It wasn't her emails

[WhiteTara]

[Aristus]

1. That's for damn sure.

Bernie belongs there as much as any of them.

Yeah, he told his followers to get on board once HRC had the nomination. But he refused to drop out until the end of the primaries. That polluted the whole campaign.

[AtomicKitten]

10. Hillary refused to drop out in 2008 until the end of the primaries.

[lunamagica]

14. Because she had a chance. But Saders had no chance as early as March and refused to concede

giving false hope to his supporters, many who were new at the political scene and naive that he could get the nomination when it was mathematically impossible.

[AtomicKitten]

18. She had no chance as early as March.

Bill was working the phones, twisting arms, trying to persuade superdelegates that Obama could not win. Then in desperation they decided to go after the pledged delegates. It was a pathetic exercise in futility that fed the venom of her more rabid supporters, 25% of whom went on to vote for McCain.

[JHan]

21. Nice whataboutism there, but the primary then was more closely contested..

compared to what we saw in 2016. And Sanders himself was demanding Superdelegates vote for him.

He mainly won CAUCUSES and it was obvious that he couldn't make up the numbers to justify the shitshow of a contested convention.. .. which we now know, thanks to the recent indictment, was a gift to the "conspirators"...



And I'd also further add

1) Hillary conceded to Obama, Sanders "endorsed" Hillary, see the difference?
2) Sanders never shut down or corrected claims that he didn't really lose the primary, he has no problem with the lie that he was robbed by the "establishment", creating divisions among progressives which have yet to be reconciled to this day.
3) Hillary proceeded to campaign hard for Obama, and they projected a very united front. It was NOTHING like we saw in 2016 with Sanders' allies continually attacking the DNC, one - Cornel West - going on to vote for fucking Jill Stein.

[AtomicKitten]

24. Bernie campaigned tirelessly for Hillary.

And the leaked DNC emails proved unequivocally the primary was rigged, confirmed by Donna Brazile.

[emulatorloo]

28. Brazile retracted her bullshit "rigged" narrative. Your Putin/Assange talking points don't work

here anymore.

[katmondoo]

30. Really Bernie, I remember a sort of opposition not with his whole heart

[JHan]

33. The DNC emails did not prove any such rigging.

Nice try. Don't make me explain..... this is silliness.

I love the idea of the DNC being this superpower that can alter the outcome of state-run elections. I really do.

And no he didn't campaign "tirelessly" for her. Two weeks before the election he was preoccupied with writing his book.

And Donna Brazille couldn't even get the agreements right. These talking points have been repeatedly debunked.

Not even Brazille made the kind of rigging claims you're making here.

Sanders lost the primaries, fair and square and for reasons that were easily avoidable.

[R B Garr]

35. The emails had nothing more than some mild gossip.

And that was after being used as a whipping post. Can we see Sanders’ emails? Anyone else?

[George II]

40. I think you're exaggerating a bit. The 2016 convention was in late July....

....Sanders made his first appearance on Labor Day weekend more than a month later.

On the other hand, a couple of days after the 2008 convention Hillary Clinton joined Obama for a bus tour campaigning with and for him almost immediately.

[Cha]

51. That's an understatement!

[joshcryer]

52. Hillary and Obama met in Unity, NH.

[Cha]

48. ROFL!

Nah.. not really.

[joshcryer]

50. This is a flat out lie, Sanders didn't even endorse for 8 weeks and 3 days.

Haggling over the DNC committee and even installing a Jill Stein supporter on the board.

[betsuni]

62. "tirelessly"

RIGGED!!!11

[trueblue2007]

72. Nope

[StevieM]

90. The primary was not remotely rigged. Bernie had every opportunity to win.

The DNC emails talked about the upcoming result of the primary, based on what the voters had already chosen to do at the ballot box.

[Jamaal510]

43. +1

[George II]

39. How is that germane to this discussion?

[Cha]

47. Hillary jumped on board and vigorously

campaigned for President Obama. She's a TEAM PLAYER.. that's why he chose Her for SOS.

[George II]

66. She was on the road campaigning WITH Obama a couple of days after the convention...

....but she's wasn't preoccupied with buying a half a million dollar house with CASH!

[Cha]

67. Oh Yes She Did! Hillary is A TEAM PLAYA.. not

preoccupied with book selling or anything else but GOVT for President Obama!

She worked hard to campaign for him.. there's no comparison with 2016. President Obama is the one who campaigned with Vim and Vigor for Hillary in 2016. The Black President!

[joshcryer]

49. Hillary dropped out when she was mathematically eliminated.

And endorsed Obama right away.

[LisaM]

56. She dropped out two months before the convention

Sanders, not so much. He didn't technically drop out till the convention started (they were on different timelines in 2008 and 2016). Still, that's a big difference.

