Stoners are DESTROYING the PLANET!

[TheCanadianLiberal]

"Marijuana causes, uh, climate change

By Andrew Orlowski • Get more from this author

Posted in Environment, 13th April 2011 14:16 GMT

"Let's find out what everybody is doing – and stop them doing it" – A P Herbert

Stoners are helping destroy the planet. Not by excessive snacking, but thanks to the high-energy demands of indoor marijuana cultivation. So says a US Government policy analyst with a Puritanical streak and an EYE for a SHOUTY HEADLINE.

Evan Mills, who works at Lawrence Livermore Labs but conducted the study in his own time, estimates that indoor pot growing accounts for 1 per cent of energy usage in the United States, with each spliff representing two pounds of CO2 emission. Heavy.

About 32 per cent of energy in the cultivation process is used by lighting equipment, including motorised lamp rails; 26 per cent by ventilation systems and dehumidifiers; 18 per cent by air conditioning; and the rest... uh, we can't remember. ..."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/13/marijuana_thermageddon/





Just more reasons why smoking pot is bad.

[LiberalLoner]

1. Might want to correct spelling in the title...I was wondering why on earth STONES were wrecking the

planet, LOL!

[mzteris]

4. Mick & Keith

are doing some damage, eh?

(That's what I thought when i read the OP title!)

[dflprincess]

6. I read is THE Stones and couldn't figure out how Mick, Keith, etal were destroying the planet

My hearing maybe (still play their records too loud), but the planet?

[Kurovski]

41. I have no idea what's goin' on.

[Vanje]

57. This thread started out with the title: "Stones are DESTROYING THE PLANET"

"Stones are DESTROYING THE PLANET!"

I shit you not.


Then the very single-minded OP edited.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

113. Simple error

We made a simple error and then fixed it.

[FarLeftFist]

114. Or we could legalize it and allow it to be grown on our own properties....

Without the need for stealthiness. Boom, problem solved.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

116. Or...

People could stop growing it. Boom! Problem solved.

[FarLeftFist]

117. Or

We could allow people the freedom to choose whether they want to grow it or not. Boom, Bam, Pow! Problem double solved.

[Warren DeMontague]

121. "We"?

Is that the boys on the D.A.R.E. internet rapid response keyboard kommando team?

or the "royal we"? :shrug:

[EOTE]

177. There's more than one of you?

Are you all such shitty spellers? You know, you continue to make more egregious errors on a near daily basis and haven't attempted to fix them yet, you're more than welcome to. Can I ask why you want everyone else to be as insanely close-minded as you are?

[Fuddnik]

190. They were talking about Keith Stone.

And his cheap, pisswater beer.

[meow mix]

14. lol we must stop the stones!!

:spray:

[Initech]

56. Maybe that's why they couldn't get any satisfaction.

[arcane1]

2. Correction: more reasons why prohibition is bad n/t

[progressoid]

7. +1

[TheCanadianLiberal]

148. -1

[DBoon]

21. marijuana grows fine outdoors

people grow it indoors because snoopy neighbors and police fly-over surveillance will get then arrested if they grow it outdoors

Legalize personal cultivation and the market for gro-lites and hydroponics will collapse

[reggie the dog]

33. the cops choppers really do bother us

but if you are smart and small scale you can make several plants blend in to the landscaping of a yard.

[Vanje]

51. Like! nt

[Taitertots]

42. It just grows much better indoors

Especially during the winter.

[reggie the dog]

52. true, but if you have a big enough outdoor harvest in the fall you can smoke

all year long for free

[TheCanadianLiberal]

149. Or perhaps everyone could stop using and growing it!

problem solved.

[ZombieHorde]

24. Correction: more reasons why fossile fuel use is bad.

"Our energy choices are bad, let's get the outlaw gardeners!" = Not very good critical thinking skills.

[baldingrockwarlord2]

3. Here, I thought...

Here, I thought Keith, Mick and the boys were gearing up for another tour......:)

[mzteris]

5. gmta!

welcome to DU!

:hi:

[baldingrockwarlord2]

10. thanks but.....

been here for years, just don't post a lot:)

[mzteris]

16. oh well

:hi: anyways!

:)

[Vanje]

8. Grow weed outside

Its a win/win !

[Maine-ah]

9. easy fix

legalize, let us grow it outside or in a greenhouse.

[Phoenix63]

11. Shouldn't the title of this thread be

"Draconian Marijuana Laws Destroying The Environment"?

[Warren DeMontague]

45. No.

Clearly, the $40 Billion we spend locking up people for smoking a harmless plant isn't enough.

