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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 09:01 AM
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Venezuela Imposes Windfall Oil Tax, Funds Will Support Social Programs, Education, Healthcare
http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/22332

Venezuela Imposes Windfall Oil Tax, Funds Will Support Social Programs, Education, Healthcare

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Oil companies are reporting record profits for the first quarter of 2011 - increasing 50% or more over last year.

And this comes when Republicans are forcing drastic spending cuts across the board in programs that create jobs and provide necessary services to our economy and society.

Look to Venezuela

Venezuela announced it is imposing a windfall profits tax on royalties from oil projects when crude prices are above $40 a barrel. It will cost state and foreign oil companies up to $16 billion a year, depending on the price of oil.

President Hugo Chavez decreed the tax last week. The tax rises along with the price of oil: 20% at $40-$70 a barrel, 80% at $70-$90 a barrel; 90% at $90-$100; 95% if it tops $100 a barrel. The price for Venezuelan oil is currently $94.60 a barrel.

The resulting $9-$16 billon a year will go into a development fund, which will support social programs, improving health care, education, housing, agriculture and infrastructure.

more...
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 09:14 AM
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1. K&R
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 09:14 AM
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2. this will get them added to the Axis of Evil n/t
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 10:15 AM
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6. Make that "Axis of Evil 2.0"
They were already on the original version. Remember how Bush botched overthrowing their democracy?
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 09:23 AM
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3. chavez certainly has some loyal people on his side if he can do this and stay alive.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 04:20 AM
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14. Loyalty are the corner stones of both Venezuela and Cuba nt
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 10:09 AM
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4. There's a lot we can learn from SOME of his policies.
Other policies OTOH, have me deeply concerned.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 03:22 PM
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9. Which of the other policies are you concerned about?
I know quite a lot about Chavez's policies and can try to help you understand the ups and downs of them, apart from the corporate propaganda machine and its many lies and distortions and black holes where information should be.

For instance, though rule by decree is COMMON practice in Latin America--it is a grant of power from the elected legislature to the elected president with time and issue limitations--I am uneasy about Chavez taking billions of dollars from multinational corporations by decree. It may be quite just. In fact, I have no doubt that it is. Why should they get yet more excessive profits while there are still poor children to feed and educate and many social needs in Venezuela, a country where the people own the oil? (--not Chavez's doing, by the way; he did not nationalize the oil; it was nationalized by the prior administration; what he did was to re-negotiate the contracts to give Venezuela a much better deal). Fairness aside, is it wise politically in a world where foreign powers (esp. the U.S.A.) kill for oil? Will it not double the already vicious machinations of the corporate rulers to destroy Venezuela's democracy and install a corrupt and complaint regime?

Widespread discussion and re-consulting the legislature might not fend off interference. Those who want to bring down the Chavez government don't respect democratic discussion, the will of the people or the legislature any more than they respect the duly elected president. And maybe Chavez figured quick action was more important than jaw-boning--with, every day, billions of dollars for social programs leaving the country. It just makes me hesitate, that's all. Was this wise? Also, what authority did he do it under? He has been exceedingly lawful to this point. He really has. He has not done ANYTHING outside of his constitutional and legislature-granted powers. And I would expect him to continue, but I would like to understand it better. They have rule by decree policies in many countries (Brazil, for instance) but it's foreign to us--like their frequent re-writes of their constitutions. In order to sort out reality from propaganda, as to Chavez, we need to know the details.

Anyway, I would be willing to discuss any policies that concern you that I have information on.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 07:16 AM
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16. ...
Nationalizing the oil is a great idea if you ask me. Then again I'm a communist.

The removal (or attempted removal) or term limitations, I'm not cool with at all. I'm not a fan at all of the concept of a dictator.

But what has me even more concerned are the arguably anti-semitic comments that Chavez has made publicly. Jews are fleeing Venezuela en masse to the point hat there's hardly any jewish people left there.

