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Carlitos Brigante

(26,509 posts)
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 01:05 AM Dec 2022

Putin Ally Blames Crisis on Rise of Black U.S. Music Stars He Calls 'Descendants of African American

Slaves’

https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-ally-blames-crisis-rise-135551091.html

“Many of our children… are already growing up without knowing or remembering their kindred tribe,” he lamented, claiming that they are instead “singing songs written by the descendants of African-American slaves, often playing the ape and imitating the habits and language, brimming with, frankly, second-rate quasi-cultural vulgarity. Clinging to this secondariness, being proud of it.”

“Hence the growth of overt spiritual emptiness, depression, suicides. The lack of meaning in life,” he wrote.

Though Shumkov did not mention Russia’s war against Ukraine as a possible reason for the bleak mood in the country, he went on to hint at a growing rift between ordinary Russians that he blamed on outside forces, claiming that a “neglect of native culture” has led to a biblical Cain and Abel situation, with brothers pitted against brothers by “foreign ‘well-wishers’” who see them as “expendable.”

While Shumkov’s remarks were simultaneously mocked and criticized on social media, the Russian State Duma found nothing offensive in his argument.

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Putin Ally Blames Crisis on Rise of Black U.S. Music Stars He Calls 'Descendants of African American (Original Post) Carlitos Brigante Dec 2022 OP
American soft power. carpetbagger Dec 2022 #1
Does he mean like cilla4progress Dec 2022 #2
Nazis and so-called commies seem to have merged. Take it from famous nazi sympathizer Henry Ford. usonian Dec 2022 #3
Who's the commie? iemanja Dec 2022 #8
Fascists are not communists. Communism dissolves companies, Fascism links to companies. nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2022 #10
To clarify, I use the names even if people have disavowed the original meaning. usonian Dec 2022 #11
Yeah, communism in practice is very different from communism in theory Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2022 #12
Fascists and communists meet at authoritarianism. Left Wing Authoritarianism / Right Wing Authoritar Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2022 #13
They're scared of Aretha Franklin SCantiGOP Dec 2022 #4
Who's talking crap Corgigal Dec 2022 #5
Shocker. Solly Mack Dec 2022 #6
Pushkin, arguably Russia's greatest writer, was descended from an enslaved African. Tanuki Dec 2022 #7
Stalin thought the same racist things as Putin's ally. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2022 #9
Who cares what purveyors of brutal and sub-human... brush Dec 2022 #14
''remembering kindred tribe'' Donkees Dec 2022 #15

carpetbagger

(4,392 posts)
1. American soft power.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 01:10 AM
Dec 2022

How many army divisions is American rap music worth? Through all the good and the bad things we've done, every single young man in this world sees a different America, one that's in their side in their rage and their angst.

Sucks to be you, Friend of Vlad.

usonian

(9,928 posts)
3. Nazis and so-called commies seem to have merged. Take it from famous nazi sympathizer Henry Ford.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 01:29 AM
Dec 2022

Last edited Fri Dec 2, 2022, 04:10 AM - Edit history (1)

https://jalopnik.com/henry-ford-plotted-to-destroy-black-jewish-jazz-with-c-1788536315
Henry Ford Plotted To Destroy Black, Jewish Jazz With Country Music
BLAC Mag’s Aaron Foley, a Jalopnik alum, wrote up that a big part of white country music’s rise was thanks to Henry Ford sponsoring its specifically white aspects to keep his workers away from jazz’s “monkey talk and jungle squeals.” And as he was wont to do, Ford blamed Jews for jazz’s presence.

more about Ford:
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=edit&forum=1002&thread=17417983&pid=17418408

He was awarded the Grand Cross of the German Eagle from Nazi officials, 1938

Worried about a metaverse and artificial reality? These creeps are all living in an imaginary world of lies and conspiracies.




usonian

(9,928 posts)
11. To clarify, I use the names even if people have disavowed the original meaning.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 04:05 AM
Dec 2022

There are no communists. Just CINO's.