MORE DRUG LAWS! MORE DRUG WAR!!!

:crazy:

[obxhead]

12. We MUST put an end to this.

Legalize it so we can grow it in the back yard! ;)

[meow mix]

13. always posting the anti-pot agenda with so much else to "concern" over

im glad your canadian
:rofl:

[AlabamaLibrul]

15. posting loooong disseminated and discussed news and a single-issue agenda

weird

[Phoenix63]

18. Wait.. was the OP serious?

Really? When I saw the "another reason pot is bad" comment I thought it was a joke...

[TheCanadianLiberal]

19. I am serious...

Pot is bad and this is just another reason to add to the list.

[Phoenix63]

20. No my friend, you are clueless..

Really, Really clueless.

Clueless about Marijuana, clueless about the Laws, clueless about it's history, clueless about it's uses and in a big hurry to blame the smokers for it being illegal.

There are so many things wrong with your post I can't even begin to address your level of ignorance on Marijuana.

I can say however that blaming pot smokers for global warming is about the dumbest thing I have heard in years. Are you getting paid for this or something?

[reggie the dog]

34. Just smoke outdoor grown and the problem is solved.

It actually tastes really good most times when you grow your own, and outdoor growing is the easiest by far except for helicopter patrols by the cops. You have lots of great outdoor growers all across canada. quebec gold is a great variety grown mostly out in the woods.

[reggie the dog]

35. Pot is so bad that the shirt i am wearing right now is made of cannabis

otherwise known as hemp, which was outdoor grown.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

115. Hemp does not equal..

pot. They are of the same spices but are different in the fact one won't get you high.

[Warren DeMontague]

143. Spices?

Which Spices gets you Stones?

[moriah]

37. As long as you also say that tobacco and alcohol are bad, I'll agree with you.

Also video games, junk food, and everything else that is psychologically addicting and harmful in excess.

Which includes just about everything. Moderation is the key.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

59. Not quite...

They are bad but not as bad because they don't lead to harder drugs like pot does.

One day it's pot the next it's cocaine.

[saras]

63. A lie, or the Dunning-Kruger effect

You can't possibly know enough about drugs to make claims about the 'gateway drug' hypothesis WITHOUT knowing that it has been disproven, generation after generation, through the entire twentieth century. Any more than you can KNOW that the earth is really flat.

You can BELIEVE that the earth is flat, but there's no way to gather enough information to make a reasonable conclusion about the shape of the earth without coming to the same conclusion that everyone else has, which that it's a slightly irregular oblate spheroid, and it is NOT flat.

Likewise with the 'gateway drug' hypothesis. You can believe it in the face of the facts, but you can't find facts to support it in this universe.

[JonLP24]

65. Are you serious?

Maybe you should try some to realize how ridiculous that is.

It less addictive and less harmful than tobacco and alcohol and you are saying it is the lesser drug that is leading people to cocaine?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

72. It's not the lesser

You should know that.

[JonLP24]

73. Of course it is

Tobacco is more deadly and alcohol impairs you far worse. Plus, both are more addicting than grass.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

76. Except

Pot is illegal which leads people to other illegal drugs. We need to fix the problems at it's source and catch those growing for profit.

[Vanje]

80. "We"

again

[TheCanadianLiberal]

85. Yes we.

we, we ,we

[JonLP24]

84. There it is

If it isn't illegal, there wouldn't be illegal channels.

That is besides the point, people who are curious about intoxication will test out multiple substances and that includes cannabis as well as tobacco and alcohol. People who use cocaine will likely use other substances such as tobacco and alcohol. They may have started with cannabis but I'm willing to bet just as many if not more started with alcohol.

There is nothing with cannabis that would make someone desire other drugs, especially powerful stimulants.

[justabob]

100. most people I know did hard drugs first (besides alcohol)

It was the trendy shit like x and coke in high school, along with lots and lots of alcohol (late 80's for context). I didn't settle down to just pot until much, much later. Most of my friends are the same way, fwiw. I think there are a lot of people who choose the harder stuff for the simple reason that you can still pass a drug test. Pot stays with you for weeks.

[JonLP24]

102. I think there it is a lot of truth to what you say

I was where there were random drug tests and very few smoked cannabis compared to those that used hard drugs for precisely the reason it stays in your system. Most drank heavily.

I also agree about settling with pot. A few friends who used to use a lot of different stuff now just use cannabis and alcohol these days. I personally only drink to watch a game at a sports bar and that is just 1 or 2 beers.

