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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 10:19 AM Aug 2020

NYPD is now straight-up fabricating assaults on police-officers.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nypd-storms-blm-activist-derrick-ingrams-building-with-two-dozen-cars-dogs-and-a-helicopter?ref=home

New York City Police showed up on Friday to the Hell’s Kitchen home of a Black Lives Matter activist with two dozen cop cars, guard dogs, and a helicopter. They did not have a warrant to arrest Derrick Ingram, who livestreamed the encounter to Instagram. His fellow activists protested the show of force down the street. Officers rapped on Ingram’s door, but he declined to allow them into his home. They departed without arresting him. In the livestream, Ingram said, “What did I do? What did I do? I was born Black. That’s what I did,” according to The New York Times. A police spokesperson told the Times officers were planning to arrest Ingram for assaulting an officer.


Did I get this series of events correctly?

The NYPD planned to arrest him for assaulting an officer.

The NYPD DID remember to bring a whole army to storm this guy's place.

The NYPD somehow DID NOT remember to bring an actual arrest-warrant for this so-dangerous-we-need-to-bring-a-whole-army super-villain.





It's obvious what the NYPD had planned: Trick him into opening his door, attack him, and when he defends himself, arrest him for assaulting a police-officer.
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NYPD is now straight-up fabricating assaults on police-officers. (Original Post) DetlefK Aug 2020 OP
The NYPD has been out of control Trumpocalypse Aug 2020 #1
Before then (ask Frank Serpico), but from even before Day 1 Rudy egged on police abuses... JHB Aug 2020 #7
Isn't this the same thing DHS is preparing to do in Portland? B Stieg Aug 2020 #2
Portland? They are in every major dem controlled city. getagrip_already Aug 2020 #4
Well said Kitchari Aug 2020 #10
Kick dalton99a Aug 2020 #3
Can a person get a PO against safeinOhio Aug 2020 #5
I bet the union is real powerful. In terms of putting evil, brutal cops back out there PatrickforO Aug 2020 #6
So am I, but these unions need to be broken.... paleotn Aug 2020 #8
it is NJCher Aug 2020 #12
Same here, pro-union for the most part...but I'm not pro police-union sdfernando Aug 2020 #15
***THIS IS EMBARRASSING !!*** I'm embarrassed for the NYPD, they look stupid and butt hurt uponit7771 Aug 2020 #9
K&R n/t Kitchari Aug 2020 #11
Also known as the Mitt Romney Manoeuver rocktivity Aug 2020 #13
It's what they did with Eric Garner. MurrayDelph Aug 2020 #19
They claim he damaged the hearing of an officer bluedye33139 Aug 2020 #14
If things get wild around election day DENVERPOPS Aug 2020 #16
I think what they wanted was to get him onto doorstep/street and Texin Aug 2020 #17
Arggg, where is de Blasio on this?? onetexan Aug 2020 #18
Kick Demovictory9 Aug 2020 #20

JHB

(37,166 posts)
7. Before then (ask Frank Serpico), but from even before Day 1 Rudy egged on police abuses...
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 12:06 PM
Aug 2020

...and fought any attempt to hold police accountable for them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2016/11/16/more-on-the-time-rudy-giuliani-helped-incite-a-riot-of-racist-cops/

More on the time Rudy Giuliani helped incite a riot of racist cops
Opinion by Radley Balko
November 16, 2016 at 11:47 a.m. EST

In part of my post yesterday, I noted that during his first successful campaign for electoral office, Giuliani helped incite a riot involving thousands of mostly white, mostly drunk police officers. On Twitter, Aaron Stewart-Ahn sent along this local news account of the incident:



It’s worth noting that this report came shortly after the riots. They were actually quite a bit worse than described. Again, here’s longtime New Yorker and civil libertarian Nat Hentoff recounting them in a recent piece published at the Cato Institute:

Yet the uniformed police present did little to stop them. Why? Because the rioters were nearly all white, off-duty NYPD officers. They were participating in a Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association demonstration against Mayor David Dinkins’ call for a Civilian Complaint Review Board and his creation earlier that year of the Mollen Commission, formed to investigate widespread allegations of misconduct within the NYPD. In the center of the mayhem, standing on top of a car while cursing Mayor Dinkins through a bullhorn, was mayoral candidate Rudy Giuliani.
***
Newsday columnist Jimmy Breslin described the racist conduct in chilling detail:
“The cops held up several of the most crude drawings of Dinkins, black, performing perverted sex acts,” he wrote. “And then, here was one of them calling across the top of his beer can held to his mouth, ‘How did you like the n*****s beating you up in Crown Heights?’”
The off-duty cops were referring to a severe beating Breslin suffered while covering the 1991 Crown Heights riots in Brooklyn.
Breslin continued: “Now others began screaming … ‘How do you like what the n*****s did to you in Crown Heights?’
“ ‘Now you got a n****r right inside City Hall. How do you like that? A n****r mayor.’
“And they put it right out in the sun yesterday in front of City Hall,” Breslin wrote. “We have a police force that is openly racist …”


B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
2. Isn't this the same thing DHS is preparing to do in Portland?
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 11:08 AM
Aug 2020

Profile and "pre-arrest" various group leaders?

getagrip_already

(15,010 posts)
4. Portland? They are in every major dem controlled city.
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 11:25 AM
Aug 2020

This is a playbook event. It isn't a rogue squad out there. To mobilize a copter and backup teams they need a commander and support staff. This isn't an organic or spontaneious collection of resources.

