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Botany

(70,654 posts)
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:10 AM Jan 2022

W. Post: The Supreme Court's order against Donald Trump is even worse for him than it appears

Opinion: The Supreme Court’s order against Donald Trump is even worse for him than it appears

By George T. Conway III

Trump lost the case in virtually record time. He sued the committee and the National Archives on Oct. 18, lost in the district court on Nov. 9, lost in the court of appeals on Dec. 9 and lost in the Supreme Court on Jan. 19. And so, today, the Jan. 6 committee has hundreds of documents Trump desperately wanted kept under wraps.

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Judge Patricia A. Millett

“The Committee has sound reasons,” Millett wrote, “for seeking presidential documents in particular as part of its investigation into the causes of the attack on the Capitol,” for a simple reason: “There is a direct linkage between the former President and the events of the day.” Indeed, the court concluded, “to allow the privilege of a no-longer-sitting President to prevail over Congress’s need to investigate a violent attack on its home and its constitutional operations would ‘gravely impair the basic function of the’ legislature.”

In other words, the justices relied solely on the reasoning that Trump’s claims were so paltry, his privilege arguments so weak, that Trump would have lost even were he still in office.

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The result was an even more devastating rejection of Trump’s privilege claim — in effect, an unambiguous, blanket holding by the Supreme Court that presidents who incite insurrections in office don’t get to invoke executive privilege.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/21/courts-hand-donald-trump-loss-after-loss-after-loss/

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I love a story with a happy ending.

D.C. Appeals Court Judge Patricia A. Millett “There is a direct linkage between the former President and the events of the day.”

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W. Post: The Supreme Court's order against Donald Trump is even worse for him than it appears (Original Post) Botany Jan 2022 OP
K&R spanone Jan 2022 #1
Sometimes it is nice to read good news more then once. Botany Jan 2022 #2
Thanks for posting! spanone Jan 2022 #3
TFG, "This is all a witch hunt." Botany Jan 2022 #4
And why is that rape lawsuit taking SO long? oldsoftie Jan 2022 #9
I think that suit is not about the rape but she is suing him for defamation of character but TFG .. Botany Jan 2022 #10
I think the main reasons he wanted to stay in office were vlyons Jan 2022 #18
All true. And a #2 is a good reason to make sure there are clear, enforceable laws Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2022 #38
very impressive achievement (not) NJCher Jan 2022 #23
I am sure he didn't want the job but Vlad had him by his nutz and told him to run and outside ... Botany Jan 2022 #25
boggles my mind NJCher Jan 2022 #28
TFG was so corrupt that he had US Military flights going out of their way so they could go to .... Botany Jan 2022 #30
Positively musical. ChazInAz Jan 2022 #5
Yes, that was the best part PatSeg Jan 2022 #11
Yeah but most were written in crayon! machoneman Jan 2022 #6
Imagine what they say when the cameras are off. L. Coyote Jan 2022 #7
I would never believe a word from people who have to hide their identities KS Toronado Jan 2022 #12
Yes sir. So true. Which is why the Dark Money, now legalized, wants identity hidden, at all costs. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #22
Good point KS Toronado Jan 2022 #27
Little Hitler wannabees.. Hitler Cha Jan 2022 #33
I thought it was a Sharpie! KS Toronado Jan 2022 #8
nahh ! they took that away because he was scribbling on the crapper wall's !! monkeyman1 Jan 2022 #35
Yes, Executive Branch fomenting attack on Legisative Branch is kind of a Separation of Powers Issue bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #13
"There is a direct linkage between the former President and the events of the day." malaise Jan 2022 #14
No that was the D.C. Court of Appeals (one step below the SCOTUS) Botany Jan 2022 #17
I think the powers to be want him and his crowd out of the republican party. Ligyron Jan 2022 #15
Agree 100%, they want to thread the needle on Trump. Jon King Jan 2022 #20
he's dumber than "TFG" ? monkeyman1 Jan 2022 #36
Who appointed Judge Millett? Just curious question everything Jan 2022 #16
President Obama in 2013 Botany Jan 2022 #19
LOVE IT! TeamProg Jan 2022 #21
there is another very significant point made stopdiggin Jan 2022 #24
+1000 FakeNoose Jan 2022 #29
Kick dalton99a Jan 2022 #26
Recommended! sheshe2 Jan 2022 #31
Yeah, TFFCG isn't as hot Cha Jan 2022 #32
TFFCG? ShazzieB Jan 2022 #39
No.. not even close, ShazzieB.. lol Cha Jan 2022 #40
I figured it was something along those lines. ShazzieB Jan 2022 #42
Thank You for posting...K and R, .Trump is up .."Sh*ts Creek" Apologies to Sh*t Lovers everywhere! Stuart G Jan 2022 #34
Do you think Fulton County, GA's D.A. Fani Willis is just messing around? She has TFG on tape. Botany Jan 2022 #37
I'm glad I read this before bed, I will sleep well. Bluethroughu Jan 2022 #41
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pazzyanne Jan 2022 #43