[EstimatedProphet]

92. Another one!

Another non sequitur from you. Are you now trying to claim that because pot is illegal, it leads to harder illegal drugs, so the solution is to keep it illegal? That's twice now, in this thread alone. Let me break this down for you. The statement "A therefore B, so to remove B, keep A" makes no logical sense whatsoever.

[EOTE]

185. My god! What have I done?

If you're looking for logic with this one, you're barking up the wrong tree.

[EstimatedProphet]

212. Oh, I know I can't get blood from a turnip.

[EOTE]

183. Wow, just when I thought I had heard the heights of your bad logic.

So, let me see if I've got this straight. Because pot is illegal, it leads its users to try other illegal drugs. So pot must never be legal so that people never are led to these illegal drugs by using a legal drug? My god, the contortions your brain cell must go through to believe this crap.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

191. You missing the point

and misinterpreting my opinion.

[EOTE]

192. No, YOU missing the point.

And christ, if this is what being sober does to one's grammar and spelling skills, I want nothing of it. Really man, the anti-cannabis movement couldn't ask for a better spokesdunce.

[Vanje]

74. Uh. No.

Who the hell is paying you to be this stupid?

[Warren DeMontague]

122. If I had to guess, it's the taxpayers.

[Vanje]

68. Silly

You are

[fishwax]

98. .

:rofl:

[moriah]

103. Part of the reason for that....

... is the entire "Drugs are bad, m'kay?" philosophy. Take the movie "Reefer Madness", for example. Yeah, it's old. But it's a gross exaggeration of the effects of marijuana. While most things we teach children nowadays are not that extreme in their exaggeration, we teach that marijuana is just as bad as cocaine and "harder drugs" by lumping them into the same category.

Then kids go out and meet a stoner, and see that the stoner isn't killing anyone. Isn't robbing stores to pay for their habit. Generally isn't getting behind the wheel high. They might try it themselves, and see that the delivery system isn't much different from cigarettes.... they aren't having to shoot up to get high. That the effects are like drinking a beer. And beer's legal, right?

Then they wonder... is cocaine really as bad as they said it was? After all, they exaggerated about marijuana, right?

The only way marijuana is more of a gateway drug than alcohol or tobacco are is that it's illegal. It does make it harder for a person to respect the law when they see a substance is fairly innocuous but illegal, but yet there are mind-altering substances that kill many more people each year and are still legal. It lessens the deterrent value of making harder drugs illegal.

--------

I grew up with a very different education because my father was addicted to crystal methamphetamine. He caught HIV from sharing needles he used to shoot it in 1992 when I was 12, and died in 2009. (They divorced when I was three.)

I was taught by my mother from an early age that cigarettes were not going to kill you in the short-term but bad in the long-term because they caused cancer and COPD, but since they were very addictive both physically and psychologically that it was best never to start. I was taught that alcohol was okay in moderation, but that you needed to look very closely at why you decided to drink before indulging.... that drinking to escape a problem was bad even if you only had one drink. That some people were able to drink in moderation and not have a problem with it, but that some people couldn't.

Mom went further than that though, and taught about *all* of the mind-altering substances she could think of. That pot was like alcohol except that it wasn't good for your lungs to smoke anything, and there was an additional burden of it being illegal. That pills prescribed by a doctor, when taken as prescribed and for the reasons they were prescribed, are generally not psychologically addictive but if you start self-medicating that you can get psychologically addicted, and that many cause physical dependence even taking them as prescribed. That psychedelics were generally not addictive and some people had fun with them, but were not universally fun and that a bad trip can be psychologically damaging... and that if I ever wanted to try them, that it was *essential* that I be with people I trusted. And that white powders were universally bad, addictive both physically and psychologically, and had horrific nasty health effects. Dad being diagnosed and allowed back into my life was a very big teacher for me about health effects.

Starting when I was 13, at Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter, and New Years Eve, I was allowed a glass of wine under parental supervision so I would know what it tasted like and know what a small buzz felt like. It was okay but I really wasn't that fond of it. I was told that if I ever wanted to drink more to come to one of my parents. I was also told that if I ever wanted to try pot, to come to them. And when I hadn't yet tried it before I went to college, my father (with my mother's knowledge and consent) got some very high-quality pot and had me smoke a little with him... so I'd know what it felt like and what "good pot" actually was so if I ever did want to buy some I wouldn't get ripped off. I wasn't that fond of pot, either.

And as I grew up and then was a grown-up and saw other people using substances, I NEVER had the thought "Wow, my parents lied to me.... maybe they lied about white powders too?"

