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applegrove

(118,865 posts)
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 08:07 PM Jul 2018

Russia Liquidated Nearly All of Its U.S. Treasury Securities

https://politicalwire.com/2018/07/29/russia-liquidated-nearly-all-of-its-u-s-treasury-securities/

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“The Russian government has sold off the vast majority of its holdings of U.S. Treasury securities for reasons that remain mysterious, in a dramatic move that experts are calling unprecedented,” the Daily Mail reports.

“A U.S. Treasury report released on July 18 shows that Russian holdings of Treasury securities declined by 84% between March and May, down to just $14.9 billion from March holdings of $96.1 billion.”

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Russia Liquidated Nearly All of Its U.S. Treasury Securities (Original Post) applegrove Jul 2018 OP
Stand by for the Trump Recession... Wounded Bear Jul 2018 #1
What do the russians know that we don't know, democratisphere Jul 2018 #4
my first thought too catrose Jul 2018 #12
What don't they know? Yavin4 Jul 2018 #31
Yep. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2018 #11
Last time Russia did something like that it was right before they annexed Crimea. Squinch Jul 2018 #2
Dumping a large amount of them is going to depress bond prices. lastlib Jul 2018 #34
They are preparing to invade Baltic states. drray23 Jul 2018 #3
THIS 2naSalit Jul 2018 #5
Hope not! democratisphere Jul 2018 #6
With Trump in office? Not so sure about that. Blue_true Jul 2018 #19
Nah, their base will support Trump and Putin on this Yavin4 Jul 2018 #32
I wouldn't put it past him uponit7771 Jul 2018 #8
Or they're doing it in anticipation of the sanctions Igel Jul 2018 #15
You know they are itching to attack some place and with Trump in office Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #18
Rep. Lieu commented on this earlier today: Leghorn21 Jul 2018 #7
Rep. Lieu beat me to it, but he is right. Big sum to one person, small chage for a major country DFW Jul 2018 #9
Not sure Cali's holding much in the way of US securities. Igel Jul 2018 #14
I tell you, Putin must have a Rep. Ted Lieu dartboard at home, because Rep. Lieu rakes Putin's Blue_true Jul 2018 #20
Russia also had a HUGE show of military force parade/display today or yesterday Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #10
I would guess those "Russian holdings" are Putin's private stash nt doc03 Jul 2018 #13
Take your rubles and your bought congressmen and go to hell. nt oasis Jul 2018 #16
*AND* this means *WHAT*?!1 UTUSN Jul 2018 #17
Not a vote of confidence in Trump, I think renegade000 Jul 2018 #21
Did Vlad give that money to his oligarchs? donkeypoofed Jul 2018 #22
They probably don't want their money caught up in another round or sanctions Renew Deal Jul 2018 #23
Before they attack our power grid with Trump's help? Anon-C Jul 2018 #24
They probably need the money JDC Jul 2018 #25
The Russians have been stacking gold quite heavily. roamer65 Jul 2018 #26
Perhaps it signals low confidence in republicans holding on to their majority. rainin Jul 2018 #27
Shitler has said multiple times that the US could and should default on debt. denbot Jul 2018 #28
Hey, that's "Paid-off Shitler" (say it out loud if you need to)! Crash2Parties Jul 2018 #29
Might be anticipating big increases in interest rates. Who knows. Hoyt Jul 2018 #30
Trump tipped off Putin. triron Jul 2018 #33

lastlib

(23,344 posts)
34. Dumping a large amount of them is going to depress bond prices.
Mon Jul 30, 2018, 01:18 AM
Jul 2018

Could set off a chain reaction, and have a destabilizing effect in the financial markets. Put our economy in a downward spiral.

Or maybe they know the tRumpski gov't shutdown is coming, and there is a possible US default in the offing. That would be DEVASTATING to the global economy.

Either way, it's not good. -- --

drray23

(7,638 posts)
3. They are preparing to invade Baltic states.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 08:10 PM
Jul 2018

So, they are pulling their assets from the us banks in case they get frozen as part of sanctions the us congress could impose (since Trump may not).

