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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf schools reopen, it will be a total shit show.
Whats happens when dozens of kids start testing positive? Will schools have to close again, will this kickstart spikes and outbreaks everywhere. Im listening to Pence, he is poo-point, lying and BS ing all over the places. I think it will really hit home when little blue eyed blond kids start testing positive and getting sick.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,117 posts)Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)onecaliberal
(33,013 posts)demmiblue
(36,920 posts)This situation is so fucked up.
onecaliberal
(33,013 posts)demmiblue
(36,920 posts)I know a teacher who has a son with health issues (heart and lung)... going back to school would be dangerous to expose him to an in-class environment. I also know a few other teachers with families who have had to struggle to do two jobs at once in a state that closed school in March... it has been a nightmare.
It is an impossible situation for many. This is not a commentary about school shut-downs, but more of a recognition about the hardships so many face. Safety, of course, is first.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)demmiblue
(36,920 posts)onecaliberal
(33,013 posts)A week in person. Thank god the university my kids attend is online for fall.
Ms. Toad
(34,130 posts)While parents whose children might be first generation college students might be willing to sacrifice a couple of months, they may be unwilling to put their children in daycare for a school that anticipates being open all year - and put their children even farther behind their peers than they may already be.
onecaliberal
(33,013 posts)Are at school. For people with children that work, and have worked through the quarantine day care has been very important. California has subsidized for essential workers.
Ms. Toad
(34,130 posts)they ought to be able to manage once the school year started.
I was pointing out why the school year is different from summer, because school is not daycare. Temporary arrangements for children to stay with grandparents, or to be parked in front of a TV while parents work are not ideal - but functional - during a period when the expectation is that kids are just being kids. That changes dramatically during the time of year when children gain or lose ground against their peers as to preparedness for high school, college, life. Parents who were willing to make do with child care during the summer are not likely going to be willing to sacrifice their child's ability to stay even with their more affluent peers by sending them to grandma or parking the in front of the TV once school starts.
onecaliberal
(33,013 posts)marlakay
(11,540 posts)Her two middle school boys.
She and her husband are lucky in a way they will both be working full time at home and taking turns helping the kids.
I just think its a nightmare for parents that can't help or have young children while they are working.
I read article today a lady got fired because of noise her kids made in background, they were 1 & 3.
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)... schools with their butts in chairs.
So sorry for that lady, damn
lame54
(35,358 posts)Saying the most horrible things with that overly calm soothing voice
Pure evil
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)approaches.
Seems just saying "Nope, we ain't opening" several months ahead of time is a loser on a lot of fronts. My bet is that school reopening will be delayed as we get closer; but, we lost a couple of months in the Spring and at some point it is going to hurt a lot of kid's future.
Plus, I'm generally opposed to home-schooling -- especially by ignorant white wingers who indoctrinate their kids -- and that's what we have right now.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,117 posts)and a hard place. (notwithstanding OrangeAnus)
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)possible, and then if things aren't better in September, we delay it.
My Lady Friend's 4 year-old grandson went back to pre-school about a month ago. He's doing really well, and not nearly as aggressive as before. It's worrisome for sure, but . . . . . . .
uponit7771
(90,371 posts)... scarred or dead kids who've caught CV19
Ferrets are Cool
(21,117 posts)it for money. They would love to be teaching instead of staying home, but they also don't want to get sick OR see their students get sick.
They ARE torn. At least the ones I know are. YMMV
onecaliberal
(33,013 posts)None of them are great. We all get that. Killing and or permanent medical conditions should absolutely be the highest consideration. Not how much it will cost to keep children and teachers safe.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)uponit7771
(90,371 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)to open if its feasible when time comes. Im not positive the dire predictions are fact, not sure they arent either.
sop
(10,299 posts)If the child is not in school, parents are notified. Parents can be arrested and charged with truancy, they can even go to jail.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,117 posts)Paladin
(28,287 posts)Is that supposed to be a tough call?
Fuck trump, Pence, DeVos, and all the other shitheads calling for a premature opening of schools. Our children's lives are not bargaining chips.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)And hurts Trumps re-election chances. DThere is no choice!
Paladin
(28,287 posts)Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Feel better now?
Paladin
(28,287 posts)I say we call it even.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Right after my stroke, I stopped posting before my OPs were complete gibberish. Id say Im doing MUCH better now.😉
Paladin
(28,287 posts)Phoenix61
(17,027 posts)schooling. Im in Florida and Ive never heard of a parent being jailed for failing to send their child to school. CPS May get involved but they arent going to place a child in foster care for that.
Ms. Toad
(34,130 posts)Some are pretty stringent.
hedda_foil
(16,379 posts)Times have changed sop.
sop
(10,299 posts)for parents who choose to home school their kids. Someone has to be at home to do the schooling, and the curriculum has to meet state guidelines. But, the vast majority of parents aren't equipped to do home schooling, even if they wanted to.
Problem is Trump just wants to reopen the schools to get people back to work so he'll look better come election time. He hasn't given much thought to the consequences, and he doesn't really have a plan to keep students, their families and teachers safe. Like everything Trump has done so far, it's completely half-assed and will only get more people killed.
DeSantis wants to reopen the schools here in Florida, but he has offered no actual plan to keep students, parents and teachers safe. I assume some school districts will require masks for all students. If possible, teachers will attempt social distancing, but that may prove impossible with the school overcrowding we have in many districts. They're also talking about possibly testing students on a regular basis. Still, I haven't seen any concrete plans from the governor.