[Truth2Tell]

180. You had an enlightened mom. Thanks for this post,

as a dad I learned from it. :thumbsup:

[scorpiogirl]

119. You are so wrong.

I'm a pot smoker for 10+ years. Never even thought to try anything else. Gateway, schmateway.

[Vanje]

145. Willie Nelson turns 78 today

"Willie Nelson turns 78 today & I hope someone warns him that cannabis is a gateway drug to heroin before it's too late." ~ John Fugelsang

[TroglodyteScholar]

127. One day it's pot...

...15 years later it's still pot. That's the case with my best friend, anyway, who has never so much as been in the same room as cocaine (not knowingly anyway).

But you're right, I probably just didn't notice he's all coked up.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

134. He's only....

One person. Just because it did not lead to harder drugs for him does not mean it didn't for millions of others.

[TroglodyteScholar]

153. You're right. "Millions" prove your position while there's only one guy to support mine.

Argue dishonestly much?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

157. Nope.

none here. The stats say otherwise

[TroglodyteScholar]

160. I'm sorry, did you provide those stats somewhere? n/t

[TheCanadianLiberal]

164. No but..

they are easy to find and common knowledge.

[Forkboy]

166. If they're easy to find, get a-diggin', Pilgrim.

[TroglodyteScholar]

193. Clearly you don't need any weed...

...you're already lazy enough.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

195. AH!

So your saying people who smoke weed are lazy by saying I'm lazier then them!

[TroglodyteScholar]

206. No, I'm just saying you're lazy.

Based on your first rigidly prejudicial position, I played off an assumption about your other likely perceptions. Looks like I wasn't mistaken.

One more thing. Your = belongs to you. You're = you are. It's really not that hard, even for someone with a criminal, deviant, weed-addled mind.

[TheKentuckian]

139. How many decades does this transition take, I've been waiting to move on to crack

it seems like all my life. I think it will help me drop a few pounds.

25 years and I don't even get a lousy heroin addiction!

A brotha can't get a hit of meth?

This gateway is bullshit man, its a damn cultisac! I got screwn!

[TheCanadianLiberal]

146. I know what I'm talking about.

Just because it diden't happen to you does not mean anything about the millions who it did lead to hard drugs.

[TheKentuckian]

152. You seem mad uninformed to me. What it is it that you think you know?

[TroglodyteScholar]

154. Certainly not how to make an effective argument.

"Your case is an exception. Millions prove otherwise." In other words, he lived through a tale that didn't end well...whether it was him or an acquaintance, who knows. But his anecdote is absolute proof of the validity of his rigid view. YOUR anecdote (and mine) are just isolated cases.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

156. The stats agree with me.

look em' up

[TroglodyteScholar]

161. It's YOUR position and your responsibility to defend it.

Saying stupid shit like "millions" and "look it up" is pretty meaningless.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

165. Then why not defend you position?

[TroglodyteScholar]

194. Because I didn't create an OP with an inflammatory and factually questionable premise. n/t

[TheCanadianLiberal]

155. Everything

in the whole Universe, duh. :)

[EOTE]

186. You don't know what you're talking about.

In fact, to say that you're ignorant on the subject would be a huge compliment. Truly, it's a hilarious sight to see someone as completely uninformed as you attempt to sound smart on a matter that completely eludes you. There are many here who want you to stop making these ridiculously stupid posts. I don't. There are sometimes where I fault myself for not understanding "String Theory" or "Brane Theory", but when I look at the posts that you make, I feel like a fucking genius.

[EstimatedProphet]

87. This has got to be one of the stupidest things I have seen from you yet

and in a long line of stupidly focused posts, that's saying a lot.

Are you actually trying to make the claim, straight-faced, that marijuana should remain illegal because it is so bad for the environment to raise it using methods that result directly from it being illegal?

[Vanje]

99. "Straight-Faced"?

Am I the only one here with the creeping suspicion that the OP and a bunch of other 14 year olds are in their parents basement with a bong and a laptop, laughing so hard that they can't even breathe ?

[EstimatedProphet]

105. :)

[fishwax]

140. and also it should be illegal b/c it's a gateway (but only b/c it's illegal)

Because alcohol is legal and pot is illegal, pot is more likely to be a gateway to other illegal drugs.

Since pot is a gateway drug, it should be illegal.

:rofl:

Even if the premises were true the argument would still be uniquely stupid.

[snooper2]

169. Wanna Get High?

[EOTE]

178. Food is bad.

Do you know how much energy is devoted to creating and growing food? Food is like 100x more evil than pot is.

Density.


Look it up.

