Ocasio-Cortez takes a parting shot at Crowley

[RandySF]

Link to tweet

?s=21

[H2O Man]

1. I think you have

it backwards.

[HopeAgain]

5. Uh huh

Unless Crowley is really parting, which it sounds like he is not.

[AtomicKitten]

145. Crowley is passive-aggressively occupying a 3rd party spot on the ballot

Last edited Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:22 PM - Edit history (5)

"The Queens County Democratic leaders are the masters of electoral manipulation,Lipton said. "There's a well-known process for [re]moving candidates from the ballot and they are refusing to show the WFP and Ocasio-Cortez that respect."

Source: https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/12/politics/ocasio-cortez-worries-joe-crowley-third-party-run/index.html

Even in Ms. Ocasio-Cortez’s district, the Working Families Party line was won by Mr. Crowley, who had secured that party’s endorsement. Bill Lipton, state director of the Working Families Party, said he immediately reached out to Mr. Crowley’s campaign to request that he vacate the line.

To Mr. Lipton’s chagrin, his campaign declined; Mr. Crowley will remain on the ballot in November. “You’d think that given the moment we’re in,” said Mr. Lipton, “that Democratic leaders would want to help progressive forces to unite.”

Source:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/11/nyregion/ocasio-cortez-primary-third-parties.html

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez toppled a political giant last month, but he’s popped right back up onto the ballot.

Though Ms. Ocasio-Cortez defeated Joseph Crowley, a leading House Democrat, in a congressional primary that sent shock waves through the party, Mr. Crowley’s name will almost certainly appear on the ballot in November under a third-party line. That’s thanks to a quirk in New York State’s election laws, an embarrassingly retrograde system that protects incumbents by confusing voters and suppressing turnout.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/12/opinion/editorials/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-crowley.html

WFP state director Bill Lipton said Crowley refused to vacate the line he won in New York’s 14th Congressional District.

"It is disappointing that Crowley has refused to vacate the Working Families Party ballot line. He chose not to show Ocasio-Cortez and the WFP respect by allowing us to put Ocasio-Cortez on our ballot line," Lipton said in a statement to The Hill.

"WFP is giving all we have to electing Ocasio-Cortez and other progressive insurgents all across the nation," he added. "The only remaining way for Crowley to do the right thing is to switch his residency to Virginia, where his family resides and his children already go to school. It would fix the problem he created in an instant."

Source: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/396667-ocasio-cortez-accuses-defeated-dem-of-mounting-third-party-challenge

[Demsrule86]

150. He may beat her in the general because the primary was low turnout. This guy is an old

style Democrat and a party boss I have been told by those that live in his district.

[AtomicKitten]

156. After the shitshow that was the 2016 Democratic primary,

if he beats her a la Joe Lieberman or the seat flips to the Republican, it will fracture the party irreparably. The repercussions will be monumental.

[radius777]

185. AOC won through the same undemocratic

means you decry, namely low turnout primaries in the middle of summer when nobody cares about politics aside from activists.

If she faced a higher turnout primary it is very likely she would've lost.

If Crowley somehow wins the GE on the third party ticket without even campaigning it would be because a large pool of Dem voters decided to reject her.

[Ninsianna]

160. Passive aggressively refusing her aggressive demands to die, move, commit a crime or election fraud.

How dare he?

[AtomicKitten]

174. He could get off the ballot easily but chooses not to.

WFP state director Bill Lipton said Crowley refused to vacate the line he won in New York’s 14th Congressional District.

"It is disappointing that Crowley has refused to vacate the Working Families Party ballot line. He chose not to show Ocasio-Cortez and the WFP respect by allowing us to put Ocasio-Cortez on our ballot line," Lipton said in a statement to The Hill.

"WFP is giving all we have to electing Ocasio-Cortez and other progressive insurgents all across the nation," he added. "The only remaining way for Crowley to do the right thing is to switch his residency to Virginia, where his family resides and his children already go to school. It would fix the problem he created in an instant."

Source: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/396667-ocasio-cortez-accuses-defeated-dem-of-mounting-third-party-challenge

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

176. Damn right he could!

[NY_20th]

179. Bullshit.

How would you like it if someone told you to move your residency?

She can fix this in an instance by returning his phone call and stop being a party divider.

[leftstreet]

2. Wait. I was told Crowley was such a loyal Democrat

But now he's running as a third party candidate?

Hmm...

[comradebillyboy]

9. No, he isn't.

[scipan]

120. his name is on the Working Families Party line and he refuses to remove it.

Which he could, if I understand right, by entering another race (like dog catcher or such). The WFP has asked him to do this.

[RandySF]

19. Like most adults

He lost, moved on and forgot about the multiple third parties that will put the same people on the ballot. Same is true in many districts including a neighboring district where Cortez was on the Reform Party line. But we’re going to ignore that, aren’t we?

Our Revolution types and their allies never cease to amaze me in the ways they take a nothing and turn it into a threat against We The People.

[scipan]

121. He's going to be on the ballot in November though, which will siphon votes from her.

I thought we all wanted to be united against the repubs.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

178. Exactly! Some rules don't apply for some "unknown" reason.

[Voltaire2]

131. Oh he forgot. I see.

So having been repeatedly reminded the next excuse will be ‘my dog ate the letter?

[NCTraveler]

28. What are you talking about? nt

[emulatorloo]

86. He's not running as a third party candidate.

[scipan]

122. then he needs to take his name off the ballot.

He has to enter another race, such as dog catcher, then he can be removed. So far he is refusing. Why is he refusing?

[NY_20th]

125. This scenario happens in New York State quite often,

since the WFP gained a line on the ballot.

Crowley is willing to endorse and campaign for Ocasio Cortez. She needs to pick up the phone, work this out, and stop taking advice from whoever is advising her on this issue.

[scipan]

133. Sorry, I don't know who is avoiding whose phone call.

She says it was set up 3x and he didn't show each time.

But he should just take his name off the ballot as the WFP nominee (by running for another low level office per the rules). As long as he refuses to do that, nobody can honestly say that he is behind her. Fer chrissakes, he's running against her.

