Dear KC Chiefs fans, at least those in the stands today, please take your tomahawk chop ...

[11 Bravo]

and shove it right up your asses.
Then watch another team proceed to the Super Bowl.

You know it's offensive, but by God, you have your freedumb, so you did it en masse!
Now you have an entire off season to think it over.

[Iggo]

1. Preach!

[wryter2000]

2. Amen

[Diablo del sol]

3. LOL - too soon

I'm Irish, should I be offended by Fighting Irish?

[Pas-de-Calais]

18. My wife is Irish, but graduated from Okstate

She wasn’t sad around the new year

[Cobalt Violet]

28. What does that have to do with the OP?

Are you suggesting people are wrong to be offended by racist stereotypes?

[Diablo del sol]

32. bigger fish to fry

and a political loser.

Fighting Irish is a stereotype.

Cal State Long Beach change mascot from 49ers to nothing due to cultural sensitivity.

Rams cheerleaders are the Embraceable Ewes.

There are much better solutions to ending racism is sports and the general population.

[wnylib]

42. Your lack of awareness of racial issues is duly noted,

But not respected.

[Diablo del sol]

50. Plenty of awareness

University of Alabama integrated their football team when USC went there and the two SC RBs went off on the Crimson Tide.

Using that example and history, there are much better ways to impact change.

[wnylib]

52. So you are aware of racial issues

regarding integration of African Americans, but not the issues of Native Americans.

Perhaps you don't realize that opposing the stereotypes about African Americans was, and still is, part of anti racism that can save lives and bring dignity to people's lives.

Stereotypes of dangerous, violent Blacks allow cops to see them that way and shoot them.

Stereotypes of Native Americans as wild savages enables people to dehumanize them, and to see Native women as fair game for rapes and murders which go uninvestigated because it was "only an Indian."

The way people are portrayed is the way they are perceived. The way they are perceived is the way they are treated. And sometimes that is a life and death issue.

[Diablo del sol]

54. Step back and look at the big picture

Read this thread, there are multiple comments about Burrows being from LSU. He won a National Championship with them.

The head coach of that team, stone cold fucking racist. A complete fucking asshole. Now they did fire him, but his downfall was taking the team to meet Trump and he and the white lineman were whooping it up with the Mango Mussolini. The black players were shocked. Google it, look at the pictures. At that point the team was toast, obvious to the reason why.

Doesn't stop those who went to that school from being elated about the victory. Because that name on the Hoodie/Jersey when they win is bigger than almost anything else.

Nothing against any posters proud of the school, it is a sense of belonging and pride. Talk to Penn State grads, many liberal ones will defend Joe Paterno, because he won.

Changes in sports need to come with on field result, not from the stands. Make them losers, they change, call them losers they dig in.

See, I was able to do that without any personal attacks.

[wnylib]

66. Personal attack? I call it speaking truth.

I am very much aware of how people cling to their sports heroes and to loyalties to team names and mascots.

A few years ago, there was a huge, ugly verbal battle in the Buffalo suburb of Lancaster, not far from me, because of its high school sports team name. There are high schools who play against that team, that have Native American students from a nearby Seneca territory. Teams began to refuse to play the Lancaster team because of its offensive sports title.

Seneca leaders proposed a meeting for people to discuss the issue, calmly, and come to solutions together. Instead of calm discussions, parents of Lancaster students showed up with angry signs, shouts, and crude epithets at the Seneca. Some dressed as Chief Wahoo. Seneca leaders expressed disappointment at the inability to have a rational discussion.

Eventually, the school superintendant announced that the team name would be retired. The school had a contest among students to come up with an alternative name. When the new name was announced, it was parents more than students who proclaimed loudly in street demonstrations the old name followed by the word "forever."

Not very far from Lancaster, there is another high school in western NY whose sports teams are all called "Red Raiders." They no longer do the offensive dance at half time by a white student dressed as Chief Wahoo in face paint and feathers waving a tomahawk. But the Wahoo image is still available on t-shirts and sports pennants.

People who would never dream of using names offensive to African Americans, Jews, or other ethnicities/races see absolutely nothing wrong with promoting dehumanizing Native American images.