[WhiteTara]

141. MM

s/he's laughing at us!
:rofl:

[martymar64]

197. That's why I tend to not trust people that put "Liberal" in their screen name

It's usually some sock puppet for a conservative douche. This OP is Exhibit A.

[phleshdef]

17. No. Regressive, anti-marijuana tyrants are destroying the planet and wasting a lot of money.

That means YOU.

[DBoon]

22. "Stoners are DESTROYING the PLANET!"

is that the title of ANOTHER Cheech and Chong movie?

[backscatter712]

23. Maybe if the feds legalized it, people could grow MJ on a conventional farm.

That'll solve that problem.

[RandomKoolzip]

25. Eating meat causes far more damage to the environment.

And I'm not some raging vegan crusader.

[stuntcat]

184. far far more

yup yup.

[Forkboy]

26. Yeah, but they keep making killer music.

It's a fair trade...

[devilgrrl]

27. ...

:spray:

[Forkboy]

28. Drought, floods, disease? Blame Electric Wizard!!

Every thing was fine until they laid this slab of stoner doom down to vinyl, and since then everything has gone to shit. :freak:

[Iggo]

106. 'You're all the same, the lot of ya...'

"...with your long hair and your faggot clothes. Drugs. Sex. Every sort of filth. And you hate the police, don't ya!"

"You make it easy, man!"

[Forkboy]

118. ....

:)

[Vanje]

29. Do you start every day ,..........

.... by inserting the words, "marijuana" and "bad", into the Google search field?

Seriously, Where do you GET this stuff?

[Zhade]

30. His ass.

NT!

[reggie the dog]

31. This is a load of shit

The majority of the weed consumed in the usa is outdoor grown, yes indoor grown has become more available in the past 20 years but imported weed is all outdoor except for a tiny bit of indoor canadian that makes it into the usa, plus the good ole boys grow a shitload of weed outside all across dixie and the hills from maine down to alabama. even in california outdoor grown is huge. the weed i grow to smoke is outdoor and the hash i buy comes from outdoor grown weed in mazar i sharif, afghanistan (at least that is what the gold stamp says)

If it were legal most people who had a garden and smoked would grow their own outside. In a free market indoor grown would just be a niche market in a country like the usa with so many different climate zones in which so many different tasting varieties of weed could be grown outdoor would likely be the vast majority of the market were weed legalized.

[hobbit709]

32. the monomaniac is back.

Same old, same old.

[CrownPrinceBandar]

36. POT IS TEH EVIL!.....

:rofl:

[jwirr]

38. Well if they would let us grow the damn stuff outside that would solve the

problem!

[proud patriot]

39. So the 1 percent which grows is to blame not the huge

corporations and all the energy waste .. sorry I don't buy it

[bengalherder]

40. Mebbe you should reconsider the 'liberal' part of your user name.

Although, "Canadian-somewhat-social-liberal-except-all-marijuana-and-all-eeeevil-stoners-who-partake-despite-my-sensibilities" lacks the same ring to it.

Y'know, there are plenty of people out there who don't partake and yet do not criticize. And we 'stoners' are fine with that, more for us and all that. That's what REAL liberality is.

PS: My pot comes from small scale local growers in the US. Nobody died for my weed. And I have been a responsible user for over twenty years, preferring pot to anti-depressants. Sorry to bum your trip or anything, bubbalah. :eyeroll:

[Zhade]

46. Uh, yeah, I'm pretty sure the OP is just a dumbshit trollbagger.

As if putting 'liberal' in his name is fooling anyone. By their acts and all that, you know?

[Warren DeMontague]

43. No, the drug war is.

Nice try.

By the way, sooner or later, it's going to be legal, regulated, and taxed. The insanity and idiocy of the drug war? It's days are numbered.

Deal with it.

[Warren DeMontague]

44. THEN WHY DO YOU HAVE A POT LEAF AS YOUR AVATAR?

Huh?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

47. You must be high

[marmar]

48. selfdelete, responded to wrong post

nt

[Warren DeMontague]

54. Actually, I'm not.

But if you honestly think the idiotic drug war- most of it aimed at the smoking of a relatively benign psychoactive plant- makes any sort of sense, you must be on crack.

[Warren DeMontague]

120. Asserting the Candian Flag looks like a pot leaf is, actually, an awful lot like asserting

that continuing to throw people in prison for smoking a relatively harmless plant, and spending upwards of $40 Billion a year to "fight" it, makes anything resembling coherent sense.

In other words, an assertion so bald-fucking-faced ridiculous and idiotic that most people would have to assume it's being made facetiously.

[999998th word]

150. I suspect Its the prison profit-industry lobbying groups

that stand in the way of legalization.