[NY_20th]

140. He's reached out to her two or three times.

She's missed the call for whatever reason.

He can't just take his name off of the ballot.

She needs to reach out to him and stop this twitter nonsense.

He will endorse her and help get her elected. She's getting very bad advice.

He's not running against her. This is the problem with the WFP endorsements. It affects more than just NY-14.

WFP needs to get their stuff together and work more closely with the Democratic Party or this crap will keep happening again, and again.

[scipan]

148. Just how do you define "running against her"

if not being on the ballot, for the same position Rep NY-14, in November?

Yes, he can take his name off the ballot, by running for another position, say dog catcher in a heavily repub area, and yes, there are many positions that don't require residency (per the article I linked to).

She has tweeted that she set up a convo 3x and he never showed all 3x. He hasn't conceeded to her personally yet.

He needs to get himself off the ballot. It's not hard, there's no election fraud. He's just making excuses.

[NY_20th]

161. Getting off the ballot is not as easy as you believe.

The easiest solution would be for Ocasio Cortez to contact Joe and work towards unity as opposed to keeping up an ill advised war against him instead of the Republican Party.

[George II]

198. He has tried a few times, for some reason they never connected. It's not his duty to continue...

...to try, she's the candidate.

This is like a couple of weeks ago when she was blaming Gilibrand (again, on twitter) for not talking to her before Gilibrand endorsed Crowley. It's the job of the candidate to contact potential endorsers.

[NY_20th]

199. Yeah, she is getting really bad advice on this.

[lapucelle]

193. Corbin Trent, co-founder of Brand New Congress

and communications director for Justice Democrats is also serving as AOC's spokesman. He might be the best person to ask about the missed phone calls.

Furthermore, the staffer says that Corbin Trent, a spokesman for Ocasio-Cortez's campaign, called Crowley’s team Thursday to admit the information she blasted out on twitter was “a mistake."

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/12/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-joe-crowley-twitter-feud-714983?__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true

And if journalists interview Mr. Trent they may want to ask him why Brand New Congress is running a former Republican, relatively recently minted independent against the Democratic candidate for Congress in Tennessee's 2nd district.

https://brandnewcongress.org/faqs/marc-whitmire/

[BeyondGeography]

3. Hmmmmm...Crowley can't pick up the phone?

I'd throw a punch too.

[RandySF]

8. .

Link to tweet

?s=21

[BeyondGeography]

12. So he can tweet?

OK...ffs. What is he, a potentate? Get her number and call if you're really sincere about shutting this saga down.

[mcar]

17. He says her team hasn't followed through on scheduled phone calls

Seems like AOC is being petty here and just trying to drum up publicity negative to Democrats.

[Cha]

59. Have you seen this New York Law, mcar?

By law, the only way a candidate can get off a line is to move out of New York, die, be convicted of a crime or accept a nomination for another office.

“I don’t plan on moving out of New York, have a clean record, hope God’s will is that I don’t die, and won’t commit what I honestly believe to be election fraud” by accepting a nomination for another office in a place he doesn’t live, Crowley tweeted.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-ocasio-cortez-crowley-working-families-party-20180712-story.html%3foutputType=amp

RSF https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10859314

[mcar]

62. Complicated

I wonder why AOC is making such an issue out of this. Crowley has endorsed her and given her full support. This is not very gracious of her.

[Cha]

64. I guessing because she doesn't know the law.. otherwise

why would be throwing pot shots at Joe Crowley?

[scipan]

123. I think they both know the law. Crowley is refusing to do what's necessary

to take him off the ballot as a 3rd party candidate running against her.

I thought we were supposed to be united against the repubs? Why won't he take his name off the ballot? There is no ethical issue here.

[NY_20th]

126. It's not that difficult for there to be unity here.

Ocasio Cortez needs to return one of his phone calls, and discuss how they will campaign together this fall.

That's a lot easier than Crowley having to move or change his voter registration.

Joe is a solid Democrat who has always been helpful in getting Democrats elected. He will be helpful in this election, too.

[scipan]

132. then he should get his name off the ballot against her.

Of course he will siphon votes away from her if he doesn't. I think a 'solid Democrat' would bow to the will of the dems who nominated her over him.

[Cha]

137. law, the only way a candidate can get off a line is to move out of New York, die,

By .. be convicted of a crime or accept a nomination for another office.

“I don’t plan on moving out of New York, have a clean record, hope God’s will is that I don’t die, and won’t commit what I honestly believe to be election fraud” by accepting a nomination for another office in a place he doesn’t live, Crowley tweeted.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-ocasio-cortez-crowley-working-families-party-20180712-story.html%3foutputType=amp

RSF https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10859314

[scipan]

146. Anytime a politician prefaces something with 'honestly',

turn on your inner skeptic.

Besides, that's not election fraud by any stretch. And from the article I linked above:

There are no residency requirements, however, for some offices, and election lawyers say Mr. Crowley could put his name in nomination for any number of positions.

Also, see Jim Lane's post.

[Cha]

147. I believe Joe Crowley.. AOC

needs to take it down a few notches.

Cynthia Nixon will also appear on the NYS Gubernatorial ballot

on the WFP line, even if she loses the primary, and could take votes away from Andrew Cuomo in the General Election.

That's how it goes in New York State.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10859610

[scipan]

172. AOC has good reason to be frustrated.

1) he never conceded.
2) her campaign set up a call 3x, and 3x he never showed.
3) he's still on the ballot for November, running against her. He could easily fix this by either changing his address (he's actually living in Virginia), or running for some other position (apparently done a lot in NY).

I don't trust him, based on his actions.

[Cha]

173. Oh yeah.. then what's this then?

Link to tweet

US Rep. Joe Crowley concedes to newcomer in NY Democratic primary

snip//

"It's not about me," Crowley told his supporters at a campaign party following his loss. "It's about America. I want nothing but the best for Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. I want her to be victorious."

He later played guitar with a band at the election night gathering and dedicated the first song, Bruce Springsteen's "Born to Run," to Ocasio-Cortez.

