Michigan gop chair caught on audio admitting drumpf behind fake electors

[Takket]

Your move Garland

https://www.wxyz.com/news/new-audio-reveals-michigan-gop-co-chair-was-asked-by-the-trump-campaign-to-fake-elections

(WXYZ) — Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel says she wants the feds to prosecute all the people who conspired to try to make Donald Trump the winner in the presidential election in Michigan and 6 other states.

New audio emerged from Michigan Republican Party Co-chair Meshawn Maddock claiming the Trump campaign encouraged efforts to give him the state's electoral votes, according to CNN.


The 16 people in December of 2020, including Maddock, tried to enter the State Capitol and pose as official electors to certify the election for Trump.

They signed documents and sent them to Washington to try to sway the certification.

[CrispyQ]

1. Are the fake electors who showed up in DC being lumped in with the whole fake document thing?

Or are there two separate cases?

[gab13by13]

2. Same case.

[Nevilledog]

4. In my opinion, the signing of the forged elector paperwork is more damning.

Their actual presence in D.C. is the cherry on top.

[CrispyQ]

10. I love when something is served with a cherry on top! -nt

[Evolve Dammit]

23. Me too! It makes whatever it is, special!

[L. Coyote]

31. Going to DC isn't a crime, mail fraud is a crime. Twenty years!

18 U.S. Code § 1341 - Frauds and swindles

Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or ... for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice or attempting so to do, places in any post office or authorized depository for mail matter, any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by the Postal Service ... or knowingly causes to be delivered by mail ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. ...

[perfessor]

3. I know prison overcrowding is a problem

but maybe they can release a bunch of low-level cannabis users to make room for these guys.

[gratuitous]

5. And the "Hey, we were just kidding around" defense should be ignored

I believe the phrase I'm looking for in the prosecution of these miscreants is "to the fullest extent of the law." I'm not much of a fan of exemplary justice, but this is a case that cries out for the law-breakers to be made an example of, so that these maniacs think better of trying this little stunt again.

[Johnny2X2X]

6. I feel like this should be an explosive headline everywhere

The front cover of every paper for weeks, the lead on every broadcast for months.

I am just stunned that the attempted ending of American Democracy doesn't make headlines.

[Moostache]

20. That alone speaks volumes of our current predictament...

The fact that the media is NOT on this story 24/7 like say Benghazi or e-mails or fainting or Whitewater or fucking blow jobs tells you that this is not a functional republic at all...its a sham.

[OverBurn]

28. +1

[jaxexpat]

27. These people have intentionally harmed the US more than Hiss or the Rosenbergs.

Hiss got 5 years for perjury and the Rosenbergs were executed. All this in the 1950's, an age some recall with poignancy. If "conservatives" want to return to the good old days, this is their golden opportunity to put up or shut up. Like most people, I'm all for letting bygones be bygones, just so long as they've actually gone by.

[DownriverDem]

7. Hope they can be charged.

Lansing is trumper run. It's our Governor, Lt Governor, AG and Secretary of State who are Dems that are holding them back.

[KS Toronado]

8. Do all electors actually travel to Washington DC to give their votes?

Or do they just go to their state capitol and fill out the form letter and one person goes to DC?

[GB_RN]

11. They Vote In Their State Capitals.

The certificates of ascertainment themselves are transmitted by the governors to the National Archives.

[KS Toronado]

16. Thank you

According to the "certificate of ascertainment" article, everything is "sent". In the early years this required
someone on horseback because that was the only means available. Today we have email, fax machines and
the USPS. The electoral college is seriously outdated.

[GB_RN]

18. "Outdated" Is An Understatement...

It's undemocratic and gives the Republicans a built-in advantage, just like the Senate does. The E-V needs to die, but because they can't win without it, that's not gonna happen. They'll never agree to the constitutional amendment.

[Grins]

9. Who the hell would curse their kid w/ the name "Meshawn"

Kinda close to the southern “me-maw.”

