Democrats need to confront the stone cold truth.

[kentuck]

Republicans are never going to speak out against the Big Lie.

They are never going to be converted with facts or the truth.

Democrats cannot compromise with lies and conspiracy theories.

There is no nice way to call them bald-faced liars that are supporting an insurrection against our country.

There is no middle ground for them to stand on, so long as they cling to lies and delusions.

We are where we are.

The Republicans are never going to change until the voters change them.

In my opinion, that is the reality we are confronting.

When they show you who they are, believe them.

[Claire Oh Nette]

1. Lordy, there are video tapes

Play their own words after the insurrection back, on a loop. Play Hawley's disgusting preview over, and over.

There is no nice way to call them bald faced liars because we're done playing nice. Call them America hating seditious liars.

Children's fantasy hour is over.

[Catch2.2]

52. But they won't

...unfortunately. The majority of the people I saw attacking Republicans last election were......Republicans! (Lincoln Project). Dems are too nice, or maybe they're too scared of what people will think. Maybe they just aren't cutthroat like Republicans.

[Celerity]

53. They damn well better get so. The Rethugs are a death cult. They want us either

dead or enslaved. Litterally that is their endgame.

[11 Bravo]

79. But Lard Ass has (successfully) convinced them not to trust their own eyes, (with ...

an assist from the gutless Republican sycophants in the House and Senate).

[magicarpet]

2. AMEN.....

[soldierant]

25. ---

[abqtommy]

3. I believe in locking all the reTHUG Fascist Insurrectionists up NOW. So what's the

hold up?

[triron]

65. Yes what's happening to delay any indictments for Trump, Trump Jr., Stone, Flynn, etc.

[Grasswire2]

4. the imperative that follows your presentation....

....is for Dems to seize the power that the electorate granted us, shove "bipartisanship" aside because it is a mirage, a trap and the road to fascism.

Just be brutal if necessary.

Add to the SCOTUS. Make DC and PR states.

Do it now, before GOP gathers any more momentum.

I realize that Biden wants to implement a relief agenda first.

But that is a high wire act.

Somehow Dems have to act to hold Pugs accountable at the same time.

[Pepsidog]

9. Must be done now. No time to wait. I fear 2022 will be a repeat of 2010 midterm.

[blueinredohio]

10. Amen!

[bamagal62]

16. Agree. DO IT NOW.

[BigmanPigman]

46. I've been saying the same thing

to myself for a few months. I don't want to be in this position at this time and admit it, but we have to. The crazy GQP combined with social media and Fux Ruse are indeed crazy, but people are believing it. I do not see this ending any time soon so we must step up and take action ASAP!

[Pepsidog]

49. Absolutely correct. We watch and scream "They can't get away with that" and they get away with it.

All these good policies Joe is proposing and passing only to have the RW media twist and contort what is happening. Obama comes in, restores confidence, passes Obamacare and how is he rewarded, he loses midterms. All it will take is one Biden slip up and you are right the RW echo chamber will amp up the message to an even more rabid republican electorate. Like Obama saying you can keep your doctor, or her emails etc etc. I have heard plenty of times the Republican Party is finished only for them to come back and now have a 6-3 SCOTUS. We must wake UP!

[uponit7771]

61. +1, seeing that the right in DC is sympathizing with 1/6 terrorist they will ***NOT*** let go of ...

... power if they get it back.

There is no tomorrow, we don't win in 22 we turn into Belarus or Turkey

[Progressive Jones]

5. The GOP is down. Start kicking. nt

[Under The Radar]

6. The silver lining is ....

.... that republicans are losing educated whites, they have lost all the crumbs from any minority group, except the ones that they pay to mouth the talking points on tv. They are losing corporations, their main source of contributions from decades past, They will continue to lose white women. Not that these people will vote Democratic, I think that they will just not vote, they dare a dying breed.