They cling strongly to their alma mater sports team names and mascots out of pride and adolescent memories. They do not see the problem unless it is bluntly spoken to them.

They are schools with little to no connection to Native societies, so why do they adopt a name that has nothing to do with them in the first place? My high school sports teams were named for a local Civil War hero (Union) that the school was named after. That makes sense.

It is an issue worth taking a stand on. People will resist no matter what is said or how. Too bad. People were offended when the Little Black Sambo storybook was removed from schools, too.

[Diablo del sol]

68. Post 42

That being said, sports bring out the best and worst in people.

Laguna Hills High School was in the news this week. Mascot is the Hawks. Not far from where I live, in same school district. Honestly never knew they had an issue at the school. And they are usually bad in football/basketball/baseball. Highly regarded academically. Turns out the assistant basketball coach has a history of being a jerk. Nothing ever done, in his case, he needs to be fired this week. And I expect that to happen. Enough thoughtful parents from all races that won't want their kid associated with a "racist" school.

[Cobalt Violet]

78. It's about a flagrant display of white supremacy and white entitlement.

Not sure why you keep going off topic and trying to make it about sports.

[Music Man]

70. I'm curious how Fighting Irish is a stereotype.

The word "Fighting" is used in lots of college teams' mascots. If it were the "Drunken Irish," I could see the offense. Otherwise, there's not a comparison between that and the Tomahawk Chop.

You asked if you are supposed to be offended by Fighting Irish. That's immaterial to the fact that many Native Americans have long found the Tomahawk Chop offensive and protested against it.

[Diablo del sol]

72. I am not offended by it

Not a Notre Dame fan, has nothing to do with the name. Fighting Turks OK? Fighting Muslims?

70+% of male sports fans could not give two turds about the chop.

Want to stop it, cancel your State Farm policy and tell them it is because they use Mahomes, add in, Rogers is a complete douche. Enough people get together and impact the bottom line, things will change. SF drops Mahomes and his next negotiations he can push the change or jump to another team where he can make more money on endorsements.

And I assume the Spotify account has been cancelled.

As for College Football, one of the biggest revenue generators, players have unprecedented ability to impact change with the NIL ruling. Hit up athletes signing with Florida State, a 10% penalty in NIL agreement for making that choice is going to have a HUGE impact on a kid who might be making his first 50 or 100k. FSU loses one or two Five Stars, that chant/chop will be gone by the beginning of the next season.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

57. If you are, I hope people listen to you.

[FalloutShelter]

4. Yaaaaassssssssss!!

[PCIntern]

5. As a Philadelphian and thus a former victim of Andy Reid,

And his coaching, I couldn’t help but cheer when I saw the Bengals win with ignominy. There is no question that the media wanted to see Kansas City do it again, but it’s going to be a different kind of Super Bowl than they wanted to hype., no matter who the NFC opponent may be.

I knew Reid’s family from the school district, and suffice it to say I have nothing good to say about them at all whatsoever.

[JanMichael]

10. I have heard similar things. Loved seeing the "chiefs" loos.

Too bad State Farm's top top NFL quarterbacks lost the last two weeks. Ha!

[RockRaven]

6. I love seeing KC lose home games for this very reason.

[JanMichael]

7. Go Bengals!!!!! Revenge for 1989 loss to the 49ers!

[MacKasey]

8. Why are they hanging over the stadium wall and slapping it?

Is this part of the tomahawk chop?

[SergeStorms]

39. Just to make noise.

They do that in every NFL stadium.

[MacKasey]

44. Thanks!

[PCIntern]

9. As long as it's not the Cowboys,

I’m happy….

[Traildogbob]

63. No worries

We never gonna win until COACH Jones is gone. So enjoy our continued losing for years to come. I’ve kind of scabbed over with the losing thing. Been a long while, back when SF and Bills were powerful before as well. They are looking great, we still suck with Jones and his spawn.

[Sur Zobra]

71. Are you referring to Jerry Jones?

He is the the owner of the team, not the coach.

[LisaM]

74. I think that was the point.

Jerry Jones acts as a de.facto coach.

[Traildogbob]

75. Exactly. The players are

His toys to play with. Only hires yes men to be HC and players don’t respect a coach that bows to every whim of the trump like owner.