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
19. With Trump in office? Not so sure about that.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:20 PM
Jul 2018

But if Russia starts causing trouble in the Baltic states, and Trump does nothing, him and the Republican Party are done, if we can avoid shooting ourselves in the foot.

Yavin4

(35,453 posts)
32. Nah, their base will support Trump and Putin on this
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 11:17 PM
Jul 2018

This is why they fixed 2016 for Trump. Putin probably told him about invading the Baltic states.

Igel

(35,382 posts)
15. Or they're doing it in anticipation of the sanctions
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:12 PM
Jul 2018

a (D) Congress might impose.

Or maybe they needed the money for a budget shortfall.

Or to avoid objections, "If the US is the evil empire, why do you have so much by way of investment in it?"

Or perhaps they simply found a better investment, as safe but with higher yield.

It might be that they're eschewing USD denominated securities to make a point.



We could just say, "We know they're going to be invading the Baltics. They're pulling money out of US securities? That's probably because they intend to invade the Baltics--it's evidence. Now we have evidence that they're going to invade the Baltics." But it's the assumption that provides the only reason for taking the fact as evidence ... for the assumption.

Quixote1818

(29,000 posts)
18. You know they are itching to attack some place and with Trump in office
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:16 PM
Jul 2018

it's the perfect time to do it.

Leghorn21

(13,527 posts)
7. Rep. Lieu commented on this earlier today:
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 08:13 PM
Jul 2018
The liquidation of US treasuries by Russia is interesting. If
Russia did this to leverage the US in some way, it failed. The
market shrugged. Why? Because Russia is a small economic
player, not even in the top ten. In fact, California alone has
nearly twice the GDP of Russia.



DFW

(54,462 posts)
9. Rep. Lieu beat me to it, but he is right. Big sum to one person, small chage for a major country
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 08:20 PM
Jul 2018

It's something like 500 billion rubles, so it might seem like all the money in the world in a Russian headline, but when even California is holding twice that amount, it doesn't seem so huge on a global scale. Makes for splashy headlines, though.

Igel

(35,382 posts)
14. Not sure Cali's holding much in the way of US securities.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:08 PM
Jul 2018

They're tax exempt, but if Cali's holding money in reserve it already has tax exempt status.

CalPERS might be holding some for retirees, but the politicians there like playing political signally games with their pensioners' money. (I know. I still have money with CalPERS.)

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
20. I tell you, Putin must have a Rep. Ted Lieu dartboard at home, because Rep. Lieu rakes Putin's
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:24 PM
Jul 2018

ass.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
10. Russia also had a HUGE show of military force parade/display today or yesterday
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 08:21 PM
Jul 2018

Trump must be drooling over the pageantry.

But the event was meant to show new weapons and capabilities to America and NATO

renegade000

(2,301 posts)
21. Not a vote of confidence in Trump, I think
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:44 PM
Jul 2018

Gives me a bit of hope, because my impression is Putin doesn't want these assets to be frozen. This would indicate that he thinks there's a reason why they might be frozen soon, which might be because he can see the whole conspiracy beginning to unravel.

donkeypoofed

(2,187 posts)
22. Did Vlad give that money to his oligarchs?
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:47 PM
Jul 2018

Or he's gonna cut Spanky loose and he's not doing him any good anyway.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
26. The Russians have been stacking gold quite heavily.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 10:43 PM
Jul 2018

Probably sold them off so they could buy gold at the current lower prices.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
27. Perhaps it signals low confidence in republicans holding on to their majority.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 10:51 PM
Jul 2018

Is putin afraid of the Democrats? Of Mueller?

denbot

(9,901 posts)
28. Shitler has said multiple times that the US could and should default on debt.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 11:09 PM
Jul 2018

The value of US Treasuries would implode, and we would be financially wounded for at least a decade.

I have no doubt that he would default on our debts during a government shutdown.

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