They keep all of the white people that pray with a Bible in one hand and a AR15 in the other, the ones that believe Moses wrote the US constitution but for the life of them can only tell you half of a 24 word sentence that is the 2nd amendment and they believe that they were defending the constitution when they attacked our government while it was conducting a constitutional procedure on Jan6th
I don’t think the idiot party will go to the polls unless it is Trump they are voting for.

[Beartracks]

11. They lost them during a Trump run. Will they stay away for a different Republican candidate?

[Under The Radar]

36. Not sure. There are unknown variables

We know that 60% of republicans believe the big lie that Trump won the election. But what percentage of that 60% will vote for someone other than Trump?
How many were turned off by the insurrection?
Trump will only support someone that goes after all of the republicans that voted for impeachment and any never Trump that doesn’t kiss the ring.
The mid terms will tell us, and it will be hard to wait that long.

[uponit7771]

62. True but their losses are mitigated if they can keep x number of non-white from voting ...

... and that's their plan.

The US is already no where near the democracy index it should be because of the kGQP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

[LakeArenal]

7. They tell the big lie and you know they don't believe it themselves.

But.....

[msongs]

8. gee maybe mike bloomberg could spend a few bucks doing some pro-dems PR. nt

[jaysunb]

13. +1. Nt

[WA-03 Democrat]

14. And Tom Steyer!

[BigmanPigman]

51. Ditto!

[uponit7771]

63. +1,

[c-rational]

12. I do believe you are barking up the right tree.

[kentuck]

34. We should all be open-minded...

What do you think is the right tree?

We should not want to engage in revenge or any type of negative reaction.

But, what is the answer?

[c-rational]

47. Sunlight, i.e. truth as a disinfectant, but it must be coupled with proper messaging. Broadcast

the truths you point out in the OP and repeat the message loud, clear, and often.

[kentuck]

55. At this time, messaging is of utmost importance...

I would agree.

[betsuni]

56. Seems to me that many people complaining about Democratic messaging aren't very

good at it themselves.

[c-rational]

68. kentuck, I do believe we are on the same page and the message to broadcast is what you state

so succinctly...

""Republicans are never going to speak out against the Big Lie.

They are never going to be converted with facts or the truth.

Democrats cannot compromise with lies and conspiracy theories.

There is no nice way to call them bald-faced liars that are supporting an insurrection against our country.

There is no middle ground for them to stand on, so long as they cling to lies and delusions."

One can always hone a message, and honing is a good thing. Thanks for your posts.

[Wounded Bear]

15. K&R...for truth...nt

[Shermann]

17. The stone cold truth is conservatives want to make liberals cry

That's what Stop the Steal is along with most other conspiracy theories.

That's what vaccine apathy is about, as self-defeating as it may truly be.

The anti-science thing is mostly about profits but crying liberals is like a bonus.

The sore winners have transitioned to being the sore losers.

[Pepsidog]

20. They live to own Libs even if it hurts them.

[Tommymac]

70. Actually, these are all Putin sponsored memes. Beleive it or not at our Democracy's peril.

Until we get rid of the main promoter of these authoritarian attacks on our free society, we will never have peace.

Putin MUST be destroyed utterly. And the Criminal mafia that runs Russia today.

IMO, this will be the war of the 21st Century.

[TheRealNorth]

76. They don't need Putin to push memes any longer

The value they get from Putin is from using their spy/intelligence agencies to steal/hack computers and launder that information back to the Republicans, among other things. Essentially, the Russians do the things that the Republicans couldn't legally do in order to win elections.

[Hortensis]

18. What a pity more didn't realize this in 2010, 2014, and 2016.

But those who aren't continuing to ignore or deny are cluing in now.

Better tell selected people among the 80 million who didn't vote in 2020. (!!!)

[Warpy]

19. It seems most of the party has gotten that memo

and is ready to fire up the steamroller.

Manchin and Sinema need to be brought up to date on it. Theory is nice, but it's not going to work right now.