[PCIntern]

79. You are right about that...

Of course, the Cowboys are singularly responsible for the NFL becoming the largest and richest form of entertainment in the United States, bar none. Nothing comes close, and I remember when the only pro football games on TV here in Philly were away games that the Eagles played with maybe a 10 minute post game show and the fact that you could get decent seats at Franklin Field on the day of the game with no problem. College football reigned supreme in those days.

[Traildogbob]

82. I go back 45 years.

Pre Jerry. His ego is the problem. I always imagine how many, if Jimmy Johnson would have not been fired. Damn hard to keep being a fan. Just a bit loyal to what they were before Jones. Many more Jerry World stadiums popping up, at tax payer expense. TV and fans have contributed to the costs. Look at just the value of Jerseys in the stands. Ticket costs, parking, and $6+ for watered down beer. We feed the monster. Dak made $75 million last year. FFS. Sick. Soldiers and educators living month to month. Wait until paying college players kicks in. Look at the transfers already. Dolla, dolla, dolla, all about the Dolla. Soccer outside US fares pretty well too. Maybe I can pull for my states team, Panthers, when the stink of Cam subsides. Trump in the Box with Jones last year about pushed me over. I just love the game, I played, won awards and have my glory days. Was kind of funny seeing middle age fat men in number 15 jerseys at Chiefs yesterday. Seriously, they relate to his talent????😂😂 and watching a fat ole fan after a beast of a man knocks a QB on his ass, the fan screaming in rabid fashion to opposing fans or players like, “I just knocked your ass out”. Ole well, guess it’s a brief escape from the falling of our democracy. Glad no red teams are in the super bowl. Those shots of fans in the stadium, furiously screaming, all in red is too much like a trump Jamboree. Stop throwing batteries at Cowboys, and snowballs at Santa🤨 and cheering when a wide receiver may be paralyzed laying motionless on the field. What did Irving ever do to ya, except break your heart. Have a good Super Bowl fellow football fan. Watch from home, drink good beer reasonably priced food and avoid covid spittle.

[Boomerproud]

11. Why doesn't Washington had a nickname yet? I think they're

playing the PC card and acting like children.

[maryellen99]

13. They are announcing it in February I believe nt

[Diablo del sol]

33. I believe the owner already copyrighted the replacement name

He is not very well liked so, it isn't getting much support.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

58. What is "the PC card"?

[Skittles]

12. I have always viewed it as extremely juvenile

reflects badly on them

[11 Bravo]

37. It used to be juvenile.

Now it's a cowardly disguised "fuck you" to anyone who sees the implicit racism in the name and the gesture.

[stopdiggin]

43. yep. nailed it. the 'chop' isn't even native to

the organization. Picked up after it started gaining disfavor in other locations. So - it is intended as a big FU - to any that might be offended or harbor sensitivities.

[48656c6c6f20]

14. Yeah that shit is offensive, rude and done. Stick a fork in it.

And the chiefs

[BlackSkimmer]

15. I still wonder why they have their name?

Washington and Cleveland lost theirs. What’s the deal here?

[rsdsharp]

16. They could go back to their original name,

but the KC faithful might have trouble rooting for the Texans.

Houston might be a little pissed, too.

[localroger]

17. Washington and Cleveland didn't 'lose' their names, they gave them up

KC hasn't gotten the memo yet that they are on the wrong side of history. It's a realistic assessment that a lot of fans will get pissed if the team capitulates and ditches the offensive but traditional name. It requires an owner and management team that are willing to take that hit in the short term.

[BlackSkimmer]

21. Yeah, I meant it in the way "lose it" kind of thing.

Seems odd this team hasn’t gotten that memo, as you say.

[CanonRay]

22. It's a Kansas City thing.

They have the Chiefs, Royals, and formerly the Kings. You get the drift. I don't find the name offensive, but the chop certainly is. Hate it when the Braves fans do it as well.

[BlackSkimmer]

23. I agree.

Just don’t understand how some teams gave it up, and some don’t.

[Rebl2]

31. Yea I

have noticed other team’s fans doing the chop as well. Wish they would stop it.