I welcome your explanations to that.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 10:39 AM
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23. The anti-Semitic charge has been totally debunked by Jewish groups in Venezuela.
The head of the largest Jewish group in Venezuela wrote to the Simon Weisenthal Center telling them that they had mistranslated and misunderstood a remark by Chavez about "those who killed Jesus" (Chavez very clearly was talking about the rich and powerful not about Jews), and asked them to stop. They also said that Chavez is NOT anti-Semitic and that his government has been responsive and fast in addressing threats or acts against Jews. I've read the SW Center press release and the Venezuelan Jewish group's letter asking them to correct this falsehood about Chavez, as well as many articles on this subject. I think it is appalling that the corporate press did not do follow-up on this

Somewhat later, there was an attack/robbery of the main synagogue in Caracas and the government moved swiftly to solve it, caught and prosecuted the perps. (The perps were a women police officer and associated thieves, in cahoots with the synagogue's security guard, who stole the synagogue's money and admitted scrawling anti-Jewish slogans on the walls to misdirect the police). Once again, Venezuela's Jewish groups backed up the Chavez government and said that it was doing everything possible to prevent such attacks. In this case, it wasn't an anti-Jewish action; it was a mere robbery under cover of an anti-Jewish action.

I have followed news about Venezuela very closely and have not heard a single thing about an exodus of Jews from Venezuela. Where did you get this from? It is so incendiary that I really must have a source and citation or I will just presume that it's typical rightwing garbage--like questioning Obama's citizenship.

One other thing: The Chavez administration supports equal rights for women, gays, Afro-Venezuelans, the Indigenous and all minorities. A couple of years ago they risked losing (and did lose) a national vote on a package of important constitutional amendments very likely because they included a provision for equal rights for women and gays--a controversial proposal in a country with a large Catholic population and very rightwing bishops and cardinals (who told people that the Chavez government was going to take children from their mothers). Would a government that risked so much for women's/gay rights likely be anti-semitic? This is not proof that they are not anti-semitic, but it adds to the above--information from Venezuelan Jews themselves strongly contradicting this charge against Chavez, whose government has done so much for excluded groups. It is NOT the M.O. of the Chavez government to demonize vulnerable groups, or to employ racism or sexism in any way. They are social liberals.

Also, though the Chavez government has been outspoken on Israeli government actions against Palestinians, this does not make them anti-Semitic. Many Jews within Israel and around the world oppose Israel's Palestinian policy--as do other world leaders and countries. Opposing an Israeli policy and advocating for Palestinian human/civil rights is not necessarily an anti-Israel view, let alone an anti-Jewish one. In fact, there are many people--including yours truly--who believe that justice for the Palestinians is essential to Israel's safety and well-being.

In the case of the Chavez government, it evident to me that Chavez's views are very like my own, and like those of Jewish peace groups. Opposing Israel's rightwing government/militarism is NOT the same as being anti-Israel and indeed is based on a desire for justice and peace for all, including Israelis. Lula da Silva called Chavez "the great peacemaker" in another situation (the U.S./Colombia bombing/raid on Ecuador in 2008). I think that praise is well-deserved, and that Chavez believes--as Lula does--that world peace is essential to Latin America's development, prosperity and well-being. They pursued a common policy of trying to move U.S./"western" policy away from aggression against Iran and toward diplomacy. I agree with that as well. I think that U.S./"western" war on Iran would be catastrophic for Israel (and could be catastrophic for us all, given the threat of Pakistan, India, Russia and China coming into it).

It's possible--or rather likely--in my view, that this nonsense about Chavez being anti-semitic is a rightwing/war profiteer disinformation effort. It is without foundation. It has been contradicted by all the facts that I could find. Yet it persists as a rumor. That is how disinformation campaigns work. It is also ominous, as to U.S./"western" intentions toward Venezuela. It adds to volumes of demonization items against Chavez in the corporate press and from the U.S. State Department.

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Term limits/"dictator"

"The removal (or attempted removal) or term limitations, I'm not cool with at all. I'm not a fan at all of the concept of a dictator."

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Removing term limits on the Venezuelan president was proposed in a package of 69 amendments to the constitution put to a vote of the people in 2007. The Chavista proposal lost very narrowly (by about 1%), likely for two reasons: the amendment for equal rights for women and gays, and the package was too complex (involving economic measures as well) causing voter confusion.

The Chavistas then put removing term limits--for the president and state governors--on the ballot, as a stand-alone issue, and it won, hands down.

FDR ran for and won four terms in office. Why shouldn't Chavez? He is very similar to FDR in that he has implemented a "New Deal" for Venezuelans, and, if they want it to continue, why shouldn't they be able to make that choice?