[calimary]

21. Then we simply move through them, go around them,

plow through them, ignore them outright, and get the job done OURSELVES. They’re not gonna help OR cooperate and we shouldn’t even bother with them. Let’s not waste another minute trying to coax, cajole, bargain, negotiate, whatever you might call it. NOPE. Too late. We’ve done that already. It gained us nothing. Give Susan Collins every cave-in she wants and she’ll still say no. Same for Lisa Murkowski most of the time.

Been there/done that and it gained us mostly nothing. I think it’s REALLY time to face the facts and move on without this ball ‘n’ chain brigade.

We should stop repeatedly knocking on a door that’s been glued shut and then abandoned before the glue was even dry. Let’s push our Dems to go it alone and get as much accomplished as possible on our own. We’ll just have that much more good stuff to brag about, AND to remind voters what we were able to do for them, by the time the next elections are happening.

Fuck the GOP. We don’t need ‘em to help get America back on its feet. And they can whine all they want, but it’s time we helped everybody realize that Republicans DON’T want to help you.

Heck, they don’t want to help ANYBODY! Except for their own selfish, greedy, short-sighted, mercenary little selves. The PEOPLE, however - the VOTERS put there, THEY are with us. And they’re from both parties. Voters want these accomplishments delivered, and that includes Republican voters.

Screw the politicians. We’ve got the people.

[bdamomma]

26. The repigs have shown how low they are.

There should be a cry from all of us to hold the insurrectionists and those in the House and Senate were involved to be held accountable. It's way past the time. Repigs will never stop being the evil liars they are.

[hay rick]

22. Most Republicans are damaged beyond repair.

As voters, as citizens, as people. They descended a ladder of lies and the way back up is way more difficult. Don't wait around for them.

[AllaN01Bear]

23. they love to redirect, go sputter sputt sput . change the rules in mid stream,

when cornered they hide behind the bible , the constitiution and then come out swinging. many times the truth shuts them up.

[Dan]

24. Democrats need to read or re-read (audio version is available)

The rise and fall of the Third Reich;

It is all there, what the game plan is and how they plan to win. The Big lie is just one part of the plan.

I’m re-reading (audio this time - I’m just too old to read the book again) the book, and the GOP will destroy this nation, Democracy to fulfill their dream of power.

I used to believe that this nation had a future; I’ve lived through so much; and at one time I believed that we could have a multicultural, multi-ethnic, multiracial and multi-religious nation that could live in harmony. I was optimistic during the Trump reign of terror that we could survive as a nation because so many people of good will voted him out of office. But post-Trump it seems apparent to me that the GOP will destroy this nation, to either put Trump back in power or a Trump clone. Even in the face of all the damage that he did to the nation, domestically and internationally. And once (if successful) they’re in power, I do believe that they will define and kill millions. I believe this, the GOP and its supporters are evil and there can be no compromise with evil.

I’m sorry that I feel this way, but sadly, very sadly I do. I do believe that history has lessons for us and we need to learn from it, good and bad. And the GOP and its supporters are evil and they show us everyday who and what they are.

[bdamomma]

27. Your post

is so insightful. No time to let these seditionists an opportunity to break the country again. They are pure evil, even to the point of auditing Arizona ballots of the 2020 election.

[KS Toronado]

35. Their auditing of Arizona ballots for 2020 election will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt

that Democrats stole the election, and our "special auditors" and only our "special auditors" need to audit states
XYZ next. It's coming round the corner any day now, the reQublicans will not give up the Big Lie. Maybe it's
time President Biden has a nationally televised fireside chat with the public about big lies & insurrections.

[kentuck]

37. I believe truth is our most powerful weapon.

The truth is that the Republicans are covering up their complicity in the attack upon our Capitol.

That is why they do not want a 1/6 Commission.

That is why they still stand behind Trump, the Inciter in Chief that invited the attack.

They lie.

To their supporters and to the public.

We shall let them continue to defend their lies.

That is our most powerful weapon, in my opinion.

[Dan]

38. The Truth has limited value

with a percentage of the population who want to believe the lies.