[Pmc1962]

61. Don't forget the Monarchs!

Buck O’Neil and Jackie Robinson were part of the Monarchs.

I don't find the names Chiefs or Braves offensive because they are aspirational. If you substituted the European equivalents, they would be Kings or Knights. The Irish equivalent would be Chieftain.

Everyone would like to be a Chief, King, Brave, Knight, Monarch, Chieftain etc., each represent brave and fearless leaders.

Redskin was a whole other thing, because it is denigrating.

Fighting Irish is a different category, because Irish Americans took hold of the denigrating stereotype, made it our own and flaunted it. Nobody could use it against us. We owned it.

I think the chop is silly but not the only silly thing in sports. The Chiefs Have involved the local Native American communities and gotten their input in a lot of things, getting rid if the face paint and headdresses and the horse.

[IronLionZion]

25. Color of skin is a bit worse than a rank

Washington will announce their new name this week

[BlackSkimmer]

26. But Indians? Braves?

I just find it curious.

Especially with the tomahawk thing.

[MagickMuffin]

19. We were wondering about the goal line mascot and wfh it was

Did a search and found out it's supposed to be a wolf.

We thought a rat at first!

The search mentioned the old mascot was retired for the obvious reason,yet they failed to change the team name.


Timber Wolves!

[Iggo]

20. KC Lobos. Now that would work.

[Jerry2144]

27. KC BBQ sauce

Tasty, and just a snack for most people.

I am glad the Chefs lost, but they should have lost last week

[Rebl2]

29. Glad the

Chefs lost? You mean bbq chefs?

[Jerry2144]

41. Yes

The Kansass City Chefs

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

24. Total choke by Mahomes in the 2nd half, good job Bengals

[FakeNoose]

40. No the teams were evenly matched

It was the Bengals' defense and that awesome interception in OT that made the difference in that game.

I'm not a fan of either team. I'm a Steelers fan, and the Steelers were beaten twice this year by BOTH the Bengals and the Chiefs. So maybe I have my own axe to grind.

I'm happy for the long-suffering Cincinnati fans - they've really been though a LOT!

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

65. LOL, KC had a 21-3 lead and CHOKED it away, but yes, the gals D did a good job too

2 years ago they tanked their season and got Joe Burrow, Good move there too. Steelers should learn from that.

[USALiberal]

69. Lol, nice try! Nt

[USALiberal]

30. Lol, ok!

[Celerity]

34. I don't follow American 'football' much, but if memory serves that team

is a MAGAt favourite, no? The Kansas City Chiefs. Pretty offensive name as well, IMHO, but that chop is just horrible.


Go Los Angeles! (my birthplace).

[brooklynite]

38. MAGA doesn't have a "favorite team"

Its linked to two States (one with a Democratic Governor) and a very Democratic city.

[Celerity]

47. I said 'a', not THE MAGAt team, and those 2 states are certainly MAGA, other than the KS governor.

[brooklynite]

48. As much as its an easy stereotype, Republican does not equate to MAGA

Kansas, as far as I can tell, is not attempting to overturn future elections.

[Rebl2]

55. Yes KC

pretty much a Democratic city, but suburban areas like Lee’s Summit, Blue Springs, not so much.

[Farmer-Rick]

35. Remember when TFG did the tomahawk?

He loved it.

When a disgusting smelly ignorant psycho does something, it is best not to imitate him.

[LisaM]

83. Remember when Jimmy and Roslyn Carter did it?

It was many years ago, of course, but when the Atlanta Braves were in the World Series in the 1990s, the Carters sat with Ted Turner and Jane Fonda in box seats, and they all did it. Even then, it was kind of a strange sight.

I would say 99% of people who do it mean no harm, but in a way, that's irrelevant.

[Farmer-Rick]

84. No I don't remember it

Do you have a link?

In the 90s a lot of people tolerated a lot of crap.

I recently watch an old movie from 2003 OMG. There was so much racism, homophobic jokes and misogyny, I was dumbfounded by it. I can't believe I liked the movie. And that was in the 2000s.

[LisaM]

85. I watched it on television.

It was a long time ago. I just remember seeing it live.

So it's something I witnessed personally and you are going to have to take my word for it (well,.you don't HAVE to, but I did see it).