[StevieM]

91. In 2008 there were arguments being made about the popular vote and the electoral college map.

They presented other standards to argue for a win. The argument that winning the PDs is like winning the electoral college was brand new in 2008.

By 2016 it was totally clear that the winner of the PDs would get the nomination. If Bernie had won them HRC's SDs would have gone over to him, just like they did for Obama in 2016.

[lunamagica]

2. Spot on. I will never forgive any of them

[MFM008]

79. Never

[sheshe2]

3. Exactly.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

4. Yep.

[niyad]

5. so damned true.

[mtnsnake]

6. That's pathetic how you photoshopped Bernie's image in place of Pence's image in that shot.

[WhiteTara]

9. I just cut meme out of a twitter post

but you could photoshop Pence in there if you want. He's guilty as sin.

[Cha]

57. I think your OP is the more accurate one, White Tara..

I appreciate this Truth Bomb so much! Mahalo!

[aikoaiko]

32. Yep, looks like Bernie was a late addition.

[ismnotwasm]

7. Yup.

[AtomicKitten]

8. It wasn't her emails, it was her server.

Her unauthorized, unprotected server.

[WhiteTara]

11. That in the whole time from 2008 on that her server

was hacked.

[EffieBlack]

13. The server that never got hacked

[AtomicKitten]

16. 12 indictments beg to differ

Indictment bombshell: 'Kremlin intel agents' hacked, leaked Hillary's emails same day Trump asked Russia for help

Charges filed against dozen suspected Russian spies

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/13/russians_election_tampering/

[Pathwalker]

19. They hacked the DNC servers. Says so in the article.

NOT her personal server.

[AtomicKitten]

20. Her emails were not on the DNC servers.

July 27, 2016: Trump publicly asked Russia to find Hillary’s emails. They acted within hours.

-snip

On July 27, Trump calls for Russia to find Clinton’s missing emails. That same day — “after hours” as the indictment notes, which strongly suggests this was after Trump’s statement — the hackers go after Clinton’s personal email.

From the indictment:

The conspirators spearphished individuals affiliated with the Clinton campaign through the summer of 2016. For example, on or about July 27, 2016, the conspirators attempted after hours to spearphish for the first time email accounts at a domain hosted by a third-party provider and used by Clinton’s personal office. At or around the same time, they also targeted seventy-six email addresses at the domain for the Clinton campaign.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/13/17569264/mueller-indictment-trump-russia-email-hack

Hillary's Email was Probably Hacked, Experts Say

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/07/us/hillary-clintons-email-was-probably-hacked-experts-say.html

[emulatorloo]

29. THEY HACKED THE DNC AND DCCC SERVERS. As far as I can tell you are the ultimate hack

as you can’t stop regurgitating Putin/Assange propaganda.

[JHan]

34. Don't you just love the Hillary's emails "probably" hacked narrative...

I'm still waiting on these "probably hacked" emails to show the fuck up.

[R B Garr]

36. Thank you! It is very formulaic. Facts don't matter,

just fabricated attacks.

[Hortensis]

37. Or our own right wing. Our brains store items we

hear repeatedly as information (EVEN if we're honest and aware enough to recognize them as lies), so people who hung around hostile sites in 2015 and 2016 got a brainful.

[Cha]

45. Does anyone else think it's, uh, ironic that the ONE server that Russian hackers COULDN'T...

Link to tweet

America Chose Hillary.. Fucking Russia wanted trump.

[WhiteTara]

76. It was more than ironic and now that Putin

got trump, the papers there are laughing at him in pity. We chose Hillary twice.

[sarah FAILIN]

15. You mean her husbands server??

The one set up for a former POTUS that was never compromised???

[JHan]

22. did you just "butheremails" this thread?

A widespread problem across government departments was the original issue leading to such a choice. Which should have been the focus, instead dysfunction across departments became a Hillary Clinton scandal.

It is worryingly commonplace for government officials to flout department guidelines when it comes to compliance. Look at government IT audits regarding IT non-compliance and the extent of it will boggle your mind and outrage you if you really care.

Government cyberinfrastructure is archaic and insecure. When Hillary asked for a secure blackberry during her confirmation hearing for Sec of State, she was denied one - probably explains why she went through so many blackberry devices. Her predecessors also flouted department guidelines. Instead of examining systemic weaknesses which resulted in so many officials regularly flouting guidelines, INCLUDING COMEY WHO INVESTIGATED HER, it became all about Hillary.

It is why the FBI investigation came to zilch, nill. And anyone still pushing #ButHerEmails unironically is pushing ridiculously antagonistic anti-Hillary spin based on zero facts.

