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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust heard on Joy Reid how Senate republicans have a sad because trump left them there for dead
When the attack took place. Trump didnt send the guard or anything else. He watched in glee. So if I understand this correctly, its okay with republicans that the mob would kill Democratic lawmakers, but when it includes them, suddenly theyre mad.
The fact that people were calling trump and begging him to stop the attack is all anyone with a brain needs to know this was a coup attempt by trump in conspiracy with other Republican lawmakers currently in the House and Senate.
dhol82
(9,353 posts)sfstaxprep
(9,998 posts)They also know there's ZERO chance a mob of Biden supporters will be storming the Capitol anytime soon.
dhol82
(9,353 posts)That would serve as a signal.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,261 posts).
While anarchism has left-leaning roots, there is a faction that is fascist, hell bent on causing such calamity that a fascist state would form to control the citizens. These fascist anarchists want to kill all political leaders, regardless of party affiliation--or even if they were Trump-supporting Republicans.
This is what baffles me, that the Republicans give Trump quarter while Trump cold care less if they were killed to further the cause of instilling him as the next Stalin or Hitler.
Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Mitch McConnell, Josh Hawley --their heads would all have been on pikes in front of the Capital.
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FakeNoose
(32,917 posts)I don't think Pence had any plans to stick around. There was a lot of confusion, a lot of people running around. Face it, if people started shooting, ANYBODY could have been hit. This was not lost on the Repukes who were there that day.
dchill
(38,631 posts)onecaliberal
(33,014 posts)dchill
(38,631 posts)dchill
(38,631 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,201 posts)Speaking the language of today.
C_U_L8R
(45,046 posts)and a dollop of self awareness. Yeah, you're roadkill on Trump's desperate unsuccessful coup to retain power.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Old George Wallace would be so proud of todays so called Republican Party would he not.
As well as Jesse Helm's.
onecaliberal
(33,014 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)laid in 1992 era by Newt Gingrich and Lindsey Graham,Chuck Grassley,Inhof,and a bunch of other thugs in the House of Representatives.
onecaliberal
(33,014 posts)If our laws do not catch up to these domestic terrorists we are screwed. So many similarities to the rise of Hitler. Its not overstating things at all.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Worked Campaigns for Inclusive Dem Candidates who should have been elected just on their merits and who they are,only see them defeated by a Rethug with Racist NAZI ideals.
Don't have many years left,but do hope not to see our Nation overthrown by a bunch of White Nationalist.
Maybe our new AG will put some nails in their Coffins.
wnylib
(21,801 posts)During the 2017 campaign and after the election results, I tried to warn people. I had read a lot of material on how Hitler came to power, long before Trump ever considered running for office. I wanted to understand how someone like him could gain the following of a nation.
I had also noticed how much more extreme Republicans were becoming over the years until they went totally off the rails with Trump. Trump's ego and personality, combined with a lack of any moral values and a cult following were indications to me of how bad it could get.
But when you mention Hitler, people's minds go immediately to the Holocaust and they dismiss warnings by saying, "He's not THAT bad, and nobody could get away with concentration camps in the US." They did not know how Hitler got his nation whipped up into a state that made the rest possible. They only knew the results, not the path and process leading to those results.
I was horrified by 1/6, but not surprised. I expected Trump and his followers to get desperate enough to organize a violent attempt to stay in control. I did not expect it to be in the form of an attack on the Capitol, though. But when I suggested here on DU that Trump might call on his militia goons to try to hold power, the suggestion got dismissed as overreaction.
The signs were there. But it's hard to see that those signs have real potential when they are too terrible to accept as real. We should never forget that it really can happen here.
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onecaliberal
(33,014 posts)For a 3 day professional development. There are many exhibits about wars, genocide etc..
The Anne Frank exhibit was powerful. There were real artifacts from her early childhood home. We got to hear the in person story of a Holocaust survivor who narrowly escaped Auschwitz with 2 other girls after their parents were killed.
The Holocaust exhibit in all its painful details served as a flashing red light the similarities of what happened then in the 1930s and 40s Germany, and what is happening now in the United States. I hope people really start paying attention.
wnylib
(21,801 posts)Hitler was gaining power, that I think Americans need to learn about, e.g. how he got such a following, how he relied on nationalist militias to intimidate people, which started long before Hitler gained enough votes to have political maneuvering clout. Also, how he wormed his way into a coalition that he then took control of to become dictator. He had the same skill at manipulating public emotions that Trump has. That in itself set off alarms in me. Add to that his following among nationalist and racist militia groups. I could see where it was likely to end up, but could not stop it. I could not even get people to recognize what was coming. It felt like standing on a railroad track with friends, watching a train barrelling down on us and not being able to convince them to move.
Trump would have had less chance of getting as far as he did if more Americans were aware of HOW Hitler did it so they could recognize similar trouble before it gained strength.
onecaliberal
(33,014 posts)When Hitler first arrived on the scene most people thought he was a clown.
