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Wasserman's seen enough--Youngkin defeats McAuliffe (Original Post) book_worm Nov 2021 OP
Damn. honest.abe Nov 2021 #1
who is Wasserman? Link ? DURHAM D Nov 2021 #2
Election prognosticator. BlueCheeseAgain Nov 2021 #6
Dave Wasserman from Cook Report AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #9
Yeah, doesn't look good at all. BlueCheeseAgain Nov 2021 #3
Looks like the 6% flip is coming from rural areas meaning more Trump counties voted for Youngkin uponit7771 Nov 2021 #11
It's not only the rural counties. Claustrum Nov 2021 #21
Enjoy your racism and massive Covid outbreaks Virginia nt maryellen99 Nov 2021 #4
The stupid don't understand what they elected. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2021 #16
Isn't it too early carburyme Nov 2021 #5
They have done the numbers per county and both Wasserman and Nate Cohn Claustrum Nov 2021 #12
It's over. Nt VarryOn Nov 2021 #7
When I heard David Plouffe earlier on MSNBC tishaLA Nov 2021 #8
So the GOP culture war against school boards and science beats Democratic messaging? highplainsdem Nov 2021 #10
what WAS the DEM messaging? WarGamer Nov 2021 #18
It wasn't strong enough or coherent enough. highplainsdem Nov 2021 #22
Only 64% of democrats believe Voter Suppression is a problem (link), what messaging? Last year ... uponit7771 Nov 2021 #19
or lack thereof LuvLoogie Nov 2021 #24
Yep. highplainsdem Nov 2021 #25
Hope the Biden obstructionists in our party are happy wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #13
This is as much on McAuliffe as anyone. Drunken Irishman Nov 2021 #17
What was wrong with the campaign this go around? thx in advance uponit7771 Nov 2021 #23
Lots... Drunken Irishman Nov 2021 #35
#5 was just a stupid mistake and there was no recovering from it. Lochloosa Nov 2021 #36
Thx, I've been posting dems "CRT" like issue to stoke votes is 1/6 but we're pussyfooting around uponit7771 Nov 2021 #51
YEP !!! "...They vote emotions...." AMEN !! I just rec'd this comment a couple of minutes ago. Dems uponit7771 Nov 2021 #53
Exactly. Claustrum Nov 2021 #26
+1, I posted this months ago that dems are letting MAGA define CRT and they're going to use it to .. uponit7771 Nov 2021 #30
What say should they have? BlueStater Nov 2021 #34
Easy. "I think we need better cooperation and communication..." Drunken Irishman Nov 2021 #37
Yeah... Dorian Gray Nov 2021 #45
If it was up to certain right-wing parents, their kids would never learn about evolution or slavery. BlueStater Nov 2021 #50
Right... Dorian Gray Nov 2021 #52
Stop conflating two different issues. That's what republicans like to do. Claustrum Nov 2021 #38
Yeah, that's a winning campaign message. Crunchy Frog Nov 2021 #42
I'm running a campaign? That's news to me. 🙄 BlueStater Nov 2021 #47
I was thinking about this as well Hav Nov 2021 #31
Need to have something to run on wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #32
Getting good legislature passed is a good start. But we need to do more. Claustrum Nov 2021 #33
Biden and other Democrats couldn't really promise too much wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #43
But we can talk about vaccines or the 36k stock market. Claustrum Nov 2021 #44
Need more than that to excite the Democratic base and win wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #46
Time To Build the Wall Deep State Witch Nov 2021 #14
This is so depressing mvd Nov 2021 #15
Shit. calimary Nov 2021 #20
When do the early votes and absentees get counted? viva la Nov 2021 #27
So Fascist Virginia.. so Cha Nov 2021 #28
Has Wasserman ever been wrong after saying "I've seen enough "? Polybius Nov 2021 #29
I don't recall him being wrong. Claustrum Nov 2021 #48
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2021 #39
Enjoy your stay!! n/t GP6971 Nov 2021 #40
See you on the battlefield vercetti2021 Nov 2021 #41
Post removed Post removed Nov 2021 #57
What it is always about is supporting Democrats. Good luck. marble falls Nov 2021 #58
You love wasting time, don't you? johnp3907 Nov 2021 #59
Enjoy your short stay!! n/t GP6971 Nov 2021 #60
Virginia is about to become the new Florida or Texas. ZonkerHarris Nov 2021 #49
For those of us who live here, it is looking like a very dark day. Neurotica Nov 2021 #54
Who? Youngkin's lead is shrinking. gldstwmn Nov 2021 #55
Blowout manicdem Nov 2021 #56
The lead just shrank again. McAuliffe is down by less than gldstwmn Nov 2021 #61

