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applegrove

(118,863 posts)
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 04:23 PM Jul 2018

LEAKED: Putin pitched Trump on Crimea deal -- and promised him it wouldn't go public

LEAKED: Putin pitched Trump on Crimea deal — and promised him it wouldn’t go public

BRAD REED at Raw Story

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/leaked-putin-pitched-trump-crimea-deal-promised-wouldnt-go-public/

"SNIP.........

A new report from Bloomberg claims that Russian President Vladimir Putin made a proposal to President Donald Trump to resolve the dispute over the annexed territory of Crimea — and that Trump was receptive to it, so long as Putin kept it under wraps.

Sources tell Bloomberg that Putin pitched holding a popular referendum in Crimea so that its citizens could decide if they wanted to stay as part of Russia or return to Ukraine, which held the territory until Russia annexed it in 2014.

During the discussion, Putin “agreed not to disclose the plan publicly so the U.S. president could consider it,” according to Bloomberg’s sources.

The publication writes that Ukrainian officials will likely be “alarmed” by Putin’s proposal — and even more so by Trump’s willingness to consider it. As the report notes, Ukrainian officials in the past have accused Russia of rigging elections in the disputed territories to make it seem as though there is more popular support for the Russian annexation than there really is.

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LEAKED: Putin pitched Trump on Crimea deal -- and promised him it wouldn't go public (Original Post) applegrove Jul 2018 OP
If true, there are very few possible sources for this leak. lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #1
Trump may be running it by his intelligence crew. applegrove Jul 2018 #3
Putin leaked it to show his control over this fool Thrill Jul 2018 #4
Yeah, I think you're right. lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #9
Absolutely Putin leaked it. joshcryer Jul 2018 #10
Ah, the Crimea crime. sandensea Jul 2018 #2
Treaties signed during the 90s ensured Russia would respect Ukraine's boundaries. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2018 #5
Just as well. sandensea Jul 2018 #6
That's not entirely correct... 2naSalit Jul 2018 #7
My point is that Putin's ongoing aggression in Eastern Ukraine is the bigger issue sandensea Jul 2018 #8
A referendum... Saguaro Jul 2018 #11

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
1. If true, there are very few possible sources for this leak.
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 04:25 PM
Jul 2018

Translator (USA or USSR)?
Putin?
A bug planted in Trump's shoe?
The Finns who own the meeting building?
Trump himself?

sandensea

(21,692 posts)
2. Ah, the Crimea crime.
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 04:26 PM
Jul 2018

This falls into something of a gray area, since Crimea was, in fact, historically Russian, and only "became" Ukrainian after it was tranferred to it by the Soviet Union (which no longer exists).

Most Crimeans are Russian moreover.

Having said that, Putin's agression in Eastern Ukraine is another matter - and does merit sanctions.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,220 posts)
5. Treaties signed during the 90s ensured Russia would respect Ukraine's boundaries.
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 04:30 PM
Jul 2018

Putin broke that treaty.

There's no gray area involved.

sandensea

(21,692 posts)
6. Just as well.
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 04:34 PM
Jul 2018

Putin's agressions in Eastern Ukraine alone warrant sanctions and diplomatic pushback - neither of which Cheeto is even willing to discuss, for rea$on$ we're all aware.

2naSalit

(86,872 posts)
7. That's not entirely correct...
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 04:53 PM
Jul 2018

there have been a few periods during the past four centuries, in which Russia has controlled either Ukraine or Crimea... that doesn't exactly equate to "historically Russian" in most historians' measures.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Khanate

sandensea

(21,692 posts)
8. My point is that Putin's ongoing aggression in Eastern Ukraine is the bigger issue
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 05:41 PM
Jul 2018

Particularly given the atrocities involved.

When we push for the need for sanctions, censure, and diplomatic isolation of the Putin regime, the Eastern Ukraine onslaught is our best case by far.

Not that Cheeto gives a flying fuck.



 

Saguaro

(79 posts)
11. A referendum...
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 01:52 PM
Jul 2018

Riiiight. If it comes to pass, I'm sure it will show that 100% of the people in Crimea voted to stay part of glorious Mother Russia and their fearless leader Vlad.

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