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2018/0627/US-Rep.-Joe-Crowley-concedes-to-newcomer-in-NY-Democratic-primary

AOC concedes she "made a mistake".

[herding cats]

190. Where is this stuff coming from?

He conceded the night of the election.

It sounds like staff may be dropping the scheduling ball.

It's not like he can simply withdraw his name from the ballot. What he can do is endorse her (he has) and help her get elected. The latter is up to her now.

--------

If she's smart here, she'll say her outburst was a mistake and make time for a public appearance ASAP with Crowley. Assuming he'll agree now, she was pretty rude to him. His people are about to be her people and her future depends on not alienating them.

Her constituency know the byzantine election laws there and they're not going to buy this wholesale the way random people on the internet without their local knowledge will.

I'm going to point out, those random people on the internet are not who she needs to be pandering to here. They're not who she's hoping to represent next January. Her 15,897 votes came from the people in her district. If she wants to expand on that number, she better get back to them. The primary is over. With it (since she's in a safe Democratic district) the time for grandstanding, drama and attention seeking has ended. Now she should be connecting with her voters and future voters and bringing them all home. Angering the supporters of her previous Democratic opponent isn't how you do that. Even in a safe district that's a terrible strategy.

Now is when she has to begin proving who she really is to her voters, and potential future voters, by showing she's not a bunch of empty rhetoric. This was a rookie mistake. There's a learning curve, but she has time to figure it all out if she can temper her emotions.

[Ninsianna]

162. Die, move, commit a crime or election fraud?

I thought so too, but lies, attacks against the party and dirty shenanigans to provoke drama to increase the money grab is what's happening here on twitter. Why is this deeply unethical crap being done by the new star of the party?

[NY_20th]

165. I liked and admired her drive,

but this stunt is ticking me off.

[scipan]

170. "why is this deeply unethical crap being done by the new star..."

What deeply unethical crap?

Crowley is the only one who thinks that putting his name in for another position is unethical. I certainly don't.

As far as 'dirty shenanigans' and 'drama', I think you are seeing things that aren't there (but maybe you want them to be).

[NY_20th]

177. No, he is not the only one who thinks that.

Asking him to compete against a fellow Democrat in Montgomery County for County Clerk, is asinine.

[comradebillyboy]

76. Probably because press coverage of her campaign

has dropped off and she's trying to get back in the spotlight by smearing her former opponent. Either that or she isn't very well informed on how NY elections work.

[mcar]

79. Seems petty to me

She's not helping herself with Democrats.

[comradebillyboy]

82. It's very petty. It won't win her any freinds outside of

the Our Revolution crew.

[kcr]

106. Not particularly smart, either

More people are aware he's on the ballot now. Good job!

[R B Garr]

134. +1, which is odd, because she seemed to be very conversant in

how NY elections work when she won, as evidenced by her many public appearances where she discussed in detail the idiosyncrasies of how her district operated. I bet your hunch is right -- especially with those she said she had to consult first.

[Cha]

168. Update: called Crowley's team Thursday to admit the information she blasted out on twitter was..

Link to tweet

[mcar]

196. Wonder what their strategy was?

Whatever, it backfired.

Not an auspicious start.

[NCTraveler]

30. Potentate?

When one does not know the meaning of the words they use.

The things Twitter does to people.....

Calling a solid Democrat a "potentate" is really bad form.

[BeyondGeography]

33. You again?

Find a new hobby.

[NCTraveler]

36. What do you mean?

Have we conversed a lot over the last year?

I'm good doing what I'm doing.

I love photography and don't plan on changing a thing.

Potentate

[ChubbyStar]

43. The word was used correctly

The poster did not say "Crowley is a potentate" they asked "what is he, a potentate?" I appears you do know a thing or two about bad form though.

[NCTraveler]

50. You are incorrect.

'The poster did not say "Crowley is a potentate" they asked "what is he, a potentate?"'

If one knows the meaning of the word they would never ask such a question. My wording was spot on.

I guess there is another argument that could be made for someone using potentate in that manner.

Really unflattering if you are saying it was used correctly in the grammatical sense. There is zero thought behind using its actual meaning in that sentence.

You think it is correct, off of someone else's Tweet, to question if he is a monarch or ruler, especially an autocratic one?

Wow. I want to do a Q&A with you sometime.



Putting a question mark behind something on a discussion board doesn't lend itself toward plausable deniability like you believe.

Let me hear you make even the beginning of a case that he is a monarch or ruler, especially an autocratic one.

[ChubbyStar]

60. So silly

People say things all the time for example "does he think he's a brain surgeon?" or "does she think she is a princess?" do you think they really mean to question if someone is a brain surgeon or a princess, or are they using hyperbole to make a point? I've made mine and it appears you just have to have to last word. There will never be a Q&A with you, I do not debate with...... fill in the blank as you are so SMART.

[NCTraveler]

66. Yeah. That is exactly what they were doing with their multiple replies.

You are saying their intent was to use hyperbole to attack a solid Democrat. Great argument you are making for someone else.

Your explanation for them is even less flattering. Think you should have left them to back up their own work, if they wish to do so.

"a competent individual." Glad I could meet your request.

[ChubbyStar]

68. Crowley lost

Let's move forward.

[NCTraveler]

70. He did. No doubt about it.

I am an Ocasio supporter.

You are the one making the case that it is proper to employ hyperbole to attack solid Democrats who just lost their election. Really poor form.

I do agree with you. Ocassio should move forward and not do things like this.

Well said Chubby.

[ChubbyStar]

92. Thanks!!

My horse ChubbyStar thanks you too!

[SidDithers]

52. ...

Sid

[Cha]

69. You got to him 'cause you called him

out on "potentate" .. I had to go look it up.

Thanks for doing that.. Keep up the good work NCTraveler.

[NCTraveler]

71. But.... But....

It was only posed as a question!

[Cha]

73. Uh huh.

[OilemFirchen]

155. What do you think he was trying to do?

Look like an idiot?

[brer cat]

53. Oh, ffs. She started this with a tweet,

but you are finding fault because he responded in the same media? Lots of stretching going on to find something to complain about.