A lot of parents won't risk their kids' health just to satisfy Trump's political needs. I can't see the state prosecuting parents for truancy, so the "mandate" won't really be mandatory. It's going to be a huge mess.
hedda_foil
(16,379 posts)Course materials too. K-12. Secular or religious. Some good, some barely scraping by. Some online charters ala JEB! You name it, it's there.
https://www.google.com/search?q=home+schooling+curriculum+florida&oq=home+schooling+curriculum+florida&aqs=chrome..69i57j0j69i64l3.13167j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
I'm not recommending it, but when parents want to keep their kids at home because of the virus, and the governor is a Trumpian tool, they do have workable options.
JCMach1
(27,591 posts)At least 1,335 people have tested positive from child care facilities in Texas, the states Department of Health and Human Services reported Monday, citing figures from Friday.
Of those infected, 894 were staff members and 441 were children. The cases came from 883 child care facilities that are open in the state, DHHS said.
womanofthehills
(8,818 posts)Will they be living in cars? Tents? On the street? While Kayne West and Elaine Chow get millions in Small business loans.
TheBlackAdder
(28,261 posts)world wide wally
(21,762 posts)substitutes to fill in? This is almost a guaranteed development come October.
And will Trump and his chief bootlicker apologize when the first student dies of Covid?
ElementaryPenguin
(7,800 posts)THAT'S the "plan!"
For all of us to listen and obey the "chosen one" - the KING BULLSHITTER!!!
spanone
(135,950 posts)He said 'to continue to do what we've done since the beginning'
so they think they have done everything right.....not really, but the think we're really, really stupid
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Which might be the plan.....
themaguffin
(3,833 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,535 posts)but the local governments NEED to prioritize safety, PPE and standards. I want my child back in school bc the emotional cost was BIG the last few months. The programs that cared for essential worker's children in NYC these last few months did well with no flareups. So it's possible to responsibly open to minimize danger.
Now, I don't trust the federal government to get thee infrastructure ready for that to happen.
THey should have prioritized this months ago.
spanone
(135,950 posts)and he thinks the cdc guidelines for opening schools are too harsh & expensive, so next week they are rewriting them for him.
Dorian Gray
(13,535 posts)he's a mess....
Once again, it's up to states and local municipalities to do this correctly.
And I think that when trump is out of office this should lead to a bigger conversation about the need for the federal fucking government when they didn't do jack shit for anybody in a pandemic.
But for now, there are ways t safely open. We need to prioritize PPE and cleaning supplies and safety instruction. School will look different. Smaller classrooms. And for NYC we need some radical ideas to open safely. But it could be done.
I wouldn't trust trump to lead the way though. NO WAY.
spanone
(135,950 posts)hope they are not swayed with our children and grandchildren
Dorian Gray
(13,535 posts)I would not consider sending my kid to school in August. No way.
I live in NYC and trust the planners at my daughter's school and our local and state government more than the federal government.
So each municipality needs to determine what is right. Palm Beach County committed to online learning for start of the year, and that's the right decision there. (I'm not crazy.)
I think openings can be done relatively safely in the North East, especially in less densely populated school systems. NYC will be tricky, but with creativity and determination they can figure out a way to get kids in the classroom safely. (And they are allowing parents to choose to school online.)
I think that teachers should be allowed to take a leave of absence if they choose to do so. It's a tricky year.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,535 posts)uponit7771
(90,371 posts)... can afford that or get it from the government who lied to everyone about testing throughput
pstokely
(10,541 posts)the issue is kids being asymptomatic spreaders, and higher risk school staff and family members, virtual education is harder for the lower grades
Dorian Gray
(13,535 posts)And I know that the government is NOT planning properly, and I don't think it should be done a la Trump. Throw them in there.
Any staff member who is higher risk should be allowed t take a leave of absence or teach online. Just as students in NYC will be able to choose to learn online. (Which will happen this year. Families can choose that and re-evaluate that quarterly.)
Schools need to be provided with sufficient PPE. Teachers and students with masks/faceshields/cleaning supplies/etc.
HVAC needs Hepa Filters ASAP. (Universal)
And when there are flareups (as there are in Florida, Texas, Arizona) schools need to shut down. (I am speaking to NYC right now, as that's where I live.)
When spikes in certain neighborhoods or schools ar apparent, families and staff need to be flexible to going to at home distance learning.
Emergency care should be available to essential workers.
Hiring for aides and assistants need t happen so we can have much smaller classrooms, and schools need t utlize the other door space that they have (or that local city parks have).
I just read that Palm Beach County isn't going to in person learning and since they're spiking, I agree with that decision. In NYC, we are reducing the cases. No current spike here.
A lot of people are answering this question relative to the city they live in. Which makes sense. But I think opening schools is important enough where I live to figure it out safely and responsibly. (So we need better brains than Trump's people.)
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)They will bring it home to their parents and grandparents who will then bring it into the workplace and every place else they go, especially if they are not social distancing or wearing masks.
Also, the teachers will be at very high risk and considering how overworked and underpaid they are, I don't know if many of them are going to be willing to risk their lives to continue in their current professions and bring the virus back home to their own families.
I don't know the answer. It seems to me that there is no good solution, just a less devastating one.
spanone
(135,950 posts)and grandkids
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)If schools are reopened on a national scale in Sept, the result will be massive spike of cases in October. Massive to the point that today's horrible numbers will be a fond memory.
I can't see anything past that point ever returning to any semblance of normality in the next decade. Entire demographics as well as entire industries will be decimated past any measure we've experienced since the 20s and 30s.
Initech
(100,150 posts)But he won't hear that. All he wants is his big parties and big parades that kiss his ass, and that's it.
pstokely
(10,541 posts)the start dates for schools range from early August to early September, the schools in the current hotspots start usually start in August
Initech
(100,150 posts)And what about kids spreading it to their parents? And what about colleges and universities? There's no way this should be allowed, the virus is currently ruling all.