Our founders opposed a term limit on the president as undemocratic. They felt that the peoples' electors would reflect the will of the majority in the country and that the majority should have the leader they want, regardless of how often he was elected. They were meanwhile creating the "balance of power" among the equal branches of government--the executive, congress and the courts--to prevent the president from gaining too much power. But they specifically and deliberately did NOT include a term limit on the president.

After FDR ran for and won four terms in office--and saved the country from the Great Depression (not to mention Hitler)--the Republicans, in the mid-1950s--rammed an amendment through congress (not a vote of the people, as in Venezuela) placing a two-term limit on the president, in order to ensure that no "New Deal" could ever happen here again, and to begin to dismantle the one that we had (which they have very nearly accomplished).

A "New Deal" means fairness for the "little guy"--ordinary citizens, the majority--labor rights and protections, strict regulation of Wall Street and banksters to prevent crashes and ponzi schemes, and people being able to work, put food on the table, have homes and farms, educate themselves in public libraries and send their children to adequately funded public schools and colleges. It means fighting "organized money" (as FDR put it) on behalf of the poor majority, in order to create a decent and stable society.

Creating a decent and stable society takes TIME as well as public will and strong leadership. "Organized money" always has the advantage--in money, power and entrenchment. What "organized money" has in bully power, the people can effectively counter with their majority vote--by keeping those who truly represent them in office and expelling them from office if they don't adequately fight for the "little guy" or become corrupt.

FDR's "packing of the Supreme court" (a rightwing phrase) perfectly illustrates WHY the people need to keep a strong peoples' advocate like FDR in power for lengths of time. The Supreme Court in the FDR era had been appointed by the prior "robber baron" regimes who had crashed the stock market and brought on the Great Depression, with millions of people out of work, or cast off their farms, homeless and starving. FDR began instituting measures, which were passed by Congress, to alleviate this suffering, to put people back to work, to save their farms, to stimulate the economy and to control the banksters. The rabid rightwingers and predatory capitalists on the Supreme Court began declaring these "New Deal" programs "unconstitutional."

Thus, we have an example of how the entrenched power of "organized money" can continue to prevent reform, even though reform is the will of the people--and even in dire circumstances like the Great Depression. The people therefore need a strong, sustained effort by their elected leaders to un-entrench such power--which pervades many institutions, not just the Supreme Court. The rich have their clubs and their cabals. The poor have time, if they can manage to get a good leader elected.

FDR tried to jumpstart reform of the Supreme Court. The U.S. Constitution does not specify the number of justices. Congress can add justices if they vote to do so. FDR proposed a measure to Congress to increase the number of justices on the Supreme Court, to add some younger justices to balance out the rightwingers who were preventing reform and aid to the ravaged poor majority. The reaction of the rightwing press and "organized money" was so wild ("Dictator! Dictator!" they cried, for FDR proposing a VOTE on something), that FDR withdrew the proposal, but his cagey pressure on the court caused one justice to change his mind about "New Deal" programs. Thus, Social Security was saved!

This is how a strong leftist (majorityist) leader works to serve the public and the interests of the country against "organized money." Bold, firm, intelligent, cagey leadership. And if what he is doing is legal and if what he is doing is right and necessary in the opinion of the people, and he needs time to finish difficult reforms, why shouldn't the people be able to re-elect him?

FDR did NOTHING illegal. And that is another parallel to Chavez. FDR was merely manipulating the government/political system as well as he could, within its limits, to benefit the people. Similarly, Chavez has done NOTHING illegal. His government has, in fact, scrupulously adhered to powers authorized by the constitution and the legislature. Has he been bold? Yes. Has he been a bit high-handed at times (so like FDR)? Yes. Is he doing the will of the people? Clearly.

In 2006, the Chilean Latinobarometro poll reported that Venezuelans rated their democracy highest in Latin America, except for Uruguay, and first in Latin American on public participation criteria. Recently (last week), a Gallup poll reported that Venezuelans had rated their country 5th in the world on Venezuelan citizens' feeling of "well-being." (Venezuela beat out the U.S. which came in 12th.) These, and Chavez's many electoral victories--in an election system that is far, FAR more transparent than our own--indicate that what we have, in Chavez, is an FDR--not the "dictator" bogeyman that has been foisted upon us by the corporate press and other propagandists for the rich, but in truth a good and decent leader who is leading a reform movement not just in Venezuela but throughout Latin America, where numerous other leftist leaders have been elected and are in coalition with Chavez--including the leaders of powerful Brazil--to reform the region on social justice and other issues.