[BeyondGeography]

55. Thank you for missing the point

If he didn't want to fan any flames, he'd call instead of tweeting, and then she could follow up with a "Joe is a great guy tweet," and we'd all live happily ever after.

[brer cat]

58. Thank you for missing the point.

SHE started this with a tweet. If SHE didn't want to fan any flames, she'd have called instead of tweeting.

[Cha]

72. Damn straight, brer... she was fanning Flames

over Nothing.

By law, the only way a candidate can get off a line is to move out of New York, die, be convicted of a crime or accept a nomination for another office.

“I don’t plan on moving out of New York, have a clean record, hope God’s will is that I don’t die, and won’t commit what I honestly believe to be election fraud” by accepting a nomination for another office in a place he doesn’t live, Crowley tweeted.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-ocasio-cortez-crowley-working-families-party-20180712-story.html%3foutputType=amp

RSF https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10859314

[Ninsianna]

159. Apparently, she has a problem answering a call without hanging up.

[Cha]

4. I thought he wasn't "mounting" anything?

That he was already on the Working Families Ballot?

What I read on that other thread.. right?

[RandySF]

7. .

Link to tweet

?s=21

[Cha]

10. She needs to simmer down and stop throwing barbs at Joe Crowely

Link to tweet

Thank You, RandySF!

[mcar]

21. Yes, she does

This is petty nonsense. She won. She needs to be campaigning against Republicans.

[Cha]

26. Yeah, she does.. but she/team has an Experienced

Good Dems to primary.

Link to tweet

[lapucelle]

18. According to the NYT, there's a quirk in the system.

Asked about Mr. Crowley’s plans regarding the Working Families Party line, a campaign spokeswoman said only: “Joe Crowley is a Democrat. He’s made clear he is not running for Congress and supports the Democratic nominee in NY-14.”

In Mr. Crowley’s case, vacating the line is not that simple. The Working Families Party must go through a convoluted legal maneuver, essentially nominating the unwanted primary winner for another electoral position on the ballot — often one that he or she has little chance of winning, like a county clerkship in a region of the state dominated by the other party.

I'm not sure what AOC's team expects Crowley to do at this point, other than falling on his sword by allowing his name to be put on the ballot for a lesser office in an outside region for an election that he will certainly lose.

[Cha]

23. Mahalo, lapucelle, for the information!

I don't know what she wants Joe Crowley to do, either.. but she sure flew off the handle over nothing.

Link to tweet

[Blue_Tires]

54. This is why Ocasio's inexperience and tendency to see conspiracy everywhere worries me

[R B Garr]

135. It is worrisome, but it actually doesn't surprise me based on some key

phrases she parroted early on.

[vi5]

24. But if he's going to lose both elections anyway....

....then why WOULDN'T he just have them put his name on the ballot for one that won't confuse Democratic voters or stand the chance of draining votes from the person who actually won the Democratic primary?

Unless he thinks there's a chance he won't lose if his name is on the Working Families Party.

[RandySF]

32. If you read the above paragraph

It’s not so simple

[lapucelle]

37. Perhaps Crowley wants to keep his options open for running in future elections.

Given the press's fondness for spinning narratives, losing a lesser-office election after having lost the primary might be fatal to any future chances.

Asked about Mr. Crowley’s plans regarding the Working Families Party line, a campaign spokeswoman said only: “Joe Crowley is a Democrat. He’s made clear he is not running for Congress and supports the Democratic nominee in NY-14.”

That statement sounds unequivocal to me.

[RandySF]

47. Under NY law

You need to commit a crime or move. That’s why Cortez cannot take herself off the Reform Party line in another district.

[Voltaire2]

191. No that is not true.

He could run for a different office and that would vacate his spot on a he WPP ticket. It is a simple maneuver, and has been used in the past for similar situations.

“The party wanted to put her on its line in November, and had asked Mr. Crowley to vacate the line by running for another office that he had no intention of occupying and little chance of winning, whether a county clerkship or state legislative post. But Mr. Lipton said the Crowley campaign declined to work with them on the maneuver.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/12/nyregion/ocasio-cortez-crowley-twitter.html

[Blue_true]

85. The party put his name on their line because they align with democrats and expected him to win

the democratic primary. He won their primary, so his name stayed up. Cortez' people should get in touch with his office, maybe a couple campaign effects with the two of them side by side with him supporting her will clear up the situation.

[Demsrule86]

151. He could win...this was a very low turnout primary...I have no idea what will happen.

[Cha]

65. Have you seen this New York Law, lapucelle?

By law, the only way a candidate can get off a line is to move out of New York, die, be convicted of a crime or accept a nomination for another office.

“I don’t plan on moving out of New York, have a clean record, hope God’s will is that I don’t die, and won’t commit what I honestly believe to be election fraud” by accepting a nomination for another office in a place he doesn’t live, Crowley tweeted.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-ocasio-cortez-crowley-working-families-party-20180712-story.html%3foutputType=amp

RSF https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10859314

[lapucelle]

74. Thank you for that link.

Joe Crowley has been remarkably gracious since his defeat. If his only options are to die, to move away, to hammer the final in the coffin of any chance at elected office in the future, or to make it clear that he is not running for Congress and supports the Democratic nominee in NY-14, I'm glad that he's chosen the last option.

[joshcryer]

112. Our politics don't allow for nuance. And our politics are garbage.

Seriously what kind of piece of work do you have to be to bash other Democrats over an obscure ass rule that puts them on the ballot?

They want this guy to move out of his home state for the past 20+ years and move to VA so he gets removed from the ballot. They actually think this is a totally reasonable request. This is pure ass bullshit cronyism.

[octoberlib]

6. Crowley answered back and said he's not

running.

[tonyt53]

11. Correct. Seems like she has a problem with the person she just defeated. Seen this before.

[Skidmore]

14. I was thinking the same thing.

If she wants to prove her mettle, she should focus on her own campaign for fall. He's not the candidate.