The Presidency is based on the number of Electorial College votes that you receive. When the magic number is 270, you win. Unfortunately, when a minority of voters have an overwhelming influence with the EC, and they believe (for various reasons) the lie (or want to say that they believe the lie for other reasons), the Truth loses its power. And, that is the Truth.

[kentuck]

40. But to get 270 votes requires some effort, I would think?

If the truth is too weak to defeat a lie, then the messenger is too weak, in my opinion.

The power of persuasion is important.

The "real" truth is closest to facts and reality.

The truth is: The only power we have is to put out the truth as we see it and let it compete with the lies.

People know the truth when they see it.

It is best to give an opinion from a "non-biased" position.

That is not an easy thing to do.

[Dan]

43. Think about the last few elections

Before the 1st vote is cast in a Presidential Election, the score board has X amount for R, and X amount for D.

The Census was just completed, and think about the crap that Trump did to dilute the count for the nation, for the purpose of enhancing the GOP.

There are a limited number of swing states - and where are GOP governors or state houses that are controlled by the GOP, they do not give one damn about the vote, of what the voters wants; With the new voter suppression laws that they are proposing and passing - did you notice that they are saying that ultimately the will of the voters is secondary to the dictates of the GOP? Democracy means little to nothing to the GOP.

Since Reagan the GOP base has been fed the lies that the Democratic base is evil. Apparently, we eat babies at some pizza parlor in D.C.; That Obama was born in Kenya which apparently is part of Hawaii and because it is not part of the mainland - then it's in Africa.

I remember one protest sign that said, better to be Russian than a Democrat, and to this mindset one hopes that the truth will find a willing space? The cement has already hardened and hate; hate against POC; hate against people of different sexual orientations; hate against females that have an independent thought/mindset/etc.; hate against people that have a different religion; hate against the "Other"; My friend, maybe you might be right, but post Trump - to me, that ship has sailed and it's filled with hate.

[kentuck]

45. Perhaps this is an instance where the enemy of my enemy is my friend?

In my opinion, in some form or other, it will take both Democrats and Republicans working together to defeat this fascist force that has descended upon our country.

Perhaps that is an impossible task?

[Dan]

50. Lost my original response for you, but from memory...

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Yes, in theory people of good will, Republicans and Democrats working together can try to right the ship of State.

But, you may have noticed that the GOP is currently feasting on their own. Remember when you were in school and they taught a basic economic fact which is as I remember : That bad money chases out good money. In other words, in a world where there is a lot of counterfeit money (remember the old $100 bills), people will hoard the good money and trade/use the bad money. The GOP is emulating the bad and chasing out the good.

Trump was identified as a threat to the nation when he was running for office, yet he won. The more he lied, the more he was embraced by the GOP. There came a point when he lied so much during his presidency, that I was waiting for him to ask the GOP to commit a 'Jim Jones' for him, and I believe that a significant portion would have. Not sure if it would have been a great loss with the exception of having to bury them.

The Russian news media identified Trump as their Asset and this was not readily identified in our Media, why not, I have no idea.

I think that Trump was a 'willing' asset for Putin, this includes his family (to include the Very Intelligent speaker of five languages wife; his semi-literate son, Jr; the wanna be the first female president daughter and her lying as he breaths husband; and the albino Eric). I think that the reason the GOP leadership is so enamored with Trump is that some of them are on Putin's payroll.

It is my sincere hope that the DOJ under Garland will introduce information on the real Trump, his backdoor communications and his history of money laundering for the Russia oligarchy. I suspect that there are members of the GOP leadership that are also part of this traitors den, and since the GOP regards their first loyalty to the party, none can tell the Truth. Sort of like our problem with policing - that the good cops can't reveal information on the bad cops, so they all share in the blame.

I think that's it telling that the only book that I remember being informed about that Trump has read (or at least holds near and dear to his heart) is 'My Struggle' better known as 'Mein Kampf'. A primer for a would be dictator and purveyor of hate.

I hope and pray (as much as one can) that Garland will not turn out to be a Mueller.