The rightwing/corporate forces always try to demonize strong leftist/populist leaders as "dictators" because "organized money" does not like to be told that they can't have ALL the money. They have to pay their fair share of taxes. They have to pay fair wages. They have to obey laws and regulations. They can't cheat and fleece the poor. They can't monopolize markets. They can't ravage the environment for profit. They can't bully the government because the government is not theirs--it is of, by and for all of the people.

In the case of Latin America, we are not just talking about internal rightwing/"organized money" forces, but transglobal corporations and the U.S. dominated World Bank/IMF, which have been bullying and ravaging Latin America without mercy for several decades. Latin America had their Great Depression a decade before we did--and that is why they have elected "FDR"'s all over the region, to create a "New Deal" for themselves.

I am going to conclude my treatise on "Chavez the dictator" with a quote from Lula da Silva, president of Brazil. He said, of Chavez: "They can invent all kinds of things to criticize Chavez but not on democracy!" This is a neighbor leader who knows Chavez well. They met monthly to discuss common goals and projects. But really, the person we ought to consult is the poor barrio mother in Caracas who always longed to read books and be educated but who couldn't afford books, and had to drop out of school to work to feed her children, one of whom, a teenager, was in rebellion and had joined a gang. A Chavez government social program contacted her, gave her a subsidy so she could return to school (where she is training to be a nurse), paid for her books and transportation, and furthermore convinced her teenage son to return to school and leave his gang. He has now become a social worker himself, working to get gang members back in school and into productive lives.

This mother and thousands like her have no voice in the corporate press, and almost no voice on the internet. I read her story at www.venezuelanalysis.com. Thank God for the alternative information at that site!

Tell me this is a "dictatorial" government. "Dictating" to whom?
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 11:41 AM
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24. Hugo, is that you?
It's more to do with Chavez's relationship with Iran and anti-israel remarks.
The second link does offer some addional reasons yet does go on to say that it's not so much anti-semitism in the traditional sense from other people in the country.

Then again... link #3...

Not that you're going to believe any of these but..

http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=186636

http://www.forward.com/articles/119071/

http://www.cjnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17324&Itemid=86
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 04:44 PM
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25. Typical anti-Chavez propaganda ploy: I'm a "Chavez lover." You can't answer hard facts...
...and thoughtful analysis, so you attack ME.

"It's more to do with Chavez's relationship with Iran and anti-israel remarks."

WHAT is "more to do with Chavez's relationship with Iran and anti-israel remarks"? Are you saying that Chavez is anti-semitic? Is that your "it"? Are you saying that Jews are fleeing Venezuela in droves because Chavez is anti-semitic? Is that your "it" that has "more to do with Chavez's relationship with Iran and anti-israel remarks"?

Where is your evidence for either thing? And if you can't produce any evidence for Chavez anti-semitism or Jews fleeing Venezuela because of his anti-semitism, then there is NO BASIS for believing that "Chavez's relationship with Iran" is any different than Brazil's relationship with Iran or is anything other than a NORMAL foreign policy of the Venezuelan government and there is NO BASIS for believing that Chavez's criticisms of Israel are anything but that--criticisms--valid criticisms, in my opinion.

Is Israel above criticism? It is not. Is Israel endangering itself and its citizens with its rightwing Palestinian policy? Yes, in my opinion, it is. Has Israel's rightwing government influenced the U.S. government to be more militaristic, warmongering and in the thrall of war profiteers? It most certainly has!

I have a lot of criticisms of Israel's government. That does not make me anti-semitic or anti-Israel. Nor does it make Chavez anti-semitic or anti-Israel. You can believe that Israel, the Palestinians and Iran all have rights that need to be worked out peacefully without being anti-one or pro-the other, and without being a racist.

I do not take charges of anti-semitism lightly. And false charges of anti-semitism are especially foul, because of the history of oppression of Jews that goes back several thousand of years in western culture and culminated in the horrors in Nazi Germany.

This is not a casual matter with me. Like the insane rightwing attempt to associate Chavez with Hitler, that I have seen here at DU, it is FOUL PLAY.