[R B Garr]

136. Yes. It seems this is some kind of formula other than

Democrat vs. Republican. It is a very recognizable tactic.

[Renew Deal]

15. He won't vacate the Working Families line

Why is that?

[lapucelle]

20. According to the NYT

In Mr. Crowley’s case, vacating the line is not that simple. The Working Families Party must go through a convoluted legal maneuver, essentially nominating the unwanted primary winner for another electoral position on the ballot — often one that he or she has little chance of winning, like a county clerkship in a region of the state dominated by the other party.

[Cha]

39. Thanks again, lapucelle..

In Mr. Crowley’s case, vacating the line is not that simple. The Working Families Party must go through a convoluted legal maneuver, essentially nominating the unwanted primary winner for another electoral position on the ballot — often one that he or she has little chance of winning, like a county clerkship in a region of the state dominated by the other party.

Do you have a link, please?

Mahalo

[lapucelle]

41. Here's the link.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/11/nyregion/ocasio-cortez-primary-third-parties.html

Mahalo, my friend.

[Cha]

169. called Crowley's team Thursday to admit the information she blasted out on twitter was "a mistake."

Link to tweet

Thank You!
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/11/nyregion/ocasio-cortez-primary-third-parties.html

[JI7]

13. She probably had a plan of what she would do and say if she lost

Wanted to play the whole system is rigged shit.

[brush]

16. Is this really necessary? That race is over. Run against the repug.

[vi5]

22. The Democratic Party must be furious that there will be a third party candidate on the ballot...

I mean that has the potential to drain votes from the actual Democratic nominee and to confuse voters.

I'm sure they will do everything in their power to prevent this from happening because their goal is to support the Democratic nominee and do everything in their power to insure that the Democratic nominee wins.

[RandySF]

27. Including Cortez's Reform Party nomination in a neighboring district?

[Nanjeanne]

98. Her nomination was not at her doing - she was written in by voters. She is not on the ballot. She

declined the nom. Jeez.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

182. The facts don't matter to some.

[NY_20th]

48. The same thing will happen on the November Governor ballot

Cynthia Nixon will appear under the WFP line even if she loses the primary.

To complicate things even more, another Democrat, Stephanie Miner, will be running on the Serve America Movement line.

Then of course there is our perennial favorite Jimmy McMullen on The Rent Is To Damn High line, among others who will appear on the ballot.

I don't blame AOC for being concerned though. Crowley could conceivably win the November election if voters from his district choose him on the WFP line over AOC on the Democratic line.

[Squinch]

63. Except he's been clear that there is no third party run.

[RandySF]

25. Let me explain New York

A candidate may be nominated by military third parties without their prior knowledge. Candidates who lose their major party primaries don’t think to have their names removed and I imagine the same goes for Crowley. Cortez never acknowledged her write-in nomination for the Reform Party in a neighboring districts.

[Trumpocalypse]

29. Except the Working Families party asked Crowley to vacate the line

and he refused.

[H2O Man]

34. Right.

And the WFP never puts up a candidate without their knowledge and approval.

[RandySF]

38. .

By law, the only way a candidate can get off a line is to move out of New York, die, be convicted of a crime or accept a nomination for another office.

“I don’t plan on moving out of New York, have a clean record, hope God’s will is that I don’t die, and won’t commit what I honestly believe to be election fraud” by accepting a nomination for another office in a place he doesn’t live, Crowley tweeted.


https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-ocasio-cortez-crowley-working-families-party-20180712-story.html%3foutputType=amp

[Cha]

42. Wow.. that's damn complicated.. and not everyone is going

to know this.. so they'll just be pissed at JC. Thanks, RSF.. I'll pass this on if needed.

By law, the only way a candidate can get off a line is to move out of New York, die, be convicted of a crime or accept a nomination for another office.

“I don’t plan on moving out of New York, have a clean record, hope God’s will is that I don’t die, and won’t commit what I honestly believe to be election fraud” by accepting a nomination for another office in a place he doesn’t live, Crowley tweeted.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-ocasio-cortez-crowley-working-families-party-20180712-story.html%3foutputType=amp

[RandySF]

44. Some people just don't care

[Cha]

51. It is a good ol New York weird law!

I have someone in mind to post it to right now.. Thanks!

[SidDithers]

56. Exactly...nt

Sid

[kcr]

102. Yep. Perfect opportunity for a smear

He did not mount a 3rd party challenge. She is a piece of work.

[Trumpocalypse]

45. You forgot to include this passage

Working Families Party state director Bill Lipton couldn’t be immediately reached for comment Thursday morning, but told the New York Times he was rebuffed when he asked Crowley to give up the line in favor of Ocasio-Cortez.

[RandySF]

81. It doesn't matter

The party still can’t take his name off unless he dies, moves or commits a crime. You want Crowley to lie or die to make her happy?

[Trumpocalypse]

83. There are other avenues to take his name off the ballot

other then the ones which Crowley defined, he just refuses to do so.

[RandySF]

84. Like what?

[Trumpocalypse]

87. Read the Times article

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/11/nyregion/ocasio-cortez-primary-third-parties.html

[RandySF]

91. I'm not a subscriber

[Trumpocalypse]

93. You don't need to be nt

[H2O Man]

124. Right.

He can read it, as knowing what one is talking about provides distinct advantages over spouting off about something one knows nothing about.

Thank you.

[Blue_Tires]

57. I'll let him answer:

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Trumpocalypse]

61. Sounds like he's making excuses

Per the Daily News article:

Working Families Party state director Bill Lipton couldn’t be immediately reached for comment Thursday morning, but told the New York Times he was rebuffed when he asked Crowley to give up the line in favor of Ocasio-Cortez.

[kcr]

100. Oh, the Daily News? Well, never mind

[Trumpocalypse]

101. Then read the Times article

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/11/nyregion/ocasio-cortez-primary-third-parties.html

[kcr]

103. I did.

It explains that this is a quirk of NY law. Her tweet was obviously a smear against Crowley when you learn the facts. Not a good look for Ocasio-Cortez.