Botany

(70,654 posts)
2. Sometimes it is nice to read good news more then once.
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:17 AM
Jan 2022

D.C. Appeals Court Judge Patricia A. Millett “There is a direct linkage between the former President and the events of the day.”

Botany

(70,654 posts)
4. TFG, "This is all a witch hunt."
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:30 AM
Jan 2022



I might be wrong but I think that the real reason TFG guy fought so hard to stay in power because
he knew that once out of office he was facing lots of civil and criminal charges.

TFG is facing:
NY's A.G., Washington D.C.'s A.G., Fulton County, GA's D.A., Manhattan's D.A., the House's
Jan. 6th Committee, and the US DoJ (those Seditious Conspiracy charges against the Oath
Keepers are just the beginning ... I hope )

And he is being sued in civil court by a woman who claims he raped her and by a family member
who claims he stole millions of $s that were supposed to be hers.

******

BTW I want that murdering scum bag in prison and I live for the day I never have to hear about
him, his family, and thugs again. In 2016 The FBI and Mitch McConnell knew all about TFG's
connection to Russia but all we heard about was HRC's and the nothing burger that was her
emails and email server. I am convinced that if HRC hadn't had the election stolen from her
we would not be going through this pandemic now.

Botany

(70,654 posts)
10. I think that suit is not about the rape but she is suing him for defamation of character but TFG ..
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 11:11 AM
Jan 2022

... has always been about delaying things. Last I heard was her team was trying to get a DNA
sample from TFG. Although, TFG has done so much shit that it is hard to keep 'em all straight.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
18. I think the main reasons he wanted to stay in office were
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 12:18 PM
Jan 2022

1. His gargantuan ego cannot tolerate being rejected by the voters. Being labeled a loser.

2. To continue the grift. Using the office to direct money flow into his pockets. Setting up all sorts of campaign contribution channels to harvest cash. Pilferring money ear-marked for the inauguration. Keeping his hotels and resorts booked by sycophants and lobbyist who curry his favor.

3. Power is addicting and the presidential spotlight makes him feel like a god.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,776 posts)
38. All true. And a #2 is a good reason to make sure there are clear, enforceable laws
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:48 PM
Jan 2022

surrounding the presidency going forward. No way that creep did anything for anyone, including corrupt foreign leaders, for which he didn't get a fat financial kickback for doing whatever they wanted, not matter how detrimental to US interests, justice, etc.

Then again, since, apparently, a sitting POTUS can't be prosecuted and we can't depend on the Rs to impeach an R POTUS, I guess the laws don't much matter. Bummer.

NJCher

(35,832 posts)
23. very impressive achievement (not)
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 12:50 PM
Jan 2022
the real reason TFG guy fought so hard to stay in power because
he knew that once out of office he was facing lots of civil and criminal charges.


you know you've hit the criminal big time when you have to go for the presidency to keep yourself out of prison.

