drone attacks instead of with their own troops. This is dragging out the operation and will ultimately do more harm than good to the people in Libya.

After the decision to use drones, Robert Gates, U.S. secretary of defense, highlighted that Obama is still explicitly ruling out the use of ground troops. But airstrikes are already too much for many Americans; they want a swift end to the mission. Nevertheless, Obama had originally assured his citizens that it would just be a short involvement. The president is confronted with a dilemma because of this promise, as Secretary Gates unintentionally made clear. In answer to the journalist’s question of how long the operation would last, Gates answered with: “Nobody knows the answer to that question.”
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 05:29 AM
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1. Days, not weeks.
March 18, 2011

President Obama told a bipartisan group of members of Congress today that he expects the U.S. would be actively involved in any military action against Libya for "days, not weeks," after which he said the U.S. would take more of a supporting role, sources tell ABC News.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/libya-crisis-obama-moammar-gadhafi-ultimatum/story?id=13164938

It's already been weeks. Now we're sending in Predators and we're giving the rebels $25 million.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 06:17 AM
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3. another way obama follows bush
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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 09:44 AM
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5. An RED FLAG re Obama's judgement on "Intervention." Should have known of deep support for Gov
among many in Libya. Should have know the rebels were a minority faction and intervention would inevitably lead to prolonged factional fighting.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 09:49 AM
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6. Drones = supporting role.
Would you rather we be flying jets over Libya with troops on the ground?
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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 10:02 AM
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7. NATO = USA. Have a look at the data. Most Nato Control and resources are USA
Saying NATO is now in charge is just a technique to get more countries implicated and bought-in to the SCAM.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 11:06 AM
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8. False dilemma.
There are other choices.
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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 12:53 PM
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9. If it was not a SCAM, bombs, drones etc would be falling in Bahrain, Yemen, Syria etc
Edited on Sat Apr-30-11 01:02 PM by Distant Observer
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 01:55 PM
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10. I wish we'd stick to enforcing a no-fly zone
or, even better, get out altogether.

We went into this to keep Qaddafi's air force from bombing people. Mission accomplished.

Now we get sucked into escalation, because the rebels are no match for Qaddafi's ground forces.

Quagmire.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 02:06 PM
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11. That's the problem with no-fly zones.
Once we've stuck our toe into the water, they have a way of turning into another Iraq or Vietnam despite assurances to the contrary. And even if such an escalation does not occur, no-fly zones still cost money we should instead be spending on our own country.
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 02:44 PM
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14. Yes, and a NFZ is still a war
which is why I believe the Iraq war didn't start with GWB and 9/11. It started with GHWB and incubators in 1991. WJC just kept the war on "simmer" with the NFZs.

Twenty years of war in Iraq, break out the champagne.

:hi:
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 04:12 PM
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16. Yes, 9/11 was used fallaciously as an excuse to invade Iraq.
And as a consequence Cheney took his eye off the ball in Tora Bora, not that he ever really cared about avenging those attacks. The whole GWB administration, particularly those in the Iraq Study Group, should be in prison for their treason right now.

You're right, it didn't start with GWB. The neocons had already advertised their intentions for Iraq, and Libya BTW, before GWB was anything but a failed Texan governor.
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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 02:36 PM
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12. British negotiator admitted that it was NEVER about NFZ. NFZ language was tool to begin bombing
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 02:41 PM
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13. Right. And it was never about protecting innocent civilians
it was about pounding Qaddafi's troops so the rebels can be victorious, no matter the depth of their military incompetence.

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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 05:43 PM
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18.  BLOOD OF ALL CIVILIANS NOW KILLED is on OUR HANDS given repeated rejection of any negotiations
or ceasefire of any kind. The rebels and the "Coalition" are determined to keep the killing up until they succeed in their struggle for power and control over Libyan Oil resources.

They don't really care how many people are used and killed in the process.
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 05:53 AM
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2. Gotta justify that $700+ billion Pentagon budget somehow
Don't worry though, austerity has come for the rest of us.
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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 07:02 AM
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4. Intelligence told Obama there was on solid justification for intervention. But he went with Hillary

This careless use of the military could be seriously undermine the President's re-election.

It's a DUMB WAR. A war of choice, against intelligence judgement.

It is having a negative impact of stability, on prices and the image of the President as a reasonable man.

The Enemies of Obama have managed to get him do something that may get them political and financial benefits in the longer term while undermining his Presidency in the shorter term.
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 03:28 PM
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15. Any Day Now
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 04:48 PM
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17. LOL. That's the prez that signed my draft notice
Hopefully, Obama's signature won't be on any draft notices.

But if we're expanding into a third war ...
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