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mountain grammy

(26,685 posts)
1. And please tell him to support Democrats
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 10:45 AM
Feb 2021

and Biden's choices for government positions.. Thank you Rev. Barber for all you do.

karynnj

(59,514 posts)
7. I have no problem if Barber lobbied only on the $15 minimum wage
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 02:48 PM
Feb 2021

I would call it picking your battles. For Barber, economic justice and the $15 minimum wage are what he has fought for for years. Demanding that Manchin vote yes on every Democratic position or nominee, is likely not going to work and it could lead him to become more unlikely to bend on everything.

Here, I assume the West Virginians listening to Barber will PERSONALLY try to make the case on how it is in WV's interest to have a minimum wage that is higher. I know very little about Manchin, but with ANY Senator I would assume that it will take substantive arguments that persuade them to change positions.

doc03

(35,484 posts)
3. I wouldn't rule out Manchin switching parties. He is between a rock and hard place
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 10:50 AM
Feb 2021

WV is about the reddest state in the county. Say what you want about Joe Manchin but I really think he does what he thinks
his constituents want and what is best for his state.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,727 posts)
4. If he switches, his career ends in 2024; if he stays Dem but obstructs Biden's agenda, it also ends
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 11:38 AM
Feb 2021

In 2024.

Manchin will lose the GOP primary in 2024 if he switches parties, and he will lose the Dem primary if he obstructs Biden’s agenda.

Manchin really only has one choice: support Biden’s agenda (while trying to negotiate the best for his conservative constituents), or retire in 2024.

Ninga

(8,283 posts)
5. I think his constituents might not understand or know that it has been the policies
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 11:41 AM
Feb 2021

championed and led by Democrats that they rely on such as Social Security and Medicare. The coal dust blinding them keeps them from seeing how disadvantaged the entire state is.

Irish_Dem

(48,445 posts)
6. Exactly. It is Manchin's job to educate his constituents with the truth. How Biden's polices benefit
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 02:38 PM
Feb 2021

them specifically.

Leaders need to lead. Not follow like sheep off a cliff.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. And it's the voters job to tell pols what they want. These voters
Mon Feb 22, 2021, 04:25 PM
Feb 2021

do not want a liberal Democrat representing them and have been demonstrating that for decades. Have they ever had a chance to demonstrate their attitude toward socialist candidates?

More to the point, has the purge-Manchin crowd identified a favorite Republican they want to replace him?

Even Senator Sanders understood after his coin toss with our lives of 2016 that America's choice wasn't going to be between socialism and liberal democracy but between liberal democracy and some kind of extreme RW fascistic-Christo-kleptocracy. Until the those extreme factions sorted out who was strongest.

Unfortunately for your advice about Sanders' duty to educate his more extremist followers, many clearly learned nothing and are not concerned about the grave threat of RW authoritarianism/fascism. Even with executions by police in the streets, a half million Covid deaths, an attempted end to representative government, and TX's power failure as previews of what that means.

Slow learners or no learners? Maybe a few excited by the possibilities for them of RW revolution?

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