Botany

(70,654 posts)
25. I am sure he didn't want the job but Vlad had him by his nutz and told him to run and outside ...
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 01:21 PM
Jan 2022

.... building up his ego he wanted nothing to do with the real work of being POTUS but with
A.G.s Sessions and Barr and Assistant A.G. Rosenstein* protecting him he thought he was untouchable
and he started grifting big time as POTUS but even TFG knew that he had done all kinds of shit
and Robert Mueller said he should be prosecuted once he left office. David Cay Johnston has
figured his and his family's grift @ the White House was $1.7 billion.

The rulings by all those courts means one thing and that is "the jig is up" for Donny.

* fucking weasel scumbag

NJCher

(35,832 posts)
28. boggles my mind
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 02:44 PM
Jan 2022

The $1.7 billion. David Cay Johnston is very credible.

However he got there, though, that's the criminal big time.

Botany

(70,654 posts)
30. TFG was so corrupt that he had US Military flights going out of their way so they could go to ....
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 03:15 PM
Jan 2022

... his money losing golf course and club in N.E. Scotland so they could buy aviation fuel from
him along with staying and paying to spend the night at his resort. And to think they impeached
President Clinton over a consensual b.j. and stopped him from getting bin Laden.


 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
22. Yes sir. So true. Which is why the Dark Money, now legalized, wants identity hidden, at all costs.
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 12:41 PM
Jan 2022

The masked Dark Money from very dark people people is what sustains the fascists and permitted them to go this far.

bucolic_frolic

(43,503 posts)
13. Yes, Executive Branch fomenting attack on Legisative Branch is kind of a Separation of Powers Issue
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 11:25 AM
Jan 2022

Good point, and largely overlooked until now. Sharpest judge of them all.

malaise

(269,305 posts)
14. "There is a direct linkage between the former President and the events of the day."
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 11:28 AM
Jan 2022
This is the Supreme Court speaking
Lock him the fuckup - the party's over!

Botany

(70,654 posts)
17. No that was the D.C. Court of Appeals (one step below the SCOTUS)
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 12:17 PM
Jan 2022

SCOTUS ruled that his claim of executive privilege had no merit and so his papers and stuff could
go to the House's Jan. 6th Committee. Only Clarence Thomas voted for keeping the papers secret
and that could be because his wife Ginni helped pay for and set up the 1/6/21 attempted coup.

Ligyron

(7,645 posts)
15. I think the powers to be want him and his crowd out of the republican party.
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 11:51 AM
Jan 2022

Besides They’ve got plenty of people who are much smarter and more effective.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
20. Agree 100%, they want to thread the needle on Trump.
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 12:27 PM
Jan 2022

They are trying to navigate this perfectly, hope Trump gets taken out legally, denounce how terrible it is, keep the Trump base who would never vote for any Dem.

I think its Desantis as their chosen one. They will try to rebrand him on some more polarizing issues, say he stood up to Trump but not too much.

But yeah, Mitch and the Repug power want their party back from Trump, while not giving the MAGAs any alternative to vote for but their next guy.

stopdiggin

(11,414 posts)
24. there is another very significant point made
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 12:53 PM
Jan 2022

in this ruling ...

" -- to prevail over Congress’s need to investigate a violent attack on its home and its constitutional operations would ‘gravely impair the basic function of the’ legislature.”

The court is flatly stating that the Jan 6th committee investigations are completely LEGITIMATE. -- (and in fact a basic function of democracy)

Cha

(298,054 posts)
40. No.. not even close, ShazzieB.. lol
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 11:42 PM
Jan 2022

It stands for "The Fucking Failed Coup, guy"..

I got "Failed Coup Guy" from L Coyote and embellished.

Botany

(70,654 posts)
37. Do you think Fulton County, GA's D.A. Fani Willis is just messing around? She has TFG on tape.
Sun Jan 23, 2022, 09:45 PM
Jan 2022

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