Yes, the whole GOP will one day return to normal, after they have been totally rejected and destroyed as a party. And, when the TRUTH of what they are is revealed for the world to see, and I hope that we as a nation are alive to see and enjoy the TRUTH.

There is reason for hope, people like YOU.

[uponit7771]

64. +1, buh ... buh ... that's hyperbole, that can never happen here. YES IT CAN !! Hitler got to ...

... power with less foreign help than Trump did !!

[hadEnuf]

28. Word.

Republicans are never going to speak out against the Big Lie.

Republicans will continue to do everything they can to push the big lie. They are ignoring and validating the 1/6 coup attempt and that says it all.

They are never going to be converted with facts or the truth.

They do not want or care about facts or truth. They want power. Period.


Democrats cannot compromise with lies and conspiracy theories.

When we try to, they then know that anything is possible.


There is no nice way to call them bald-faced liars that are supporting an insurrection against our country.

Exactly. Tell them and the country what they are. Over and over and over.


There is no middle ground for them to stand on, so long as they cling to lies and delusions.

And we need to make that position clear, dismiss them out of hand, and stick with that.


We are where we are.

Yes we sure are. It is not just a bad dream or a game.


The Republicans are never going to change until the voters change them.

All of the above. They need to be beaten, plain and simple. Nothing else will resonate.


In my opinion, that is the reality we are confronting.

Again, Word.


When they show you who they are, believe them.

We'd better....

[wendyb-NC]

29. That's for sure

Thank you, for posting kentuck. They are out for two things, staying in office to protect the rich. The other is self embellishment.
We the people can go to hell.

[BobTheSubgenius]

30. I don't see them changing any time soon, either.

They seem pretty entrenched in their evil and their insanity. And it's from top to bottom - from GOP leadership to rank and file, from the octogenarians that run their party (and occasionally the country) to the young ones being indoctrinated. It's a massive problem.

[iluvtennis]

31. K&R. n/t

[PortTack]

32. I don't see Dems dragging their feet trying to work with the qgop, if anything I see the opposite

Kinds of reporting..Biden pushes forward without the qgop.

Congress is pushing forward with legislation. Schumer says all cards are on the table and is moving forward

[betsuni]

33. Democrats know this.

Democrats have to try to be bipartisan in public because Americans say that's what they want. There's a public and a private. Like everything else.

Media is doing nothing to educate the public about their government and why it's dysfunctional. There needs to be a massive national effort to educate people and everyone has to be involved. I see a lot of blaming Democrats for what is out of their control. Elected Democrats are busy doing their jobs, they don't have their own infinitely funded media empire like Republicans do to push their agenda.

Republican voters don't even like Republicans or the few polices they still have. The voters will never change them. And there's too much Both Sides and "lesser of two evils" nonsense from elsewhere.

[peppertree]

39. Simply put:

(the Linda Hamilton character would represent democracy in this example; the Michael Biehn character would be Democrats)

[kentuck]

41. That's about it.

[MadMike47]

42. Nailed it!!

[dchill]

44. They call US anti-American because projection.

[GoodRaisin]

48. You are right, of course. And, Republican state law makers are busy rigging

elections through election law changes as we speak. It seems to me that if they are successful in their election rigging and can take back states like Georgia, Arizona, PA, etc., in 2022, we will probably have lost our democratic process. So we need to protect our turf first. Bring challenges in the courts to strike down Republican anti-democracy laws, or at least delay implementation, and protect/defend our majorities in 2022. I think a rigorous campaign against their anti-democracy efforts could be helpful too, where we face close races and need to get enough voters to see the truth in what the Republicans are up to. I think that's where the focus should be. I don't know that we have the votes in Congress now to pass bold legislation with the likes of Manchin pushing back on everything Joe tries to do. Not saying not to try, but I have little hope of anything significant getting done without changing the filibuster rules or eliminating it.