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,654 posts)
6. Election prognosticator.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:30 PM
Nov 2021

He tends to call things earlier than the AP and networks do, but he's almost always right.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,169 posts)
9. Dave Wasserman from Cook Report
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:31 PM
Nov 2021

@Redirect on Twitter. Best election forecaster I’ve seen the past few cycles.

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,654 posts)
3. Yeah, doesn't look good at all.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:30 PM
Nov 2021

This makes 11 times out of the last 12 elections that Virginia has elected a governor of the non-presidential party.

They did it when they were deep red, and they're still doing it now that they're light blue.

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
11. Looks like the 6% flip is coming from rural areas meaning more Trump counties voted for Youngkin
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:31 PM
Nov 2021

... than Mcauliffe

Claustrum

(4,846 posts)
21. It's not only the rural counties.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:35 PM
Nov 2021

Terry is running a few point below what he needed in the big counties as well.

Claustrum

(4,846 posts)
12. They have done the numbers per county and both Wasserman and Nate Cohn
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:32 PM
Nov 2021

showed that almost every county (including big Fairfax/arlington counties), Terry is a few points behind what he needed to be.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
8. When I heard David Plouffe earlier on MSNBC
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:31 PM
Nov 2021

I figured the news wouldn't be good. He's a good liberal, but he's also a realist who reads the numbers well. Sucks.

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
19. Only 64% of democrats believe Voter Suppression is a problem (link), what messaging? Last year ...
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:34 PM
Nov 2021

... people we respected blamed a slogan of the oppressed on down ballot losses when the post mortems said the messaging down ballot was bland at best

LuvLoogie

(7,080 posts)
24. or lack thereof
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:37 PM
Nov 2021

There was more energy out of Newsome than McAuliffe.

I never got what Dems see in this guy. Kind of flat in my opinion.

That's okay. The Wing Nuzi's take Virginia for a while. They'll continue to shove all-in on their winning message of hate and lies.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
17. This is as much on McAuliffe as anyone.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:33 PM
Nov 2021

He ran a truly awful campaign and let his opponent define him in the last couple months.

He also ran a bad campaign in 2013, nearly losing then too despite being the favorite - that time it was to another right-wing loon. He eked out a win but couldn't this go around.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
35. Lots...
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:49 PM
Nov 2021

1. He assumed Virginia was okay reelecting him (well, giving him another term as governors are not eligible for consecutive terms). I think Virginia takes this quirk fairly seriously. The last Virginia governor to win a second term was Mills Godwin, back in 1974 (and he left the Democratic Party and ran as a Republican to do so).

2. McAuliffe spent most the race making this a race about Trump. He kept the focus on Trump - his speeches were largely about Trump and how Youngkin was a Trump Republican. The whole narrative, from both his campaign, and outsiders like the Lincoln Project, who he worked it, as well as others like MeidasTouch (the brothers on the left) was to basically make the election about Trump. That doesn't galvanize voters - especially when Trump isn't in power. It worked in 2018 because HE WAS THE PRESIDENT. It fell flat in 2021.

3. His response to the CRT issue was not good and Youngkin was able to use it to galvanize the party.

4. Enthusiasm, for whatever reason, was not there for him. This kind of ties into the first point. He maybe misjudged the appetite for a career politician.