[Trumpocalypse]

104. It also states

Bill Lipton, state director of the Working Families Party, said he immediately reached out to Mr. Crowley’s campaign to request that he vacate the line.

To Mr. Lipton’s chagrin, his campaign declined; Mr. Crowley will remain on the ballot in November.

And

The Working Families Party must go through a convoluted legal maneuver, essentially nominating the unwanted primary winner for another electoral position on the ballot — often one that he or she has little chance of winning, like a county clerkship in a region of the state dominated by the other party.

[kcr]

105. Yeah. And none of that equals mounting a 3rd party challenge.

She's a nutjob.

[Trumpocalypse]

107. Maybe

But it sounds like Crowley is playing games here. He should do whatever it takes to get off the ballot and turn that slot over to her. Splitting the vote will only help the GOP.

[kcr]

108. It only sounds like that because he's being smeared

No one is smearing any other candidate that the very same thing will happen to, nor have they smeared them in the past. This is utter bullshit. She is either very naive or she went to the Karl Rove school of politics. Either way, it doesn't look good.

[Trumpocalypse]

109. He's not being smeared

He's playing games. He's pretending that he can't take his name off the ballot but there are ways that he can. The Working Families party asked him to and they were rebuffed. Are they smearing him to?

[kcr]

111. He isn't pretending. It's a fact.

He can't simply be taken off the ballot. They would have to nominate him for another position. It isn't "playing games" to refuse to agree to such sham workarounds. The obvious solution would be to get rid of this ridiculous law, but until then parties will have to live with the fact that whoever they nominate will stay on the ballot. There is no mounting of a third party challenge here. That is a lie.

[Trumpocalypse]

115. Not a sham workaround

But a viable option to ensure that the votes aren't split in November.

[kcr]

158. He's. Not. Running.

What is so hard?

[Trumpocalypse]

171. The. He should take his name off the ballot.

Is that so hard?

[stevenleser]

113. The problem with all your comments is, he's not running. He's not campaigning. That undercuts

your arguments completely.

I've read everything you wrote and everything RandySF has written. Both of you have provided links. RandySF's take and evidence makes more sense based on the fact that Crowley isn't campaigning.

That's not someone who is running. If he was mounting a 3rd party run, he would have a ton of work to do to even have a shot. He's not doing that work.

[Trumpocalypse]

116. He's still on the ballot

He's should do whatever he has to to ensure the votes aren't split in November. This election is too important.

[stevenleser]

118. And RandySF provided links as to why that was and his links make sense. Your links dont make sense.

Again, based on the evidence. He's not running.

[Trumpocalypse]

127. Not running yet

The links I showed were from the NY Times article. So you're saying that the NY Times article doesn't make sense.

And what links of Randy's are you referring to? Scanning the thread, I can't find that he provided any.

[stevenleser]

129. That's what you're going with? That's so thin it's nonexistent

“Well, he doesn’t seem to be mounting any kind of a campaign yet but he might”

No. Just no.

[Trumpocalypse]

138. What links?

You said Randy has better links? Where are they?

And if Crowley is not planning anything why has he refused the Working Families party's request to take his name off the ballot?

[H2O Man]

149. Read posts 87, 91, & 93

[Cha]

139. Cynthia Nixon will also appear on the NYS Gubernatorial ballot

on the WFP line, even if she loses the primary, and could take votes away from Andrew Cuomo in the General Election.

That's how it goes in New York State.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10859610

[Cha]

142. Thanks for the latest tweet, Blue_Tires

Link to tweet

[SaschaHM]

31. Sigh, I was charmed by her on election night, but if this is how she responds to a quirk in

state election law then she's really not going to get far in Washington.


Crowley would probably have an outright to close win with a high turnout election in his district (in 2016 170k voted in the general, 147k for him while only 27k voted in the primary) so I really don't see why her campaign is being as acidic when he feasibly holds a lot of power her. A Crowley 3rd party bid would be a disaster for her. Might be best not to blow this story up more than it has. A divide along lines similar to the last primary would be devasting.

[Blue_true]

88. She is more than a bartender.

She took on a second job bar tending to help her mom avoid losing the mom's home to foreclosure after her dad died of cancer. Her day job is teaching in early childhood education and she moonlighted as a community organizer.

[KCDebbie]

40. Looks like Ocasio-Cortez got suckered into

Giving an inflammatory response to a made-up situation.

Prolly someone posing as a reporter or supporter told her that Crowley was mounting a third party candidacy just to get her angry response and start some $#!t and Alexandria FELL for it!

[OnDoutside]

46. That's what an inexperienced candidate throws up, unfortunately. Best thing she could do now, is

quickly apologise and move on. She's embarrassed herself on this one.

[Blue_Tires]

49. But Crowley said he isn't running?

Asked about Mr. Crowley’s plans regarding the Working Families Party line, a campaign spokeswoman said only: “Joe Crowley is a Democrat. He’s made clear he is not running for Congress and supports the Democratic nominee in NY-14.”

In Mr. Crowley’s case, vacating the line is not that simple. The Working Families Party must go through a convoluted legal maneuver, essentially nominating the unwanted primary winner for another electoral position on the ballot — often one that he or she has little chance of winning, like a county clerkship in a region of the state dominated by the other party.

[Squinch]

67. It would be great if she would work against republicans instead of spending her

reputation on this kind of nonsense.

[Nanjeanne]

75. Nancy Floreen, long time Dem - is now launching campaign as Independent to run against progressive D

It's Joe LIEberman all over again - an establishment Democrat unable to it seems to support the progressive Democrat with strong union backing - so she becomes a spoiler and risks losing seat to Republican. [link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/nancy-floreen-to-run-for-montgomery-county-executive-as-an-independent/2018/07/11/68b37ff8-8506-11e8-8f6c-46cb43e3f306_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0f66f6f1e7bf|

So sorry. So sorry - I'm a supportor of Ocasio-Cortez and think Cowley should do what he can to vacate the WFP line.

[RandySF]

77. It can only be vacated under NY law

If he dies, moves or gets convicted of a crime. Why does no one call on Cortex to get her name off the Reform Party line in a neighboring district?