[raccoon]

54. Great post, and so true. Nt

[bucolic_frolic]

57. Red Scare marginalized subversives, we must do the same to non-patriots

There is means testing, let's have intent testing, loyalty oath to the USA to obtain benefits including tax refunds, Social Security, Medicare, government loans, etc.

There was the Red Scare, well this is the same thing from the Extreme Right. We dealt with extremists by casting them as non-patriots, which they were, and these fascists are the same.

[Raster]

58. There is only one path forward...

Vote. Every. Republican. Out. Of. Office.
None of them deserves election or re-election.
All of them are GUILTY of subverting democracy.
NOTHING will ever get better in the U.S. until the GOP* is gone!

#VoteEveryRepublicanOut #DeleteTheGOP

[Loge23]

71. Easier said than done

The GQP is actively subverting the electoral process to hold on to minority rule.
We're seeing several states actually legislate voter suppression! Unimaginable just even a decade ago, when most states were expanding voting access.
Yes, we must vote them out, but the American people must wake up first - and fast.

[Brother Mythos]

59. Agreed.

[Roc2020]

60. Frankly most Democrats

have already concluded that about Republicans.

[malaise]

66. Great post

Rec

[SayItLoud]

67. Thank you! We need to bookmark this and read it over.

And over again.

If WE don't vote them out, WE will lose much more than a seat in the House, Senate, a Governorship, State representatives.

They are changing voting laws and setting up ways to cheat. If WE don't think that what happened in 2020 isn't going to happen again; challenges up and down the voting blocks we are delusional. They have showed us their playbook and we better have learned from it.

We must use FEAR as they use fear to get out the vote. Mere facts will not be enough (IMO).

We MUST use all the VIDEO they have put in our hands from the insurrection to remind people WHO THEY ARE!

We will NEVER change the core but we MUST pick off the outliers.

Rant over. Again, thanks for posting your concise clear view.

[pandr32]

69. Every word!

[friendly_iconoclast]

72. Truer words were never spoken K&R

[LiberalLovinLug]

73. If Trump would have "won". How angry and motivated would we be?

Not that I'm into the Sarandon theory of revolution, but dammit, close your eyes, just imagine, for one second, we were living in the first months of a second Trump term. Vaccines would be stalled. Still would be no plan. And even more draconian laws would be enacted to curtail civil rights.

We have to retain our spirit of RESIST. Because its all still there. Some have gone dormant. But they are all there under the surface. With assholes like Carlson keeping the fires stoked.

Imagine the anger by Democrats facing an even more arrogant defiant Senate and Whitehouse who complete their takeover of institutions, especially the oversight ones. Dems have to still be that angry about the insurrection. Don't allow the Republicans to define the narrative.

I imagine some good documentaries will come out about the insurrection. I also predict that if its a truthful, harrowing account, it will be dismissed as 'fake news' by Fox n friends in the media. They want to normalize the notion that its a he said....she said definition. And that its perfectly legitimate having the opinion that it was simply a protest by patriots gone wrong exaggerated by the fake news, or sparked by Antifa provocateurs, and that Trump had no responsibility for it, etc etc..
We can't let that happen

[CrackityJones75]

74. Usually I have to turn into Fox to read about dems in disarray.

[kentuck]

75. Is that how you read the post and comments?

If so, perhaps you should go back to FOX FAKE News?

[CrackityJones75]

77. I mean your reply just screams unity.

[kentuck]

78. Unless you are a right-winger...

You would have interpreted it very differently, in my opinion.

The gist of the post is that Democrats should not waste their time on trying to convert Republicans or admit to the facts in front of their faces, including their refusal to begin a 1/6 Commission, and their attempt to minimize that anything ever happened, mostly due to their complicity.

Most of the responses did not see any relation to FOX News....except you.

[CrackityJones75]

80. Oh so I am a right winger.

nice. An unfounded accusation.

Look through my posts you will see that isn’t the truth.

[kentuck]

81. I'm saying the thread did not say that the Democrats were in "disarray".

And that is what you said, despite your protestations.

[Trueblue Texan]

82. This is the truth.nt