5. His answer in the first debate, where he said parents shouldn't tell schools what to teach, was just tone-deaf. This has been one of the Republicans' most successful talking points for 40+ years - give control of education BACK to the community (the parents). It's effective because no parent wants a bureaucracy outlining exactly what the schools should teach. They want influence. Whether you agree or not. And the exit polls show MOST Virginians believe parents should have some influence in the curriculum.

Just my view as an outsider. This was a race we should have won. Instead, we played it on the GOP's playing field. Americans don't vote issues. They vote emotions. It's why a huge majority of Virginians who voted, according to the exit polls, support a woman's right to choose yet just elected a governor who is against that right.

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
51. Thx, I've been posting dems "CRT" like issue to stoke votes is 1/6 but we're pussyfooting around
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:44 PM
Nov 2021

... with the terrorist instead of making a color coded alert system out of them

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
53. YEP !!! "...They vote emotions...." AMEN !! I just rec'd this comment a couple of minutes ago. Dems
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:48 PM
Nov 2021

... need an emotional stoking issue like GQP has with CRT and it needs to be factual like 1/6 terrorist with color coded alert system or "Republicans will keep taking your children" ... and beat them on the head with it

Claustrum

(4,846 posts)
26. Exactly.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:38 PM
Nov 2021

Saying parents have no say in the teaching in public school (not a direct quote) is bad. There is a much better way to answer to CRT BS without saying that at all. Even a non-parent like me believes that parents should have a say in what is taught in school.

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
30. +1, I posted this months ago that dems are letting MAGA define CRT and they're going to use it to ..
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:41 PM
Nov 2021

... get out there base while we have ?!

Yeah ...

After 911 GQP demonized dems as terrorist sympothizers .. we should do the same with them using the 1/6 assholes

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
34. What say should they have?
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:48 PM
Nov 2021

Should they pick and choose what parts of history their children learn?

Instead of telling teachers how to do their fucking jobs, maybe they should pull their kids out of school and teach them themselves if they’re so concerned.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
37. Easy. "I think we need better cooperation and communication..."
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:54 PM
Nov 2021

"...parents absolutely should have a say in their children's education but it's important we never let one minority voice dictate the whole process. We can only achieve success in the classroom through a cooperative approach between schools, teachers and parents..."

Or some shit like that.

His answer: “...I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

That comment was tone-deaf. Completely tone-deaf to the whole situation and Youngkin pounced. He didn't need to make it so blatant. He could have easily turned it around and made a point about the need to lower the temperature and he didn't.

And it's not a blanket issue. I live in Utah. Land of the Mormons. My mom had to go to the school when I was in elementary school because the teachings in one of my classes was obscenely pro-LDS and dismissive toward other religious groups within the classroom. By Terry's own admission, she should just shut up.

That isn't going to win over anyone and it shows how complex the issue is.

Dorian Gray

(13,538 posts)
45. Yeah...
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:29 PM
Nov 2021

if my kid's school started teaching that Slavery was good and the Holocaust didn't happen, you better believe my voice would be up in their business.

Parents have a right to have a say. That's why they often run for school boards and the like.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
50. If it was up to certain right-wing parents, their kids would never learn about evolution or slavery.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:37 PM
Nov 2021

They want to keep their children horrifically ignorant? Fine, but teachers shouldn’t have to play a part in their bullshit.

Dorian Gray

(13,538 posts)
52. Right...
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:45 PM
Nov 2021

I think having a say is different than setting the curriculum. But what TM answered was the former, and he said they shouldn't have a say.

It's been pointed out that that was shortsighted and easy enough to twist into something worse than what he seemed to mean.

So many threads are talking about poor democratic messaging. This is an example of that.

Claustrum

(4,846 posts)
38. Stop conflating two different issues. That's what republicans like to do.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:54 PM
Nov 2021

Believing that parents should have a say in what's taught in school is a separate issue from what history should or should not be included in the text books.