Someone is issuing these tactics and a lot of terror cells are picking them up. This is straight out of putins playbook. It's not hard to figure out where this is originating.

It was clear when they didn't knock the door down and toss stun grenades that they had no warrant. Police with an arrest warrant don't need a warrant to enter a building to make an arrest, even if the suspect doesn't usually visit there. They just need probable cause the target is inside and they can enter. You can argue that one till yu are blue in the face but it has been settled law for decades.

So if this is a playbook tactic, you will see it over and over, and there really is no way to protect against it since every officer in the cell will back up the play.

They think that if they cut the head off the movement and arrest organizers it will stop it. It plays well to the base. Maybe they are right, and maybe they are dealing with starfish. We don't know yet.

Is it chilling public participation in protests? You decide, but we are seeing massive police power in several arrests, people being charged in ways that could get them life in prison or fines beyond nyones means to pay, and beatings and even disapearances.

But unlike during the civil rights movement, it is being done in secret. There are few videos of most of it. The terror cells remain anonymous without even having to wear an identifying code that could be traced back to them by the departments themselves. Nameless. Faceless. No trail.

We aren't far from wondering where people went. Beware free helicopter rides.

PatrickforO

(14,608 posts)
6. I bet the union is real powerful. In terms of putting evil, brutal cops back out there
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 11:53 AM
Aug 2020

after they instigate brutality.

I am very pro-union, but unions need to be negotiating wages and pension plans, and making sure someone accused of something gets due process. Problem is, these police unions have gone overboard with that. And what the heck is de Blasio doing?

paleotn

(18,015 posts)
8. So am I, but these unions need to be broken....
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 12:07 PM
Aug 2020

and the departments the represent hollowed out and rebuilt. There's volumes written by the other side on how to break unions. Break the goddamn thing!!

NJCher

(35,843 posts)
12. it is
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 12:30 PM
Aug 2020

I'm pro-union, am in a union, sit on the executive board of a union, and when I see the NY police's union president on TV I have to shut it off because he's such a belligerant, puglistic jerk.

They pretty much run the mayor around with a dog collar.

In state negotiations (I'm NJ) for pay (I'm a state employee, being a teacher), we see what the police unions get that the other state workers would only dream of. They are a special class, created by themselves over the years, and they are formidable to fight.

sdfernando

(4,962 posts)
15. Same here, pro-union for the most part...but I'm not pro police-union
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:15 PM
Aug 2020

police unions in big cities and large urban areas have shown themselves to be the same the mafia and its leaders are nothing but mob bosses. They shake down businesses, same as the mafia. Demand payoffs to "look the other way" same as the mafia. Frame innocent people, plant evidence, steal evidence, kill people with impunity.

The bad apples have rotted the entire barrel. The so called "good cops" are letting the bad do their business and looking the other way.
How does that make them a good cop when they see a cop committing a crime and don't take action on it?

These unions need to be broken! Serious and EFFECTIVE citizen oversight needs to be implemented with the power to get bad cops off the street and fired. Publicly available discipline records, nationwide database with consequences to local law enforcement that hires someone off that list.

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
9. ***THIS IS EMBARRASSING !!*** I'm embarrassed for the NYPD, they look stupid and butt hurt
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 12:17 PM
Aug 2020

... at the same fuckin time.

rocktivity

(44,588 posts)
13. Also known as the Mitt Romney Manoeuver
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:02 PM
Aug 2020

Remember when it turned out that he retired from Bain Capital two years "retroactively"? Now the cops can issue arrest warrants retroactive to the crime?


rocktivity

MurrayDelph

(5,307 posts)
19. It's what they did with Eric Garner.
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:53 PM
Aug 2020

The claim was that he was "resisting arrest," but he was never told he was under arrest. The cop with a short-person complex was slapping him on the belly, Mr. Garner said "don't touch me," short cop didn't like being talked-back to, and choked him to the ground, triggering the heart attack.

Eric Garner was killed for resisting assault under color of authority.

bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
14. They claim he damaged the hearing of an officer
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:07 PM
Aug 2020

The post says that police are claiming he damaged the hearing of an officer by using a bullhorn once.

That sounds sketchy. It literally sounds like they're claiming that his speech damaged an officer. That is such b*******.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/07/police-unions-slam-nypd-retreat-at-home-of-cop-assault-suspect/

DENVERPOPS

(8,903 posts)
16. If things get wild around election day
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:19 PM
Aug 2020

or the next day, People should not expect the police to come to their aid.......or the State's National Guard......

Sturgis in So Dakota is going to be fascinating to watch.......a quarter of a million drunken motorcyclists, crowded together in bars for a week. Oh, my.........

Sadly, they will all return to their homes across the U.S. and cause a new crisis by spreading the virus across the entire U.S. Too bad they don't have to stay in SoDak and let the pro trump governor have to deal with all the people getting sick and dying.........

Texin

(2,600 posts)
17. I think what they wanted was to get him onto doorstep/street and
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:24 PM
Aug 2020

instigate a confrontation in which they could allege assault/attempted assault. When he declined to engage and closed his door when they could't produce a viable arrest warrant for trumped*-up charges, couldn't lawfully do anything further.

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