I'll maybe clarify later. Maybe not.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,062 posts)
12. Yeah, communism in practice is very different from communism in theory
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 04:09 AM
Dec 2022

Theory: "From each according to ability, to each according to need."

Practice: "From each according to station in life, to each according to elevation in the system." Apparatchiks, nomenclatura; like "made men" in the mob.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,062 posts)
13. Fascists and communists meet at authoritarianism. Left Wing Authoritarianism / Right Wing Authoritar
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 04:14 AM
Dec 2022

Any authoritarianism, be it monarchism, dictatorship, communism in practice, oligarchism, theocracy, fascism, or Big Brother must be rejected in all forms and combatted where necessary.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
5. Who's talking crap
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 01:47 AM
Dec 2022

about Earth, Wind and Fire? Better not, because happy music last forever.

Bitter old short silly white dude, can drop any day.

Tanuki

(14,926 posts)
7. Pushkin, arguably Russia's greatest writer, was descended from an enslaved African.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 02:46 AM
Dec 2022
https://daily.jstor.org/how-alexander-pushkin-was-inspired-by-his-african-heritage/

"Alexander Pushkin is known as the quintessential Russian writer. What many readers don’t know is that he took particular inspiration from his African great-grandfather, General Abraham Petrovitch Gannibal.

According to Anne Lounsbery, a scholar of Russian Literature, “Boyar credentials, African heritage, and a personal link to Peter the Great were all crucial to Pushkin’s identity.” Playing up his connection with Gannibal, the author adopted the nickname “afrikanets, ‘the African.” His connection with his relative showed up in other ways, too.
...
For Pushkin, the African ancestor who left traces of himself in his physique was also present in his persona. Pushkin’s work criticized society, which led to temporary banishment. Gannibal represented what it was like to be uprooted, yet live in the heart of one’s adoptive homeland. He was simultaneously an insider and an outsider, rather like a poet who looks in on the world to compose about it.

This influence provides a subtext for many of Pushkin’s writings, including The Moor of Peter the Great, his unfinished historical novel of Gannibal’s life.

Pushkin’s most famous work, Eugène Onegin, alludes to Russia’s turbulent history straddling East and West. The story has been reinterpreted as an opera (Tchaikovsky, 1879), ballet (Cranko, 1965), and film (Martha Fiennes, 1999, starring Ralph Fiennes and Liv Tyler). It also contains one of his most famous references to his own mixture of Russian and African heritage. It is a description of straddling two worlds:

“It’s time to drop astern the shape
of the dull shores of my disfavour,
and there, beneath your noonday sky,
my Africa, where waves break high,
to mourn for Russia’s gloomy savour,
land where I learned to love and weep,
land where my heart is buried deep.”

brush

(53,960 posts)
14. Who cares what purveyors of brutal and sub-human...
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 05:10 AM
Dec 2022

behavior by unprovoked invaders of a neighboring country think. This clown is likely to be one of the ones who will go before a war crimes tribunal when it is all over with.

Meanwhile African American culture continues to spark new creativity into the nation's larger culture which thankfully and finally recognizes its merit to the addition of it to the American stew which distinguishes it from over reliance on European tropes.

Me thinks the that particular Russian unknowingly envies streams out of American and influences other cultures globally, much more than Russia's which never had much more than czar-aristocracy-serf cultural dynamics then strongman-cronies-apparachik functionaries to nobodies keeping a low profile while trying to survive to avoid being jailed by the state for protesting injustice. Is it much better today with Putin as the new Stalin who envisions himself as the Peter the Great 2.0 but who has plunged his economy into an internationally sanctioned and failing mess of state capitalism with a policy of invading neighbors...Afghanistan, Chechyna, Georgia, and now Ukraine.

Oh boy, not much to bragg about from the Russkies.

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