Trumps cult is born of white grievance from some imagined bullshit I cant even... A lot of people turned their heads back then, we cannot allow that to happen now.
I never thought any of this possible 6 years ago. Today I am watching a previous political party now a domestic terror organization defend the attempted assassination of lawmakers on January 6th as they were fulfilling their constitutional duty in a joint session of congress. Im dumbfounded.
wnylib
(21,801 posts)I am certain of that. But it will mean working hard to maintain democracy - getting strong candidates to run against R's, supporting them with donations and phone banking, speaking truth to lies, staying alert, calling out the QOP BS, getting out the vote, informing the public of how it should be and what we have to offer. It might get violent sometimes and that violence will need quick legal responses. We need to look out for each other and for targeted minorities.
We can do this. We must do this.
electric_blue68
(15,033 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Oh well,bless his heart,he does not know better. He really did not mean it. Statements from our Congress Person at the time.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)they know their lives were in danger, they know trump didn't give a damn about them, but there are some that won't do the right thing because they are cowards who don't want to lose their job, or have been compromised by trump in one way or another.
Some of them will do the right thing and vote to convict trump, the rest will go down in history as spineless cowards who put a "cult" leader name trump ahead of their country, and their oath to the office in the Senate.
I have served on enough juries to know that in a court of law there would be no doubt at all that trump is guilty.
onecaliberal
(33,014 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)Straw Man
(6,628 posts)He would have gladly seen them all dead and buried if it would have kept him in power. That's what he does; that's who he is.
They may think they can go along for the ride, but that, like every other relationship in Trump's wretched life, is only temporary. Their time under the bus would eventually come.
onecaliberal
(33,014 posts)Trump cares only for trump.
MyMission
(1,856 posts)In making himself the supreme leader, why would he need a house of representatives?
He would have appointed senators, as they did in Rome. Those who are loyal would have received those appointments. That's their goal, always has been. Get and stay close to the powers that be, absorb and aquire some power and wealth for themselves. No more voting, or at least no more fair elections. They figure they're more secure being appointed for life.
They've certainly been loyal! So they don't see themselves at risk. As long as they remain loyal they will be rewarded. Warped thinking by warped individuals engaging in groupthink.
Straw Man
(6,628 posts)He wouldn't know a unicameral legislature if it bit him on the ass. His goal was simply to stay in office so as to keep the lawsuits and indictments at bay.
MyMission
(1,856 posts)The appointed Senate was my thought of what could happen if a coup had succeeded.
I didn't think that was his plan, understood that his only plan was to stay in office. With no VP or speaker, many in Congress and Senate dead too, he'd need to come up with a plan, or not. He'd have just been gloating about how he won and basking in the adoration from his cult. But he does have advisors and handlers and enablers and gofors, and they would have devised and promulgated plans to control; rewarding the loyal with appointments to powerful positions seemed the logical outcome to me. Would he have appointed don Jr or ivanka as vp? He might have thought about that, but not much more.
As I wrote, I also thought about putin and how he might advise 45 to have sham elections rather than appointments. And how the current GOPQ senators will and are doing anything to stay in power.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)as guilty of this coup attempt as he is.
crickets
(25,993 posts)trump left the entire country for dead with his ham-fisted refusal to deal with COVID. Biden is making it plain that a having a competent president might have saved tens if not hundreds of thousands of lives. He's taking steps to getting the virus under control and getting the country back on an even keel now that the crazy toddler is finally gone.
They lived, in spite of Needy Amin's bloodlust. Because of trump's COVID failure, how many people in the US are no longer able to say the same? Screw the crybaby Repubs.
Tumbulu
(6,292 posts)And that is why they dont want to impeach him, because they wanted all the democrats killed as well.
Kablooie
(18,648 posts)So say Republicans whose lives were threatened by Trump.
I mean -- to give up your life for this man is an honor and well, it's damn worth it!
onecaliberal
(33,014 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,580 posts)They're yelling "Lalalala I can't hear you!"
It's bloody sickening.
coti
(4,612 posts)was all about: Trump explaining, "Oh, no, I wasn't trying to kill YOU guys! Ha ha! Just the Dems and my VP after he refused to try to overthrow democracy for me. Sorry if there was any misunderstanding. I hope we're cool!"
occupant
(166 posts)Awwwww Sad sacks. Maybe if there is a "next time" the reThugs should mark 666's on their foreheads and the Patriots will know not to fuck with them*cough, cough*
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)But that would require integrity, courage, a spine, and the ability to push the "convict" instead of the "acquit" button when the time comes. So convicting him in the impeachment trial is out. Maybe send really dumb magazine subscriptions to Mar-a-Lago?
DFW
(54,520 posts)They are the prisoners facing the firing squad that willingly go out before the execution and buy the bullets that will kill them, and are careful to make sure they are the right caliber before leaving the gun store.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)They are idiots to let him do it again.
onecaliberal
(33,014 posts)Do they think hes going to go away in four years from now if hes still alive.