[Farmer-Rick]

86. Well, I do believe you

But now a days so many people spread lies, it's kinda reflex to ask for a link.

But I think you are telling the truth just because you sound genuine.

We were so blind to racism and such back then......Well, I was anyway.

[LisaM]

87. Even then it looked a little weird.

Of course, the Carters sitting with Jane Fonda and Ted Turner was odd to begin with. IIRC, Atlanta had not been to the World Series for quote a while and it was a big deal.

[Deuxcents]

36. My sister n I are rabid LSU fans

We were beyond ourselves watching this really good game n the Burrow/Chase hookups..was Deja Vu and that 7 former Tiger players are on the Bengals trip to the Super Bowl. Now we have a dog in the game

[TlalocW]

45. I live in KC but am currently visiting a friend in Tulsa

I don't care about sports, but my friend is also a native Kansan so she was watching it. All my family are big Chiefs fans as well so I enjoy trolling them - especially during important games like this - with FB updates along the lines of:

I just hope both teams have fun.

It's not about trophies but the memories you make.

Mahomes needs to stay in the pocket so he can yardage his turnovers into hail mary's to take advantage of the infield fly rule.

Drives my family crazy. I also agree with changing the name, but it will be an uphill battle.

TlalocW

[Rebl2]

53. Change name?

Will not happen.

[SergeStorms]

46. Agreed, and that stupid song they chant along....

with the chop. Same thing with the NCAA's Florida State Seminoles.

Some Hollywood composer comes up with what he thought was appropriate "Indian" music for a movie in the 1950s, and 70+ years later it's still used when "cheering on" a racially insensitive football team?

I turn the volume off when they start that insipid chant, but I can't turn the TV off and still watch the game.

I hate sports on FOX, especially that asshole Joe Buck. He stinks at everything he attempts to announce. I hate everything on Fox, except the Simpsons.

[Traildogbob]

56. I am with you

That dam chop and chant sickens me. I really dispise FSU, only watched KC since MaHoneBoy got there, just because he is so good. Those rabid fans looked too much like trumpers, and I now hate red because of trump. Gotta be some covid spewing going on. Great comeback, was hoping Bengals won the OT toss and stole it without KC touching the ball. A really stupid OT rule. But Cinn had a big uphill climb, and did it. Good for em.

[SergeStorms]

73. I was happy for Cinci too.

At least we won't be subjected to Tom Brady or Aaron Rogers this year. Even Mahomes is getting old, although he's exciting to watch.
My Super Bowl was last weekend with the Bills and Chiefs. One helluva game, but Buffalo lost the toss and never got to handle the ball. Their defense was totally gassed, and Mahomes picked them apart.
I think they have to revisit that overtime process. The referee announces, "we're starting a brand new game here". No, you aren't. In what NFL game does only one team get to play offense? Its not sour grapes, I've thought this since they established it.
I guess I'll have to pull for Cinci to win, pulling for the underdog and all. I liked Burrows at LSU, and he's not having any trouble translating his talents to the Pro game.

[Traildogbob]

76. Agree with everything

Do wish Burrows would drop the cigar thing though. Comes off as arrogant, but he has been backed it up. So much young QB talent in the league. My season always ends early with my team, but Rodgers going down made the season for me. Just glad no red team is in, looks too much like a trump jamboree in the stands. Glad Stafford got away from Detroit so he has this chance. Playoffs have been great. OT rule has to change.

[Evolve Dammit]

49. Time for all racial/ ethnic names to go.

[ZZenith]

51. CAN I GET AN "AMEN?!"

SO happy the Chiefs lost.

[LoisB]

59. Whatever happened to just yelling "yay"?

[LoisB]

60. Whatever happened to just yelling "yay"?

[Stinky The Clown]

62. Amen!

[C Moon]

64. I loathe that and the dumb chant.

[budkin]

67. It's 2022, and time for this to end

Seriously. End it.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

77. As a fan of the Braves, our fans need to stop as well

[Emile]

80. You would think after all the press through the years

Kansas City would stop the chop and change their name too.

[DenaliDemocrat]

81. Mahomes is a mechanically flawed QB

His athletic abilities cover it up - until they don’t.