Same old 'follow the money' bullshit.

[Keith Bee]

49. Whut?

Like, I was just...whut?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

60. Whut?

Why where you like whut?

[Vanje]

69. I smoke weed, from time to time...

and I know how to spell, "were".

[EOTE]

187. You might want to give pot a try some time.

It might make you a better speller. It certainly couldn't make you a worse one.

[Uncle Joe]

50. The corrupt, draconian, dysfunctional, insane "War on Drugs" is the ultimate culprit, consuming

excess energy, resources and human power that could be much better served elsewhere.

If it weren't for the asinine, shortsighted policies criminalizing the American People, while also shortchanging logical sustainable energy policies, ie: solar, wind, wave and geothermal, it wouldn't be an issue.

If growing or smoking pot is bad, the insane laws against it are atrocious, but you already know this.

Thanks for the thread, TheCanandianLiberal.

[Texasgal]

53. What exactly is your facination with

Americans and Marijuana?

You keep posting this crap over and over again... can you tell us just what your issue *really* is?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

58. Sure..

the fact that people continue to support marijuana and ignore anything said against it. We know it causes health issues, we know it causes global warming now and we know it only leads to harder drugs.

[Texasgal]

62. Can you just answer the dang question?

You seem obsessed by this.

Why?

And who is "WE"?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

64. We are...

Why what? I have no real issues, except with the pro-marijuana agenda.

[Texasgal]

67. Who is WE?

And no, you have not answered the question.

Why are you so obsessed with AMERICANS and MARIJUANA use?

I highlighted in caps the meat of the question, hopefully you are smart enough to get it.

Awaiting response.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

70. I'm not..

obsessed with anything. I have an issue with marijuana use because of all of it's negative effects but i'm not obsessed.


Who isn't we? :)

[Vanje]

71. Are you a performance artist?

Are your DU postings, your "art"?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

75. What?

I'm not sure what you mean by that. I'm serious in everything I post even though it may not appear as such.

[EstimatedProphet]

107. IT'S THE CANADIANLIBERAL SHOW!!!

[Texasgal]

91. You keep saying WE

It's YOU that has the issue with marijuana use.

It's YOU that thinks there are negative effects.

It's YOU that has an opinion.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

I have an opinion too and you know what? I don't sit around starting countless threads about it.

It's not WE. You are obsessed. Every thread you start has something to do with AMERICANS and MARIJUANA.

Flame bait is not your strong suit is it?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

93. Nope

One topic had to do with Obama and light bulbs.

We think that marijuana is bad and seeing that the US is the largest consumer in the west of it we should focus our actions in the us.

[Vanje]

94. When you say, "We",

Do you mean you and your cat?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

95. No

I mean all of us. Because we all agree.

[EstimatedProphet]

108. I am he and you are he and you are me and we are all together

TheCanadianLiberal is The Walrus.

[EOTE]

189. Yes, it's clear that we all agree.

That you have the cognitive capacity of a gnat.

[Texasgal]

97. Don't you get it?

Your OPINION is not based on FACT. YOU are blubbering your distain for marijuana use. OKAY. I get it. You don't LIKE people partaking!

Now, for the third fucking time...who is WE????

Geez FUCKING louise!

[snooper2]

170. If you want the low down why he is obsessed, here it is..

Once a while back a beautiful Russian lady was visiting Canada and fell madly in love with this liberal Canadian. They made beautiful love together, watched sunsets, played tennis, it was a perfect romance.

Then one night, the beautiful Russian woman went out on the back deck by herself. The liberal Canadian woke up to see her missing from bed, and went to look around. What he found was horrific, she was outside smoking a joint!

A tense fight and argument broke out, and even though he was madly in love, he couldn't let that devil weed be anywhere in his presence. So an ultimatum was put down, either the pot or me...and she chose the pot.


The rest is history :rofl:

[Le Taz Hot]

128. And yet I've posted THIS

http://www.scientificfactsofpot.com/studies.htm

on several of your threads to counter your claim that "it causes health issues" and you've never countered even once. It's like you've got your fingers in your ears and are singing "la-la-la-la-la-la . . ."

Your agenda is clear -- you've got some sort of jihad against pot. That's your privilege I suppose but posting obscure articles and claiming it as absolute scientific fact is disingenuous and I'm embarrassed for you.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

131. Like...

That website isn't biased?

[Le Taz Hot]

137. And you aren't?

Are you beginning to see the first flaw in your argument yet?

