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to the airport? That's the question I have. I don't get it. I pack my carry-on the day of the flight or the day before. Everything in it is something I've put in it then. Then, before leaving for the airport, I check my clothing and pockets to make sure I didn't forget and leave my pocket knife in something I'm wearing. I learned to do that after forgetting to do that once and having to put a $40 stockman's knife in a container at the airport. I don't make mistakes like that very often.
But, a loaded firearm? I can't even imagine. How would one get into my carry-on? It simply couldn't happen.
So, reports about the number of firearms confiscated at TSA checkpoints always make me think, "WTF?" I can't even understand how such a thing would happen as an accident.
Too weird. I guess some folks might think they'd sneak it through, but, I've had my bag checked a few times at the TSA checkpoint for something the X-ray checker didn't recognize. I would never think a handgun could get through those checks.
Anyhow, it doesn't make any sense to me at all.
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)you shouldn't be carrying one at all? Also the guy ran after the gun discharged.
Journeyman
(15,047 posts)it's mind boggling what people willfully and inadvertently attempt to take on board a plane. Everything from guns and knives to scissors and cannon balls.
MineralMan
(146,354 posts)I discovered that there was a mineral dealer about 20 miles away, so I visited him. I was in the business of selling mineral specimens from my website at the time. Well, he had stuff I wanted, packed in the usual flat boxes we all used. I bought three flats from him. the boxes are about 12x18" in size and hold multiple specimens. He had some really cool stuff at great prices, so I bought what I thought I could hand-carry back on the plane. It was all about $400 at my cost, and maybe $2400 at retail when I sold it.
Anyhow, we were flying home, so I decided to make the three flats my carry-on luggage, so I taped them shut and taped the flats together. Not heavily, and I used duct tape. Well, they went through the x-ray at the TSA security screening, and I got pulled aside, of course.
"What's in these boxes?" the TSA guy asked. "Rocks," I answered. "Mineral specimens."
"Open the boxes up for me," the TSA guy said.
So, I pulled the tape off carefully, and opened the boxes. Each specimen was labeled for what mineral it was and the location where it was collected. Clearly, the guy didn't get it and was skeptical about what I was carrying. I gave him my business card as a mineral dealer, and explained where I got them and why I was carrying them. They're fragile, I told him, and explained I could handle them better myself than any luggage handler could. Finally, he understood and let me go. I put the duct tape back on the boxes and carried them onto the plane. The boxes fit just fine in the overhead bin.
TSA people see some weird stuff from time to time.
Journeyman
(15,047 posts)so my eldest brother and I traveled to Denver to close his apartment.
Among the items we carried away were a good number of rolled coins, mostly quarters, and some computer cables, USB wires and the like. I stuck them all in my carry-on bags.
As I exited the body scanner, one of the agents pulled me aside to show me an x-ray of my bags. There they were, rolls of quarters with wires running all about, looking every bit like dynamite.
I looked at him and deadpanned, "I've got to be the stupidest man alive."
Fortunately, my explanation seemed plausible, so he opened the bag, rummaged around just to be sure, and sent me on my way to L.A.
MineralMan
(146,354 posts)if it looks weird on the x-ray.
Another time, I went to NYC for a computer trade show. While I was there, I called a high-end mineral dealer there and got invited to his offices and showroom. He sold minerals to high-end collectors and museums, so what he had was way out of my price range, but we were both mineral dealers, so it was a professional visit.
His location was on the 16th floor in some building in the diamond district, with security, cameras, and a video camera at the outside door of his place. I went in. We chatted. I looked at some spectacular specimens and we discussed the business we both did. I was about to leave when he said, "You know, I might have some stuff for you."
He took me into a back room, where there was a stack of about 25 flats of specimens. They were part of a collection he had purchased from the family of a long-time collector who had died. He had cherry picked out all the high-end stuff, and what was in the flats was everything else - stuff that wasn't his stock in trade.
A lot of it had old collector labels from the 19th century and even earlier. The specimens weren't visually that interesting, but...so I asked him how much he wanted for the entire stack of flats. I didn't even look through all of the flats. I was blown away when he said, "How about $1200?" I said, "Done," and wrote him a check. So, now I had 25 flats of minerals to deal with in New York City. I excused myself and went to a store in Times Square and bought a heavy-duty luggage cart and some bungee cords and went back to his offices.
I loaded it all up on the cart and left with it, rolling it through the hall, into the elevator and out onto the street. I was about 10 blocks from my hotel, so I hauled that stuff down the sidewalks and across the streets through NYC. Back at the hotel, I had to figure out how to get that stuff back to California. Finally, I found a UPS store not too far away, bought boxes, then bought rolls of paper towels. I spent the next three hours repacking all that stuff into boxes, and then took the bigger boxes on the luggage cart back to the UPS store and shipped them off to California. I disposed of the empty flats in the hotel dumpster.
By the time I had sold all of those specimens, I had made over $15,000 on that purchase. The guy in NYC thought they were worthless, and they were to him, I suppose, but they were a windfall for my internet sales business. Those old labels were worth more than the specimens, it turned out, but the specimens were classics, all from famous locations that no longer existed.
viva la
(3,373 posts)All that across the country!
MineralMan
(146,354 posts)boxes I repacked into. Flats with specimens in them waste a lot of space, so my packing techniques condensed the required space by a whole lot. Those specimens don't weigh all that much, individually, but many of them are somewhat fragile, so packing them takes some ingenuity. However, none were damaged in shipment. I was good at that.