[Nanjeanne]

78. Her name is Ocasio-Cortez. She was written in on the neighboring district. She didn't submit her

name. She wasn't on the ballot. People wrote her name in and she won. She declined the nomination and said she was running as a Democrat in her district.

Bill Lipton, state director of the Working Families Party, said he immediately reached out to Mr. Crowley's campaign to request that he vacate the line.

To Mr. Lipton's chagrin, his campaign declined;

http://theweek.com/speedreads/784415/alexandria-ocasiocortez-accuses-defeated-democratic-primary-opponent-stubbornly-running-thirdparty-challenge-against

[RandySF]

80. Two points

By law, the only way a candidate can get off a line is to move out of New York, die, be convicted of a crime or accept a nomination for another office.

“I don’t plan on moving out of New York, have a clean record, hope God’s will is that I don’t die, and won’t commit what I honestly believe to be election fraud” by accepting a nomination for another office in a place he doesn’t live, Crowley tweeted.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-ocasio-cortez-crowley-working-families-party-20180712-story.html%3foutputType=amp

2. It doesn’t matter that her name was written in. She will appear on the November ballot under the Reform Party in another district.

[Trumpocalypse]

89. Not true

In the case of a write-in victory, a candidate can accept or decline the nomination. If the candidate declines, the party is free to nominate someone else; if the candidate accepts, the party is stuck.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/11/nyregion/ocasio-cortez-primary-third-parties.html

[Nanjeanne]

96. Yes true. Afraid it all falls on deaf ears.

[Trumpocalypse]

99. There does seem to be a very

anti-Ocasio-Cortez/pro-Crowley group who are making excuses for him and blaming her.

[Cha]

181. Explain this then..

Link to tweet

She was wrong.. Joe Crowley doesn't need "excuses".. the facts will out.

[Trumpocalypse]

186. Yes because tweets by anonymous people are so reliable.

This is Democratic Underground. We should be supporting the Democratic nominee chosen by Democratic voters, not making excuses for someone who’s running on a third party with the potential to split the vote in November.

[Cha]

187. You deny it then.. ok then.. go back to your bashing Joe

Crowley for something she falsely accused him of.

Link to tweet

[Trumpocalypse]

189. No, I am supporting the Democratic nominee

Not bashing her and defending a third party candidate based on an anonymous unverified tweet.

[Cha]

166. "..says that Corbin Trent, a spokesman for Ocasio-Cortez's campaign, called Crowley's team Thursday

Link to tweet

[lapucelle]

194. In the interest of party unity, I hope AOC endorses the Democratic

winner in Tennessee's 2nd congressional district August primary. Brand New Congress is running a former Republican/independent in the November GE.

https://brandnewcongress.org/faqs/marc-whitmire/

In addition, her spokesman Corbin Trent needs to start honing the message.

Theo: What is your relationship to the Democratic Party?

Corbin: Myself, personally? I have no relationship whatsoever. The organization [Brand New Congress] has very little. We intend to run within their structures, and in their primaries, and we’re thankful that they’ve set up an infrastructure that’s going to allow candidates to run in primaries. But we think that the party has—a long time ago—stopped representing the needs of the American people.

http://inthesetimes.com/article/20341/brand-new-congress-progressives-republican-party-democrat

[Vinca]

90. Is he mounting a third party challenge? If so, I agree with Ms. Ocasio-Cortez.

A third party challenge is why we have Trump in the White House. In Maine, the Democratic loser for governor in the primary ran a third party race and that's why they have crazy Paul LePage in office. When Dems pout and run anyway, they give the election to the Republicans.

[stevenleser]

130. You be the judge. He has no workers doing anything, he's not making speeches, he's not attending

events, he’s not raising money, and he endorsed Ocasio yet again on Twitter today and reiterated that he isn’t running and that she won.

He is as much in the race as you or I.

[Power 2 the People]

94. Crowley needs to do whatever is necessary to help the Democrat Ocasio-Cortez win

That means getting out of the way and accepting the switch of office the Working Families Party has suggested he legally do.

As disgusting as they are,the Republicans always win elections because they stand together.

We must stick together and WIN.

[Trumpocalypse]

95. Well said nt

[stevenleser]

114. The evidence is, he is doing everything he can legally do. He's not campaigning. If he was really

mounting a 3rd party run and hoped to have any shot or any effect on the race, he would have a ton of work to do and it would be obvious.

He's not doing that. This makes it clear he isn't running and therefore it adds much more weight to his arguments that he cannot legally get off the ballot. The method that Working Families has given him involves claiming he is running in a race to which he is not running. There is another word for that, "Election Fraud"

[kcr]

163. The truth is, even if he somehow waved a magic wand and made his name disappear?

They'd find another way to shit on him. They're unhinged.

[Tarc]

97. Nice try, but that title is precisely backwards

[joshcryer]

110. This is some next level bullshit.

What the ever living fuck.

[Nero Mero]

117. It looks like Ocasio made up the third party thing

I cannot find any statement by Crowley saying that he will run for a third party or as an independent.

[stevenleser]

119. He's not running. And that's why what Ocasio and those defending her statements are saying doesnt

make sense at all.

He isn't campaigning AT ALL. Not even a little bit. There are no workers on his behalf doing ANYTHING.

That's not someone who is mounting a 3rd party run.

[joshcryer]

128. They want him to disappear completely.

They just "want him gone" as the kids say these days.

It's highly unlikely he'd harm her vote.

As long as she continues to be abrasive toward him I don't think he has to do a damn thing.

[radius777]

141. Crowley doesn't believe in election fraud,

as the only way to vacate the line is the 'fake run' for another office, ie by moving to another district and running for an office he's likely to lose.

NYS law is the issue, not Crowley, who isn't doing anything wrong.

Ocasio-Cortez is a democratic socialist Berniecrat and a newcomer, yet she wants to try to push around a loyal long time Democrat who suffered a humiliating defeat and graciously deal with it.

And it's a strong blue district, so I don't know what she's going on about.