So either you come up with EVIDENCE that Chavez is anti-semitic--if that is your "it" that you think is the reason for Venezuela's relationship with Iran or Chavez's criticism of Israel--or you drop it and disavow it. This is slander. This is dirty pool. If you are an ethical person, you will state clearly what you mean, and, if it is this horrible charge--anti-semitism--you will back it up with EVIDENCE.

One more thing about your framing of this matter: Chavez has criticized Israel. He has NOT made "anti-Israel remarks." This is an important distinction because everybody knows that Israel is vulnerable, despite its alliance with the U.S. and its defense system. And it's a relatively new country, which makes it vulnerable to charges of "why are you there?", "what right do you have to be there?", etc. These views don't wash with me at all. I think Israelis have an inherent and historical right to be where they are. My criticism of Israel is NOT anti-Israel. And neither has Chavez said anything that is anti-Israel. He has criticized what Israel's government is DOING, not their right to be a country. He has made no threat against Israel's existence. Israel's rightwing government would like everybody to believe that any criticism of them threatens Israel's existence--when the opposite is true, in my opinion. Criticism is good. It can lead to better policy.

Israel's rightwing government reminds me of Colombia's bloody-handed leader Alvaro Uribe who said that everybody who opposes him "is a terrorist." Well, I thought Colombia would be lot better off without Uribe. Does that mean I wanted Colombia to be smashed up or broken up? It does not. Israel would be a lot better off without its militaristic rightwing government and I will be very glad if they get ousted--because I think Israelis will be safer without them and they have the potential to be a very positive influence in the region and the world, if they could shed their militaristic mode of being and elect a decent government, unattached to war profiteers, here and there.

We really have to get past this notion that criticism of Israel is "anti-Israel." That is a very unwise and undemocratic notion. "Critics, be silenced!" is what it says.

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Your 1st link: Jerusalem Post. Cohen, head of the Confederacion de Asociaciones Israelitas de Venezuela (CAIV), an umbrella group representing Venezuela's Jewish community, says NOTHING about Chavez or his government being anti-semitic, and in fact says he has good relations with the government.

As for Jews leaving Venezuela (their community is half the size that it was a decade ago), Cohen attributes this to:

1) high crime rate in general,

2) lessened economic prospects (my read, the Chavez boom of 2003-2008 is over, although it would be interesting to know where these Jews have gone, because the Bush Junta-induced Depression hit worldwide; it hit everybody, but actually Latin America is faring pretty well because of their prior rejection of World Bank/IMF policies--so, really, where have they gone, and why?), and

3) attacks on the Jewish community. He mentions 200 incidents--I think over the decade, but I'm not sure---but the incident he cites was a TV ad during a World Soccer Cup final, which criticized Israel on its Palestinian policies. He segues criticism of Israel into being "anti-Israel." Criticism of Israel--in this case, open public criticism in a TV ad--is NOT "anti-semitism." Showing Palestinian women and children with the line, "This is not a game," is NOT an aspersion on the Jewish race. It is simply a criticism of an Israeli policy. Perhaps some of the other 199 incidents were not so clear--and that some critics are either sneakier or themselves segue opposition to a policy into "anti-semitism." I don't know. The article is not detailed enough.

But this article simply does not support the charge that Chavez or his government are anti-semitic. They have said nothing and done nothing to merit that charge.

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Your second link: The Jewish Daily Forward. This article specifically and repeatedly CONTRADICTS any charge of anti-semitism by Chavez or his government, by Venezuelan Jews themselves, and one Venezuelan Jew says she feels NO anti-semitism in Venezuelan society!



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Your third link: The Canadian Jewish News. This article is so biased and its interviewees seem so pre-selected to provide anti-Chavez views, that I really don't trust this information. For instance, among the main interviewees are the Rosenbergs who want to get Canadian citizenship by the "front door, if possible"--getting jobs and applying for citizenship (preferred route)--or, by the "back door"--claiming to be "political refugees." They have a MOTIVE for establishing a public record on political persecution. But the part that really makes me suspicious of the publication and its writer is their perpetration of a rumor that Chavez wants to convert to Islam!

"Additionally, according to popular rumour spreading throughout Venezuela, Chavez is flirting with conversion to Islam, the Rosembergs said."

