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Leghorn21

(13,527 posts)
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 03:01 PM Feb 2021

Meanwhile, it's raining INDICTMENTS today

BREAKING] Anthony Mariotto has been indicted by a federal grand jury on five counts




BREAKING] Couy Griffin has been indicted by a federal grand jury on two counts




BREAKING] Nathaniel DeGrave has been indicted by a federal grand jury on nine counts




BYE BYE BYE
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Meanwhile, it's raining INDICTMENTS today (Original Post) Leghorn21 Feb 2021 OP
. Squinch Feb 2021 #1
How did they catch Darth Vader guy (DeGrave)? lagomorph777 Feb 2021 #2
I wondered that too. Must have been a result of investigations vs. tip-off Dream Girl Feb 2021 #5
I am betting on an ex wife grantcart Feb 2021 #37
Maybe his phone. Mr.Bill Feb 2021 #7
Yeah that's likely. lagomorph777 Feb 2021 #8
Here's a good article on him, as well as his pals Sandlin and Colt: Leghorn21 Feb 2021 #11
Remember that famous painting of Trump crossing the Rubicon, as the British bombed our airports? lagomorph777 Feb 2021 #12
"Ship of Idiots"!! - who could forget?? Leghorn21 Feb 2021 #14
What I don't get is looks like they are going over Niagra Falls. yellowcanine Feb 2021 #21
You may have missed the signature in the lower right hand corner. soldierant Feb 2021 #34
🤣🤣😂😂😂 Alfred E. Neumann (sp?) to the rescue! nt live love laugh Feb 2021 #40
That is a keeper, Bunny! BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author srose58089 Feb 2021 #18
Evidence from the criminal complaint against DeGrave srose58089 Feb 2021 #19
:) Turns out most violent extremists gab and share with others. Hortensis Feb 2021 #27
And in this case, the whole thing was tightly coordinated by Trump and his minions. lagomorph777 Feb 2021 #28
Yes, conspiracy, coordination, and instigation of the Hortensis Feb 2021 #32
fuck them all bottomofthehill Feb 2021 #3
Most excellent Blue Owl Feb 2021 #4
I registered blood donors for years and this girl named Simpson used to come in regularly. brewens Feb 2021 #47
K & R N/T IllinoisBirdWatcher Feb 2021 #6
When are they going to start adding the "resulting in the death of a police officer" amplifier... mjvpi Feb 2021 #9
depends on who co-operates, if needed. Then start dropping more charges. TeamPooka Feb 2021 #22
K&R! SheltieLover Feb 2021 #10
For once in my life I welcome a monsoon! George II Feb 2021 #13
Wait until survivors of dead police file CIVIL suits. Captain Zero Feb 2021 #15
Do you really think that will happen? And if so, how? efhmc Feb 2021 #43
if families don't, lawyers will go looking for that case. Captain Zero Feb 2021 #51
I like the way you think, efhmc Feb 2021 #54
How in heck? Is Couy pronounced??? benld74 Feb 2021 #16
I'm going to guess... NurseJackie Feb 2021 #17
asshole.... dhill926 Feb 2021 #23
Beat me to it! niyad Feb 2021 #26
Perfect! Owl Feb 2021 #38
Grand Jury means felonies- what were they charged with? Nt Fiendish Thingy Feb 2021 #20
One Of Them Got 9 Counts ProfessorGAC Feb 2021 #24
Here's DeGrave's documents, Thingy: Leghorn21 Feb 2021 #29
DeGrave's mask is pretty badass IronLionZion Feb 2021 #25
So pround and happy in the pictures n/t hibbing Feb 2021 #30
If we can't send them to Florence Supermax, I'll settle for... LudwigPastorius Feb 2021 #31
sweet RussBLib Feb 2021 #33
Hope they never see freedom again... 2naSalit Feb 2021 #35
They need to be locked away for a long time. gademocrat7 Feb 2021 #36
Nice to see this! Aussie105 Feb 2021 #39
Yeah, and the instigator orangecrush Feb 2021 #41
Great thread. Some very informative posts. TY empedocles Feb 2021 #44
How about the ringleader???? triron Feb 2021 #45
YAY!!! calimary Feb 2021 #46
Well, okay, calimary, if you insist!! Leghorn21 Feb 2021 #49
And YAY, three times MORE! calimary Feb 2021 #50
K & R. dchill Feb 2021 #48
What were they charged with? former9thward Feb 2021 #52
MAGA mnmoderatedem Feb 2021 #53

Leghorn21

(13,527 posts)
11. Here's a good article on him, as well as his pals Sandlin and Colt:
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 03:46 PM
Feb 2021

...DeGrave and Sandlin are seen in photos in court filings among flag-waving Trump supporters inside the Capitol, and documents cite internet posts attributed to Sandlin soliciting money to make the trip.

“Josiah Colt, Nate DeGrave and myself have already booked and paid for our trip to Washington, D.C.,” Sandlin is quoted saying in a Dec. 31 post, “but we could use your help!”

“I’m going to be there to show support for our president and to do my part to stop the steal and stand behind Trump when he decides to cross the rubicon,” he is quoted saying in a Dec. 23 post...


https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/article_1730569e-efb1-5f30-8c91-36e6115844d7.html

Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #2)

srose58089

(214 posts)
19. Evidence from the criminal complaint against DeGrave
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 04:09 PM
Feb 2021
https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1362391/download

From the criminal complaint:

In this post, SANDLIN referred to two other individuals who have also booked their trips:
“Josiah Colt”2 and “Nate DeGrave.” The post also contains a link to a GoFundMe webpage3
appearing to depict SANDLIN in a car holding what appears to be a semi-automatic rifle and the
caption “Patriots Defending Our Country On Jan. 6th, organized by Ronnie Sandlin.”