[Pathwalker]

26. Who was prosecuted? Certainly not Condi Rice, or Colin Powell

who both used private servers. Anyone else at her level?

[betsuni]

61. LOL

[obamanut2012]

87. An AtomicKitten's spots never change

[Unca Jim]

12. Please.

Including Sanders in this is ridiculous.

All he did was run and lose.

[AtomicKitten]

17. It is ridiculous.

Apparently they really were expecting an unfettered coronation.

[Cha]

41. No, you're Wrong.

[R B Garr]

46. Do you think people wouldn't notice the similarities?

The Russian’s sure did, and they exploited it. Your comment is beyond dated and false.

You should read the Mueller indictments. They keep coming.

[betsuni]

59. "unfettered coronation"

[joshcryer]

53. He lost and didn't back the winner.

In fact he was openly hostile to the winner for months.

[Unca Jim]

63. He backed her

He was there at all her events. 90% of his supporters voted for her.

Please.

[joshcryer]

64. No he wasn't, they had a single event together.

And appeared only twice on the same stage her entire time running as the nominee.

Meanwhile many many Sanders supporters flipped for Trump: https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

Why? Because they were the actual PUMAs and Sanders had no problem allowing them to fester.

[obamanut2012]

88. wrong

[Celerity]

25. a simple Google image search would have yielded the original meme

[Nevernose]

31. +1

Including/blaming Bernie Sanders in all of this nightmarish bullshit is EXACTLY what the right wing wants liberals to do.

[WhiteTara]

38. glad you googled it.

[George II]

44. And a simple Google image search would have yielded this:

from twitter:

[Cha]

55. Mahalo, George!

No reason it shouldn't be all inclusive.

[Celerity]

58. Do you think Sanders is worse than Pence in terms of the emails (as that's the subject of the meme)?

If memory serves, a lot of the Bernie supporters (especially the Bros) had a meltdown when he blew off attempts to bait him into taking a whack at Sec. Clinton over them, as he said multiple times something along the lines of "Oh" forget the damn emails already!".

At the same time Pence was out slagging Clinton off over them on a daily basis.

The original, unaltered meme is far more historically accurate and powerful. Unless discord is on the menu.

[George II]

65. You missed the point, it wasn't the emails (aka e males!), it was the white males.

[R B Garr]

68. No revisionist history. All of them in both pictures

are white males; all of them had irrational and similar attacks on Hillary.

Discord would be not accepting reality or not watching and accepting current news about how our nominee was attacked. Please stop. Watch the horrific news today, all kinds of info about how Democrats were targeted.

[Cha]

73. Funny how they're

all oblivious to what actually went down.

If you don't learn from REAL History.. you're DOOMED to Repeat it

Mahalo, RB

[R B Garr]

83. Mahaol, Cha. It is very telling when all that is done is a repeat of PROVEN

Hillary and/or election falsehoods. All you have to do is turn on the news and see what is going on in the world. Can't miss it. Unless you only watch folks like Jimmy Dore on the Russia Today back channels, lol. There is no excuse for the malicious spreading of misinformation about 2016 and Hillary, unless.....

[Quixote1818]

69. This is a Russian troll version to divide the left. nt

[R B Garr]

71. The Russian trolls are too busy blaming Democrats

for their own mess. Starting with Trump, of course.

[Cha]

74. Yes. And, The "Division" already happened and

we got this.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Now we're still trying to deal in REALITY

[stonecutter357]

27. K&R !

[Cha]

42. All TRUE!!

[Gothmog]

54. K&R

[betsuni]

60. K&R

[ck4829]

75. Kick

[jalan48]

77. It's not just Russia. All the white males are out to get us!!

[WhiteTara]

78. No, no. The white males are not out to get YOU

after all, you are a white male.

[jalan48]

80. It's just one big white male conspiracy. Maybe we could use that for a national campaign slogan?

Ii may be just what it takes to make the blue wave happen.

[WhiteTara]

81. That's just the white froth of the blue wave

Joking aside, it's not a conspiracy, it's simply a couple thousand years of ingrained white male privilege.

I'm hoping our white male compatriots will check their privilege at the door.

[jalan48]

84. It's all so simple. Black and white really. No nuances necessary. You may be on to something though,

simple solutions appeal to simple minds and the American electorate may be ripe for it.

[WhiteTara]

86. Oh my. I thought you were being flippant

so I was too. I didn't realize you were a literalist. (is that a word?)

But hey, if I can help sway some of trump's tools with simple solutions for their simple minds, I'm there.

[ProfessorGAC]

82. Just Another Example

This whole thread is another exasperating example that too many of us are failing to recognize who the real bad guys are.

[fescuerescue]

89. Equating Bernie with Trump and Putin

That's a bit thick I think.