The website has actual extensive scientific studies -- all well documented. Argue that you don't like marijuana and think everyone on the planet should be prohibited from using it, fine. But don't do it by posting some obscure article, with no science behind it, and then refuse to even look at scientific evidence that counters that marijuana has been proven medical benefits.

[edbermac]

55. Evan Mills sounds like he's on LSD.

[Texasgal]

66. OOPS

wrong resonse. sorry

[Le Taz Hot]

129. ROFL!!!!

:spray: :rofl: Now THAT'S funny!

[JonLP24]

61. A lot of things are killing this planet

Interesting the timing of these articles.

It is a given, but like a lot of things. What it takes to grow you can be done in a more efficient, energy saving way.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

77. The only way ti could be worse...

Is if it was grown in the back of a hummer or old Buick.

[Vanje]

83. Nonsense

It grows outside just fine, like tomatoes and cabbages.

[JonLP24]

88. When are you going to post the study

that shows how much energy such as lighting for police buildings, paperwork from trees, gas for cars, etc. that it takes to investigate cannabis? How much does that cost? Let me say all of that is put into a losing & overly punitive cause.

[L0oniX]

78. =======~~~

[mountainlion55]

79. Whats the term I've heard on DU

Oh yeah what an asshat this op is.:puke:

[TheCanadianLiberal]

81. I'm

Really a nice guy

[Vanje]

86. but,

you play an asshat on the internetz.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

89. I disagree

You only say that because I disagree with you

[EstimatedProphet]

82. So let us grow it the fuck outside!

[TheCanadianLiberal]

90. How about...

It doesn't get grown at all! What a novel idea!

[EstimatedProphet]

96. No, it isn't a novel idea at all

It is patently absurd to claim that marijuana is itself bad because its legal status forces people to use illegal means to obtain it. Laws are not made just for the sake of making laws. This is exactly why prohibition didn't work - people don't want to give up their substance of choice, and if you are not affected by their using it, then you have no business in telling them to stop, or making it illegal for them to use it.

[EOTE]

196. Fascist.

That's what you are. And your only argument is "Pot is bad, don't smoke it!" Facts mean nothing to you. You've ignored EVERY substantial argument everyone has made. Let me be clear, there is no "we", you're all alone in your idiotic, Quixotic quest. Unless, of course, you're simply a troll, in which case I'd say "job well done". You've had your fun, now knock it the fuck off. You're just annoying now.

[spanone]

101. drivel

[Iggo]

104. Again?

What is this, like performance art or something?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

109. What do you mean by...

performance art?

[Iggo]

112. There's twelve notes in the chromatic scale.

You should try some of the other eleven.

[Le Taz Hot]

130. LOL!

:applause:

[hobbit709]

110. Fits the definition of insanity.

He keeps trying the same thing over and over expecting different results.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

111. I'm not insane

those who support making pot legal are.

[hobbit709]

123. Those who insist they are not crazy are the ones who are.

[meow mix]

126. its fun to destroy people with antiquated prohibition!

but ignore all those drinking teenagers killing themselves in car accidents.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

133. Why ignore that?

We need to do more about it too.

[meow mix]

138. oh good... then point out your threads calling for a war on booze and those that drink it.

otherwise your just a cheap shill

[Warren DeMontague]

142. Really? And "we" must have unlimited funds, if we're going to be doing all this policing

of the private personal choices of consenting adults.

Let me guess- you support outlawing abortion, too? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[TheCanadianLiberal]

132. I never insisted

I simply said I wasn't.

[hobbit709]

135. Want to go for three denials?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

136. I 'm not saying anything...

:)

[Canuckistanian]

124. Ah, our resident marijuana scold is back

And in fine fettle, I see.

[hobbit709]

125. I think he once bought a bag of ditchweed

And has resented it ever since.

[TK421]

144. Is this Chuggo?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

147. Who?

[Iggo]

151. Aw C'mon Fuckin' Guy!

:headbang:

[Warren DeMontague]

158. You know who invented the personal computer? PEOPLE ON ACID.

Now, go to bed.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

159. Know who invented Cheetos?

I bet you can guess!

[hobbit709]

162. so what were they on in Canada when they came up with poutine?

[TheCanadianLiberal]

163. A group of people

were starving and tossed together what they had left. thus poutine was born.

[Forkboy]

167. They should have eaten each other.

[Romulox]

168. How is this thread not considered trolling? nt

[TheCanadianLiberal]

171. Because...

I'm not trolling.

[Romulox]

174. You obviously are. But the real problem? It's starting to get dull.

You need to amp up the energy; thread is dying!

[TheCanadianLiberal]

176. Nope.

I think I'm right about this. I posted an article I found, as many other people do, nothing more.