You can believe in parent's being a part of the conversation of what should be taught, while also believe that they shouldn't whitewash the history.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
47. I'm running a campaign? That's news to me. 🙄
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:31 PM
Nov 2021

Parents should not be telling teachers how to do their goddamn jobs. I say that not as the manager of whatever campaign you bizarrely seem to think I’m running, but as a private citizen with an opinion.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
31. I was thinking about this as well
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:41 PM
Nov 2021

I definitely think getting a good deal done would have been a better environment for the Dem candidate.

Claustrum

(4,846 posts)
33. Getting good legislature passed is a good start. But we need to do more.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:47 PM
Nov 2021

We need to be out there selling what we are doing. Democrats have a tendency that we think people will see the good results. But the truth is, people hear the framing on the issue rather than what the actual result is, example being ACA. We have a tendency to believe we will get rewarded by our hard work behind the scene but these few elections show that it's how the issue being framed that's more important.

We keep letting the right define the narrative and then we are supposed at how people took the right's framing of issues and then call them unreachable. No, they were reachable but they only heard the right's framing of CRT. They don't even know what CRT is.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
43. Biden and other Democrats couldn't really promise too much
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:20 PM
Nov 2021

Because Manchinema kept gutting the BBB bill to within an inch of its life.

Imagine if Biden promised X number of weeks of family leave.

Then imagine if Manchinema nixed family leave from the final bill.

Think "Lie of the Year" over and over and over again by the mainstream media

Claustrum

(4,846 posts)
44. But we can talk about vaccines or the 36k stock market.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:24 PM
Nov 2021

We have a problem in that we like to stay in the back and do the hard work behind the scene while no one is out in front getting the message out. We believe that people will see our goods but it's clearly not the case in the pasts few years. We need to claim the narrative instead of staying quiet and let the media and right wing frame the narrative.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
46. Need more than that to excite the Democratic base and win
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:29 PM
Nov 2021

We did that in Georgia earlier this year with the promise of $2,000 checks out the door.

Declaring that we made people eat their vegetables and made rich people richer isn't going to cut it anymore.

mvd

(65,187 posts)
15. This is so depressing
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:33 PM
Nov 2021

I know the VA gov trends did not favor us, but this seemed winnable. Never was crazy about McAuliffe as a candidate. We need some fresh voices in VA.

viva la

(3,373 posts)
27. When do the early votes and absentees get counted?
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:40 PM
Nov 2021

I just can't believe it. How can VA have come so far out of segregation and Jim Crow and official racism, and then elect this guy who deliberately brings racism back? Encourages it?

Claustrum

(4,846 posts)
48. I don't recall him being wrong.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:34 PM
Nov 2021

But there is a lot of math and data to back up his call. He showed what Terry need per county and each county in his tweet, Terry was running 3-5 points behinds what he needed in almost every county (both rural and urban counties).

Response to book_worm (Original post)

Response to vercetti2021 (Reply #41)

johnp3907

(3,737 posts)
59. You love wasting time, don't you?
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:17 PM
Nov 2021

I read, like, 5% of this before I alerted on it. You’ll be “cancelled” in a a matter of minutes. But thanks for the Free Advice!

Neurotica

(609 posts)
54. For those of us who live here, it is looking like a very dark day.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:53 PM
Nov 2021

I worked on issues in the past, when the GOP had full control here in VA. Especially issues that touched on education and the public school system. It was difficult. And now things are arguably worse given the insurrectionist fervor and Qanon craziness. Not sure how we find our way out. As many others have said, messaging is the key. But until we figure out the messaging, we are likely stuck--once again--with dealing with this situation. Never thought we'd be back in this place...

manicdem

(397 posts)
56. Blowout
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:00 PM
Nov 2021

Wow this is shocking. Mcouluffe was supposed to have won this easily, but he got outvoted by more than the polls predicted Not looking good for 2022 and 2024.

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