I find it ironic that a Berniecrat is complaining about 'third party' challenges lol. "We must open up the Democratic party for all voices to have a say!" lol.

[R B Garr]

144. It is indeed the ultimate irony that they are now concerned with

"third party" challenges. That's exactly right. The whole ethos of their short-lived organization is to challenge anyone anywhere, hence her challenge to a safe seat Democrat. It's absurd to now see how offended they are over virtually nothing.

[Power 2 the People]

143. All of your hatred for Jill Stein and Susan Sarandon yet you're doing the same thing to Ocasio

This is addressed to all posters, not specifically the OP:

What Working Families is asking Crowley to do is NOT ILLEGAL. Stop justifying your duplicity. It is merely a graceful way of avoiding siphoning votes from Ocasio-Cortez. Seeing what happened to Hillary, Crowley needs to avoid splitting the vote at all costs. As a good Democrat, Crowley needs to bow to the people's choice and do everything he can to support the DEMOCRAT the district chose to challenge the Republican.

If you were opposed to Sarandon and Stein actions in 2016 you can't be in favor of Crowley staying on the ballot to muddy the waters!

[Demsrule86]

152. You have to say something that is not true...run for an office you don't even live in the district..

I can see why he doesn't do it...in such a deep blue district, she should be fine.

[RandySF]

153. Who was going to hold her to the same standard?

Crowley had said in a debate on NY1 before the June 26 primary that he would back Ocasio-Cortez if she won.

“I’m willing to make the pledge tonight that if you win this primary and have the support of the people of the 14th Congressional District, that I will fully endorse, work for your, and vociferously and robustly work for your election to Congress,” he said at the time.

Crowley asked Ocasio-Cortez to make a similar pledge, and she said she would have to consult her supporters before answering.

“I represent not just my campaign, but a movement,” she said at the debate. “We govern ourselves democratically. So I would be happy to take that question to a vote and respond in the affirmative or however they respond.”


https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/crowley-says-he-wont-run-against-ocasio-cortez-in-november

[radius777]

154. It's borderline-illegal and highly unethical,

and Crowley who is a respected long-time member of Congress is not going to do that, especially in a strong blue district. Also he's not that old and can run for another office, it could hurt his future career plans.

The NYS law should be changed, it isn't Crowley's fault.

Why should he stick his neck out for her anyway, she's a Berniecrat who viciously demonized him.

She should just be happy he isn't really running 3rd party, because he would likely defeat her with a much larger voting pool.. she won mostly due to low turnout that is dominated by activists.

[Meowmee]

184. I'm starting

To wish he were running because she is coming off as a bit nuts to me now.

[kcr]

157. All the hatred for Dems and yet here is this paranoia that the same thing is being done to them.

This is addressed to Ocasio-Cortez and everyone else who believes in her conspiracy theory about this make-believe 3rd party campaign that doesn't actually exist.

[Cha]

164. stein and sarandon's LIES are what assisted

in getting us the Feckless Fraud in the Shite House.. what's to fucking like about that?

Here's PA's NUMBERS.. thanks to BumRushDaShow

CLINTON, HILLARY
(DEM)
47.85%
Votes: 2,926,441
Running mate: TIM KAINE

TRUMP, DONALD J
(REP)
48.58%
Votes: 2,970,733
Running mate: MICHAEL R PENCE

DIFFERENCE = 44,292 <---

THIRD PARTY

CASTLE, DARRELL L
(CON)
0.35%
Votes: 21,572
Running mate: SCOTT N BRADLEY

STEIN, JILL
(GRN)
0.82%
Votes: 49,941 <---
Running mate: AJAMU BARAKA

JOHNSON, GARY E
(LIB)
2.40%
Votes: 146,715
Running mate: WILLIAM WELD

TOTAL 3RD PARTY = 218,228

https://electionreturns.pa.gov/General/SummaryResults?ElectionID=54&ElectionType=G&IsActive=0

Here's Big Mouth Again.. I'm so sure M$$$$$M didn't give them all the airtime they could spew..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[NY_20th]

167. What the WFP is asking is morally wrong,

and I doubt they will ask the same of Cynthia Nixon if she loses the gubernatorial primary.

[scipan]

175. I expect to see the same people here who think there's nothing wrong

with running against AOC as a third party candidate, to be consistent when or if Bernie ever decides to run as an independent.

Although I doubt he would, since he could have done that in 2016 but didn't want to split the ticket.

[Cha]

180. Joe Crowley is NOT runnig against AOC..

Link to tweet

But, BS would be.. ya see the difference?

[NY_20th]

183. First off, WFP is an extension of the Democratic Party line.

WFP endorsed Bernie Sanders in the New York State primary.

Alexandria is creating a rift where there doesn't need to be.

If this is her strategy for winning the General Election, she is going to lose.

[stevenleser]

197. I expect people to note he's not campaigning and draw the logical conclusion

from that.

That supports one particular narrative. And here’s a hint, that narrative is not yours.

[saidsimplesimon]

192. There are several threads on this topic.

I've read them all before commenting.

The citizens of this District NY-14 have chosen their Democrat to represent them in the general. All Democrats should get behind the Democratic candidate at the ballot box, minimum. To repeat a former comment I made, "I will vote for the Progressive candidate in the primary and the winner in the general.

I gave this pledge to defeat a party, the new Rumpublican party.

[George II]

195. Wow - this is amazing. First she takes on Tammy Duckworth based on two sentences of an interview...

....then Kirsten Gilibrand because she endorsed Crowley and was still talking about it after the Primary, and now this?

She seems to be making more enemies than friends. If she gets elected she's in for a shock when she gets to Washington.

[PufPuf23]

200. Pretty obvious that Crowley is ratfucking Ocasio-Cortez.

Ocasio-Cortez fairly beat Crowley in the Democratic primary.

Crowley as the loser of the primary but experienced Democratic party member should be helping Ocasio-Cortez in every way possible, avoiding any statements or actions that would divide the party in the general election. All Crowley needs to do is to clearly stand down and avoid any issues.

Ocasio-Crowley is starting to appear as a case where some Democrats can willfully harm her candidacy.