I mean, come on! This is rightwing garbage exactly like the rightwing garbage here about Obama! It is scurrilous! Anyone who would believe it is a rightwing lunatic. And anybody who would spread it has an agenda--like the Rosenbergs and their Canadian citizenship agenda, or worse. And it is downright unethical, on the part of the publication.

"...spreading throughout Venezuela...," indeed. Scumbag rightwing journalism.

Way down in the article, in the context of criticism by the Rosenbergs of the Jewish community leaders in Venezuela, the article discloses that "all (Jewish) institutions in Venezuela are protected by the police" and that "the government acted well" in regard to threats against them, according to Fred Pressner, a past president of the Confederation of Israelite Associations of Venezuela (CAIV)

The article writer then adds this: "However, allegations of the Chavez regime’s anti-Semitism won’t go away"--and proceeds with more of the Rosbenbergs' Chavez-bashing. (“'There’s no question Chavez will continue to harass the Jewish community,' Jonathan said.")

Where is the evidence that Chavez has harassed ANYBODY? There is NO EVIDENCE for it. Many Venezuelan Jews specifically say it's not true. Venezuelan Jewish leaders say that the government has responsed well to any incidents.

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I just want to add one thing: IF anybody has scrawled anti-Israel or anti-Jewish slogans on any Jew's home or business, or threatened Venezuelan Jews in any way, for any reason--whether anger at Israeli policy or anti-semitism or (as with the robbers of the synagogue) as misdirection--I utterly condemn it, and, like the Chavez government, I would do everything in my power to catch and punish the perpetrators. This is not to be tolerated in a decent society. I condemn the targeting of individual Jews who have no responsibility for Israeli government policy--and may even disagree with it. I condemn attacks on human beings for any reason whatsoever--even politicians I despise and think should be in jail. I condemn racism itself, and anti-semitism in particular. And I abhor the scurrilous use of racism and anti-semitism for any purpose including slandering an innocent leftist president and adding to the heap of false crap that has already been thrown at him.

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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:41 PM
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26. OK you win.
Hail Chavez.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 10:12 AM
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5. Hoy boy.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 10:17 AM
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7. Must. Invade. Now. Socialism must be stopped immediately, or
it will spread throughout the hemisphere, drastically cutting corporate profits.
:-)
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 02:06 AM
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10. Heh.
Yep.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 02:18 AM
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11. oh, there is nothing they'd love more. make no mistake, it's on the "long-term goals" list. nt
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 12:28 PM
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8. Time for some more Humanitarian Freedom Bombs.
BTW: Qaddafi did much the same thing in Libya in 2009
before he became a threat to America.


http://www.infowars.com/in-2009-gaddafi-proposed-nationalizing-libyas-oil/
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 09:46 AM
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21. Thanks for the link Bvar. I remember when it was first reported.
I was certain Chavez was on Bush's assassination hit list until senile Pat Robinson spilled the beans. Do you remember that? It was sort of oddly funny.
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Gravel Democrat Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 02:18 AM
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12. puntapié y recomendamos
"...The resulting $9-$16 billon a year will go into a development fund, which will support social programs, improving health care, education, housing, agriculture and infrastructure..."

But we're doing that stuff!

In Afghanistan...

Hugo better be prepared for some "humanitarian bombing". Of course, he probably has a better grasp of US history than many living in the empire...Which would be funny if it wasn't so damn sad.

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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 02:27 AM
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13. We better get that "Evil-Doer"! (n/t)
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 05:08 AM
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15. We should nationalize oil and other extraction industries. n/t
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 08:00 AM
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17. Chavez.Must.Be.Stopped! To take from the Kleptocrats and give
to the poor? Who does he think he is Robin Hood?
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mountainlion55 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 09:05 AM
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18. You go Hugo
Right-on my man. Lead by example Mr. Chavez. Our prez does, its just the wrong example!:smoke:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 09:08 AM
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19. And we are serious about cutting the deficit.
This is one of the first places we should look, in my opinion.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 09:32 AM
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20. kick, too late to rec
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 10:07 AM
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22. Kick
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IrishBuckeye Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:44 PM
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27. Nationalize the oil companies
It's a national security issue.
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:48 PM
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28. The state is going to impose extra taxes on the state-owned oil company
:rofl:

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