Same as when I make a comment in a topic related to pot.

I'm not trying to troll here, people are trying to troll me.

[EstimatedProphet]

172. It's back! TheCanadianLiberal Show IS ON THE AIR!

We need to get you a theme song. Maybe "Because I got High" by Afroman, or something like that. Or maybe the "Don't do drugs, mmm'kay" song from South Park.

[Romulox]

173. Reminds me of lyrics by the legendary Geto Boys...

Day by day it's more impossible to cope
I feel like I'm the one that's doing dope
Can't keep a steady hand because I'm nervous
Every sunday morning I'm in service
Playing for forgiveness
And trying to find an exit out of the business
I know the lord is looking at me
But yet and still it's hard for me to feel happy
I often drift while I drive
Havin fatal thoughts of suicide
Bang and get it over with
And then I'm worry-free, but that's bullshit
I got a little boy to look after
And if I died then my child would be a bastard
I had a woman down with me
But to me it seemed like she was down to get me
She helped me out in this shit
But to me she was just another bitch
Now she's back with her mother
Now I'm realizing that I love her
Now I'm feeling lonely
My mind is playing tricks on me

[Name removed]

175. Deleted message

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Warren DeMontague]

179. Technically, they're not 'destoying' the planet

they just want to make it into a bong.

[Last_Stand]

181. "Yeah?...

Well... you know... that's just like... uh.. your opinion, man."
-- The Dude

[timesup]

182. I will argue...

That this is another reason to legalize it everywhere, having to hide it, is what's jacking the energy need.
If you actually think a naturally occuring plant can be stopped, you need to pull your head out of the sand once in a while.
I can't get actual junk weeds from growing in my back yard, and I live in the desert. Albeit the chemicals available work well.
I do see the evil that keeping it illegal has provided, and that's enough for me, let them toke, much better than a bunch of drunk drivers and all the
slow liver poisoning that alcohol provides...

[JonLP24]

188. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[TheCanadianLiberal]

198. I take it no one can make a valid....

argument to counter the article I posted then.

I figured as such.

Your all to busy smoking pot.

[JonLP24]

199. !

:rofl:

[EOTE]

200. Dozens have been posted. Care to address any of them?

I keep thinking to myself "There's no way you can possibly be this stupid." But yet you keep proving me wrong. Tell me straight up: Are you just stirring shit up as a troll? If you are, you're quickly becoming a massive asshole. If you're not, then you're really fucking stupid. If you can't even be bothered to construct a coherent sentence and use proper spelling and grammar, you have NO business telling others what should go in their bodies.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

201. I am serious :/

There have been no vaid un-biased points for me to address.

"medicalwondersofput.com" or some shit does not count.

[EOTE]

202. Then explain your logic.

You say that pot destroys the environment BECAUSE it's illegal. When you're informed that making it legal would negate this, you say that we just shouldn't make it legal, COMPLETELY NEGATING WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY. What is your logic for this?

Then you say that pot is a gateway drug BECAUSE it's illegal and then say it shouldn't be legalized. What is your logic for that?

So basically, the entire content of your post is "POT IS BAD BECAUSE I SAY SO!"

Are you going to explain any of this? You've been asked to numerous times. Of course not, but you're a fucking imbecile and a tool. Really man, my 4 year old daughter has a far greater grasp on logic than you do. You really shouldn't be allowed out of your house for fear of hurting yourself or others.

[EOTE]

205. Here's a scientific, peer reviewed study. I'm guessing this is biased too?

http://safeaccess.ca/research/pdf/MarijuanaUse_and_Head-NeckSquamousCellCarcinoma.pdf

Care to address this at all? Or are you far too daft to make heads or tails of this?

[EstimatedProphet]

213. He won't answer. He's busy doing bong hits.

[JonLP24]

211. "no vaid"

I make grammar mistakes and misspellings too but nowhere near the extent that you do.

[Name removed]

207. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Warren DeMontague]

208. "Your all to busy smoking pot." - perhaps you should try some.

It might improve your spelling.

[KamaAina]

203. Just more reasons why OUTLAWING pot is bad.

Legalize it, and it can be grown outside using solar energy, like any other crop. It'd probably need a lot less fertilizer and toxic pestidies than most to boot.

[TK421]

204. You don't dress up in animal costumes by any chance, do you?

[Warren DeMontague]

209. It was the bath salts, officer! I swear!

GOD DAMN YOU, BATH SALTS!

[TheCanadianLiberal]

214. No

Why would you even think something like that?

[Warren DeMontague]

210. ***