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Bring out Your Dead - Causes of death- London 1632 (Original Post) packman Nov 2021 OP
"Chrisomes, and Infants 2268" Hortensis Nov 2021 #1
Usually within a month of baptism. Nt NutmegYankee Nov 2021 #31
Poor tiny, fragile things and families trying not to love them Hortensis Nov 2021 #34
I don't want to go on the cart! (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Nov 2021 #2
I'm not dead yet! redwitch Nov 2021 #19
I can't take him like that, it's against regulation. NutmegYankee Nov 2021 #32
I was surprised to not see Tetanus (lockjaw) listed but Jawfaln is a candidate, 8 deaths. TexLaProgressive Nov 2021 #3
470 killed by "Teeth" and 98 by "Rising of the Lights". . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #6
I think 'Rising of the Lights' was a post-partum infection struggle4progress Nov 2021 #15
It was croup or other upper airway infections. NutmegYankee Nov 2021 #29
That seems to be conjecture, based on butchers' use of "lights" for "lungs" struggle4progress Nov 2021 #35
My great grandmother, who was a cornhusker, was cut by a husk while working. It got infected, tblue37 Nov 2021 #18
Wonder what "rising of the lights" is mcar Nov 2021 #4
Or "planet." BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #7
"Any sudden severe affliction or paralysis " scipan Nov 2021 #28
aka planet-struck NutmegYankee Nov 2021 #30
Sounds like a catch-all for respiratory infection . . . hatrack Nov 2021 #9
Thanks! mcar Nov 2021 #13
Lights were heavier in those days and lacked the ubiquitous modern warning labels. Hugin Nov 2021 #10
Here are several LTTE in the BMJ from 1926 struggle4progress Nov 2021 #17
Wow, teeth at 470! BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #5
Um, I have a question... Hugin Nov 2021 #8
Google to the rescue ironflange Nov 2021 #16
So, in this instance the sovereign was seen as curative? Hugin Nov 2021 #22
Odd that "cancer" and "wolf" are combined Shermann Nov 2021 #11
Werewolves were endemic in London... Hugin Nov 2021 #12
And their hair was ... perfect! (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Nov 2021 #20
Good movie. Corgigal Nov 2021 #24
I didn't know Idiocracy was a documentary until recently, either. Hugin Nov 2021 #25
And that is almost Corgigal Nov 2021 #26
62 had a bad case of the Suddenly. Sneederbunk Nov 2021 #14
A lot are listed here Shermann Nov 2021 #21
The fonts are definitely not from the 17th century! LeftInTX Nov 2021 #23
Yes it might have been taken from a more recent book FakeNoose Nov 2021 #27
To me, that list shows Mr.Bill Nov 2021 #33

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
1. "Chrisomes, and Infants 2268"
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 11:41 AM
Nov 2021

Apparently chrisom was a baptismal cloth placed over the face, so stillborn and dying at or soon after birth?

Apparently a good year for "Bloody flux, scowring, and flux" Only 348.

TexLaProgressive

(12,165 posts)
3. I was surprised to not see Tetanus (lockjaw) listed but Jawfaln is a candidate, 8 deaths.
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 11:50 AM
Nov 2021
http://alaskaweb.org/misc/misc-diseases.html
For the definition, site won’t let me copy and paste.

struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
35. That seems to be conjecture, based on butchers' use of "lights" for "lungs"
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 09:37 PM
Nov 2021

Other conjectures include "hysteria," which (however) is typically not fatal (in its modern meaning)

The primitive state of seventeenth century medical diagnosis, theory, and treatment is well-illustrated by the fact that reported protocols for "rising of the lights" sometimes included feeding the patient lead shot or liquid mercury

The older meaning of "hysteria" is womb-related; and the conjecture that "rising of the lights" means "hysteria" suggests it may have been a women's ailment

The first person to compile systematic reports based on English death records was John Graunt, who sometimes used the combination "rising of the lights and mother" in his tabulations. The common causes of death associated with motherhood at that time would have included post-partum infections, hence my conjecture

tblue37

(65,552 posts)
18. My great grandmother, who was a cornhusker, was cut by a husk while working. It got infected,
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 01:46 PM
Nov 2021

& she died of tetanus.

NutmegYankee

(16,207 posts)
30. aka planet-struck
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 08:08 PM
Nov 2021

Any very sudden severe illness or paralysis that was thought to result from the "influence" of a planet. Like how the moon (luna) was once thought to cause insanity (creating lunatics).

hatrack

(59,607 posts)
9. Sounds like a catch-all for respiratory infection . . .
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 11:58 AM
Nov 2021

Rising of the Lights

The disease “Rising of the Lights” was a standard entry on bills of ­mortality (published death statistics) in the 17th century. As any butcher would be able to tell you, lights is an old name for lungs. Many doctors believed that only vulgar people used the term to ­describe a tightening sensation in the chest, difficulty breathing and a cough.

In 1630, Sir William Vaughan, who promoted colonisation in Newfoundland, suggested a rather different treatment. He explained that the best cure was made by soaking the lungs of a fox in vinegar then drying them out in an oven, and then taking the resultant product in liquor. Sir William claimed that everyone knew that “of all Creatures the Foxe hath the longest breath, and the strongest Winde”. It therefore made sense that eating a fox’s lungs would improve lung capacity and cure the disease.

EDIT

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/arts-and-culture/books/horrid-coughs-and-sneezes-and-dead-diseases-1771852

Hugin

(33,228 posts)
10. Lights were heavier in those days and lacked the ubiquitous modern warning labels.
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 11:59 AM
Nov 2021

Sometimes, the loose garments of the times would get caught up in them and the poor victim would get hauled up with them never to be seen again until nightfall?

Hugin

(33,228 posts)
8. Um, I have a question...
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 11:55 AM
Nov 2021

Does "Kil'd by several accidents" mean those people were killed by one miscellaneous accident each or a series of several accidents such-as fell off a horse then trampled by a mob and finally fell into a well? You know, a really bad day like most of us have experienced.

Also, what in the heck is "King's Evil"? I certainly hope I've had the vaccine. I'll have to check my shot record.

ironflange

(7,781 posts)
16. Google to the rescue
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 01:32 PM
Nov 2021

Tuberculous lymphadenitis (scrofula) was known as the “king's evil” in Europe, where the royal touch was believed to cure the disease until the 18th century.

Hugin

(33,228 posts)
22. So, in this instance the sovereign was seen as curative?
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 04:40 PM
Nov 2021

A rumor started by those aspiring to the throne to expose the current royalty to as much disease as possible, no doubt.

I must admit I thought at first it was a catch-all category for royal hunting accidents, coach collisions, and a few visits to the oubliette.

Shermann

(7,489 posts)
11. Odd that "cancer" and "wolf" are combined
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 11:59 AM
Nov 2021

I suspect cancer is underreported here.

Death by wolf does not sound good.

FakeNoose

(32,917 posts)
27. Yes it might have been taken from a more recent book
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 07:47 PM
Nov 2021

... however the information could still be true.

There's no reference to infection because they didn't know what it was in the 1600's. By the 1800's they did know about infection, but they didn't have antibiotics until just before World War II.

I'm thankful to be living in the times of modern medicine.

Mr.Bill

(24,376 posts)
33. To me, that list shows
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 08:29 PM
Nov 2021

they knew more about medical matters than I would have guessed.

My historical knowledge is a bit weak when it comes to that era. In Catholic school, all history after the year zero sort of becomes religion class.

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