The three boxes were pretty heavy, though. They went by UPS ground shipment, for sure. Took almost two weeks for them to arrive in California.
There were other adventures in mineral buying, too. Everywhere I went, I searched for mineral dealers. Almost always, they had stuff that didn't fit their business model that I could buy cheaply. I specialized in low to middle-priced specimens and shipped all over the world, so unusual stuff and specimens with historical labels were popular with my customers.
It was an interesting business for a few years. I was one of the first online mineral dealers, so I got the jump on that business. After a few years, though, there were many others who were trying to do the same thing I was doing, and the supply of specimens at great prices dwindled. Finally, in 2006, I auctioned off all of my remaining stock as one lot on eBay and shut the business down. I did OK with that, as well, selling it all to another online mineral dealer.
viva la
(3,373 posts)900% profit?
MineralMan
(146,354 posts)I tried to visit as many high-end mineral dealers as I could. They tend to be the ones who buy entire large collections from major collectors, and such collections always contain plenty of lower-end specimens that those high-end dealers want nothing to do with. If you catch them on the right day, they will sell you their junk for 10 cents on the dollar, or sometimes even less. It's just too much trouble for them to deal with, apparently. Wherever I went, I hunted for those dealers and visited them. It almost always paid off like that. I got rid of their trash and stocked up my inventory.
However, as the online mineral sales business ramped up, the new dealers dried up the supply of surplus stuff and prices went up dramatically.
There are only maybe 10-20 thousand serious mineral collectors in the world. So, it's a limited customer base. I happened to get into internet sales very early and did quite well for several years. I was lucky, and found the formula for buying and selling at that time. It was a fascinating business for me. I had to give myself an education equivalent to a degree in mineralogy very quickly to gain the expertise I needed. My favorite sort of thing to do.
NutmegYankee
(16,207 posts)A bowling ball is just as dangerous. I could only see alarm if it was spherical case shot.
Yes, I re-enact both revolutionary and civil war artillery, hence my knowledge of cannons.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)He is a convicted felon who can not legally possess a firearm and fled the scene after the negligent discharge. I doubt this was a simple case of a passenger forgetting a pistol in his backpack.
MineralMan
(146,354 posts)Whatever his motivation was, it was very stupid.
Aristus
(66,531 posts)I don't understand these muttonheads.
When I was in the Army, I fired nearly every weapon the service fielded at the time, including and especially tank weaponry. Haven't fired a shot of anything other than a fairground star-target air rifle in nearly thirty years.
Got it all out of my system.
I've got better things to do with my life than nurture a creepy fetish for deadly weaponry. And better people to do them with...
panader0
(25,816 posts)He decided to wrap it in aluminum foil. Whoops....
MineralMan
(146,354 posts)Takket
(21,729 posts)To help sneak this pot passed the METAL DETECTORS
rickford66
(5,536 posts)While applying for a TSA job, I took and passed the baggage test. A gun or any common article can be hard to identify if viewed from an angle you wouldn't normally see it. A gun in a bag won't always be seen in profile. Plus other objects around it may make it look like something else.
twodogsbarking
(9,978 posts)before they make it to the plane.
MineralMan
(146,354 posts)However, they do well enough to make trying to get a firearm through really stupid.
twodogsbarking
(9,978 posts)And there is no freakin' leg room.
MineralMan
(146,354 posts)I can sit anywhere for five hours, frankly.
From where I am, going almost anywhere in the USA takes only about 3 hours. I wish I could fly more often. Sadly, COVID-19 put an end to my air travel.
DetroitLegalBeagle
(1,928 posts)In 2015, when tested by Homeland Security, they failed to detect 95% of the contraband. In 2017 it "improved" to around a 80% failure rate. Don't know if they have improved much since then.
[link:https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-tests-latest-undercover-operation-us-airports/story?id=51022188|
twodogsbarking
(9,978 posts)Pobeka
(4,999 posts)I was carrying a lot (10 lbs or so) of semi-valuable coins (~ $1500 worth) that I really didn't want to have displayed in front of other travellers at TSA screening, and so I approached one of the agents and explained, and they took me to a private room where they searched through my carry-on after it had passed through the xray. It was handled very well IMHO.
Colgate 64
(14,732 posts)who is prohibited by law from having one...
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)He really ought to turn himself in, the moron, they know who he is.
Colgate 64
(14,732 posts)know what the hold-up is in bringing him in.
MineralMan
(146,354 posts)KentuckyWoman
(6,701 posts)She is in sales, travels by herself, and is from Texas. That bra holster just cracks me up. Someone threatening you so you shove your hand into your boobs. That alone would throw them off.
She normally packs it appropriately in checked luggage for flights but this day she was too tired, not thinking, and followed her morning routine. Strapped it on. It wasn't until she undressed at home that night that she realized through TSA twice and no one caught it. Thank goodness for her.
Having a morning routine that involved slapping on a boob gun is a whole other conversation.
IcyPeas
(21,957 posts)The incident, although nearly six months old, was made public last weekend by a political group looking to oust the first-term Congressman. Cawthorns district, the 11th Congressional District, covers the western end of North Carolina.
LetMyPeopleVote
(146,018 posts)Straw Man
(6,628 posts)Heck, years ago a NY Congressman even did it:
https://apnews.com/article/8e768e7dfa63d9ccf1a3b02041649367
Aren't we supposed to be the ones who know better?