His cell mates will get a kick out of that!

[spanone]

12. K&R

[gohuskies]

13. IIRC didn't Michigan send some legislators to DC to meet with Trump

In the aftermath of the November election, i thought there was a group of state legislators from Michigan that met with the trump's cabal. I recall seeing a photo of about 3 or 4 of them in DC.

[Takket]

22. Yes. The senate and house leaders both went

Drumpf asked them to overthrow the results but there was so much pressure on them when they came back they pretty much abandoned the plan. The media was all over them demanding to know what drumpf asked.

[lagomorph777]

14. Lordy I'm glad there are tapes.

Garland, if you're listening, this is evidence of a Federal crime.

[OMGWTF]

15. And these traitors actually signed their names to the Big Lie.

[GB_RN]

17. Every Person Involved Should Be Charged...

And there should be one charge of voter fraud for every vote they tried to steal - because that's what they tried to do: Steal those votes. To make it a little more clear, let's say there were 8 million votes in one of those states and 5 million out of those went to Biden, then should be 5 million charges for voter fraud.

Repeat that per state.

Make the charges stack high and the punishment harsh as a result so that these clowns don't EVER think about trying it again.

[tiredtoo]

19. Lock em up! EOM

[Emile]

21. I find it unbelievable that no one has been arrested.

It"s been over a year. Talk about justice moving slowly, damn.

[Evolve Dammit]

24. frustrating as hell. Maybe some hiring at DOJ? Couple thousand more prosecuting attys.?

[cab67]

30. I actually don't.

This goes way up the food chain. If they're going cut the head off this thing, they're going to have to make the case way more than air-tight. It has to be hermetically sealed.

(Personally, I also think the closer this all goes down to the midterms, the better.)

[Emile]

32. While this lawbreaking sob is playing golf in Mar-a-Lago

and changing voting laws all across the country we're suppose to be patient! Come on, we watched this POS on live TV orchestrating the insurrection. What more proof do we need!

[cab67]

33. We're not the ones who have to be convinced.

There’s no chance either of us would ever end up on a jury for these cases.

[Emile]

34. So be patient, yawn!

[cab67]

35. well....

....if that's what it takes to put Trump and the hairy organism living on his head behind bars, yes.

Prosecuting the low-level flunkies is trivial enough. They can do that now. But if we want to hold the entire operation accountable, we'll have to bring the higher-ups to trial. IMHO, the evidence we've seen thus far probably wouldn't lead to a conviction, given that high-end defense attorneys will be thrown at the case and the jury will have to be comprised of people who can plausibly claim impartiality - and at this point, most people with a working forebrain (such as me and thee) want Trump and his symbiont thrown in the sneezer for the rest of his life.

Republicans did learn one thing from Watergate - how to shelter those at the top from prosecution. They pulled it off with Iran-Contra, the invasion of Iraq, and the crash of 2008. So far, it's worked with the orange entity controlling Donald Trump - someone with no functioning conscience and no concern for whether he's telling the truth about anything. On top of that, they've rigged large swathes of the federal government, along with many state governments, in ways that will make anything but the densest iron-clad case go anywhere.

I want Trump, Trump's family, Giuliani, Meadows, and those in Congress who promoted their fraud thrown in the hoosegow as strongly as anyone else on DU. But I also want to make efforts to put them there don't faceplant.

[Emile]

36. Come on, it's been over a year now. He is down there

in Florida playing golf and orchestrating the Republican party on how to steal elections from now on. We don't have time to waste. They need to start somewhere and by arresting these forgers would be a damn good start!

[Hassler]

25. Oops!

[Blue Owl]

26. Let Donny's trumpery be the end of him

[cab67]

29. These are genuinely unintelligent people.

Most people eventually learn that the first response to finding oneself in a hole is to stop digging. The next step would be to contact an attorney.

These people appear to think it's more important to get a bigger shovel.