I can not cut and paste the relevant parts from Facebook but they are in the complaint

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. :) Turns out most violent extremists gab and share with others.
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 04:29 PM
Feb 2021

While some act alone, very few are actual "lone wolves." I quickly grabbed this from a 2017 The Guardian article for the figures it offered then, but social media activity's gotten a lot of notice and no doubt there's a lot of more recent data on violent domestic groups. Although some must have become more discreet, it's probable, as guessed, that Darth himself told the FBI about it.

Academic research that has shown that very few violent extremists act without letting others know what they may be planning. In the late 1990s, after realizing that in most instances school shooters would reveal their intentions to close associates before acting, the FBI began to talk about “leakage” of critical information. By 2009, it had extended the concept to terrorist attacks, and found that “leakage” was identifiable in more than four-fifths of 80 ongoing cases they were investigating. Of these leaks, 95% were to friends, close relatives or authority figures.

More recent research has underlined the garrulous nature of violent extremists. In 2013, researchers at Pennsylvania State University examined the interactions of 119 lone-wolf terrorists from a wide variety of ideological and faith backgrounds. The academics found that, even though the terrorists launched their attacks alone, in 79% of cases others were aware of the individual’s extremist ideology, and in 64% of cases family and friends were aware of the individual’s intent to engage in terrorism-related activity. Another more recent survey found that 45% of Islamic militant cases talked about their inspiration and possible actions with family and friends. While only 18% of rightwing counterparts did, they were much more likely to “post telling indicators” on the internet.

Few extremists remain without human contact, even if that contact is only found online. Last year, a team at the University of Miami studied 196 pro-Isis groups operating on social media during the first eight months of 2015. These groups had a combined total of more than 100,000 members. Researchers also found that pro-Isis individuals who were not in a group – who they dubbed “online ‘lone wolf’ actors” – had either recently been in a group or soon went on to join one.

There is a much broader point here. Any terrorist, however socially or physically isolated, is still part of a broader movement.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
28. And in this case, the whole thing was tightly coordinated by Trump and his minions.
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 04:31 PM
Feb 2021

These terrorists are far from lone wolves. I've heard them on audio, talking about their training camps. We need to find those.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
32. Yes, conspiracy, coordination, and instigation of the
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 04:40 PM
Feb 2021

various actors, government and private, action groups and individuals, are known to be linked, if not yet proven in court.

This has catalyzed and empowered new and stronger laws related to domestic terrorism, more similar to the surveillance, charges and sentencing allowed for international terrorism. For obvious reasons, Republicans have blocked it as the threats have built, but now Democrats have the majority and a president waiting to sign. They've no doubt already started work on them in various committees now.

brewens

(13,660 posts)
47. I registered blood donors for years and this girl named Simpson used to come in regularly.
Wed Feb 10, 2021, 09:37 AM
Feb 2021

I do a good Mr. Burns and every time I'd give her the "Simpson eh? Hmmm", as if it was the first time I ever heard of her. She loved it.

mjvpi

(1,417 posts)
9. When are they going to start adding the "resulting in the death of a police officer" amplifier...
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 03:40 PM
Feb 2021

In their charges. If these people had more melanin...... I’m just sayin’

Captain Zero

(6,863 posts)
15. Wait until survivors of dead police file CIVIL suits.
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 03:56 PM
Feb 2021

For damages against Trump, other speakers at the Ellipse, organizers and these guys who followed through and killed Capitol Police.

Captain Zero

(6,863 posts)
51. if families don't, lawyers will go looking for that case.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 08:15 PM
Feb 2021

It's only take a preponderance of the evidence to win a civil suit for big bucks.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
17. I'm going to guess...
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 04:06 PM
Feb 2021

... it's "coy" or "cow-ee" or "coo-ee" or "ko-ee" or "ko-oo-ee" or "ko-you-ee"

RussBLib

(9,057 posts)
33. sweet
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 04:45 PM
Feb 2021

maybe they are waiting until this second Impeachment is over to toss a few indictments Donny's way

Aussie105

(5,485 posts)
39. Nice to see this!
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 05:21 PM
Feb 2021

Especially the legal action from the makers of voting machines, who are suing various entities who besmirched their reputation. Over and over again.

The mad days of irresponsible Trump-Think are over. Let the legal system do its thing to redress the imbalance and insanity!

Did they really think there would be no kickback, no attempt at redress?
What were they expecting?
Total lawlessness, or a flurry of Trump pardons?

Leghorn21

(13,527 posts)
49. Well, okay, calimary, if you insist!!
Wed Feb 10, 2021, 02:44 PM
Feb 2021
[BREAKING] Daniel Adams has been indicted by a federal grand jury on eight counts




[BREAKING] Tommy Allan has been indicted by a federal grand jury on six counts #SeditionTrack




[BREAKING] Cody Connell has been indicted by a federal grand jury on eight counts


former9thward

(32,146 posts)
52. What were they charged with?
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 08:32 PM
Feb 2021

How come none of that is in the tweets? Being charged is not the point if none are particularly serious.

This is a full list of those charged:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

I have glanced thru the charges and very few are serious, especially for those with no priors. Federal sentencing guidelines would apply for those found guilty and many of these are probation eligible.

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