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edhopper

(33,651 posts)
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 12:06 PM Dec 2022

How much is Trump owned by Putin?

We know that Russia interfered with the 2016 election. We know they coordinated with the Trump campaign. Beyond that, I think they have immersed themselves in American politics far more than has been revealed. I suspect they have their hooks in more than a few American politicians (mostly GOP) and they continue to meddle.
I wonder if we will ever learn the extent of their corrupting influence?
It's easy to fall into the conspiracy theory trap, but sometime their really are conspiracies.

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How much is Trump owned by Putin? (Original Post) edhopper Dec 2022 OP
Remember when Eric told us that the Trump Org didn't need banks for financing? OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2022 #1
You are correct. He was stating a matter of fact. LastDemocratInSC Dec 2022 #6
At the time, American banks wouldn't deal with trump & co... Wounded Bear Dec 2022 #8
One has to ask... 2naSalit Dec 2022 #2
There are real conspiracies in the world... Wounded Bear Dec 2022 #9
Don't forget the NRA money and the foreign agent underpants Dec 2022 #3
NRA Money Is A Drop In The Bucket.... ProfessorGAC Dec 2022 #12
Perhaps that explains the mandatory visit by the US Republican delegation to Russia on July 4, 2017. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2022 #18
That I saw as a simple game by Putin underpants Dec 2022 #20
Up to his fucking soulless eye balls..... ProudMNDemocrat Dec 2022 #4
Tip of the iceberg: Marcuse Dec 2022 #5
+1 I forgot the mention of Ukraine in that discussion bronxiteforever Dec 2022 #26
Putin has much more than pee tapes. gab13by13 Dec 2022 #7
I always figured that pee tapes (if real) were the least of trump's worries... Wounded Bear Dec 2022 #10
Putin owns the NRA...thru that the whole party JT45242 Dec 2022 #11
And then there was the curious story about an aluminum plant to be built in Kentucky Ford_Prefect Dec 2022 #13
It was never built and all discussion went away after Mitch's re-election. Lonestarblue Dec 2022 #15
Yes that's true. But the money didn't. It was an election year stunt to support Mitch. Ford_Prefect Dec 2022 #19
Everytime "they" bring up Hunter and his laptop "they" are giving Russian talking points Botany Dec 2022 #14
It's amazing how many millions could care less and would vote for him again, no problem. Rule of law Evolve Dammit Dec 2022 #16
thing is- pootie is just 1 oligarch. a whole bunch of them own pieces of him, and the whole gqp. mopinko Dec 2022 #17
The Mueller report concluded that Russia interfered and Trump benefitted Ohioboy Dec 2022 #21
A question edhopper Dec 2022 #22
Nor did Biden's DoJ. The statute of limitation on those crimes have now run out. Question: Why? NullTuples Dec 2022 #29
There is a ton of crap DENVERPOPS Dec 2022 #23
So much, I tell ya! LymphocyteLover Dec 2022 #24
Putting money into Trump was the best investment Putin ever made. keithbvadu2 Dec 2022 #25
Guessing around 99%. flying_wahini Dec 2022 #27
more like 100% sarchasm Dec 2022 #30
The Russian Internet Research Agency has consistently pushed two US presidential candidates. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #28
The republican party is an extension of putin. William769 Dec 2022 #31
I wouldn't even call it a conspiracy, at this point. Quakerfriend Dec 2022 #32
Diarrhea Donny's Sugar Vladdy with the soiled pants Blue Owl Dec 2022 #33

OAITW r.2.0

(24,723 posts)
1. Remember when Eric told us that the Trump Org didn't need banks for financing?
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 12:14 PM
Dec 2022

They had all the money they needed from Russia.

Wounded Bear

(58,762 posts)
9. There are real conspiracies in the world...
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 12:30 PM
Dec 2022

all the fake ones tend to cloud the issue a bit, but there are groups of people that conspire to lie, cheat, and steal.

underpants

(182,984 posts)
3. Don't forget the NRA money and the foreign agent
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 12:17 PM
Dec 2022

Maria Butina. She has pictures with everyone in the GOP. I have zero doubt the Russians have tons of dirt on the right much of it self created.

ProfessorGAC

(65,325 posts)
12. NRA Money Is A Drop In The Bucket....
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 01:16 PM
Dec 2022

...compared to Russian & Saudi money.
Their total revenue is just a bit over $400 million.
That's "couch cushion" money for those other 2 interlopers.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
26. +1 I forgot the mention of Ukraine in that discussion
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 02:27 PM
Dec 2022

It really is chilling reading this after Putin’s invasion.

Wounded Bear

(58,762 posts)
10. I always figured that pee tapes (if real) were the least of trump's worries...
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 12:31 PM
Dec 2022

WRT his Russian connections.

JT45242

(2,313 posts)
11. Putin owns the NRA...thru that the whole party
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 01:00 PM
Dec 2022

Likely has deep claws in the federalist society as well.

So much dark money from Russian oligarchs to people like Paul. Ron Johnson, Tuberville, etc. The entire group that spent July 4 in their mother Russia.

Ford_Prefect

(7,927 posts)
13. And then there was the curious story about an aluminum plant to be built in Kentucky
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 01:16 PM
Dec 2022

with Russian Oligarch financing...

Sanctioned Russian Oligarch's Company to Invest Millions in New Aluminum Plant in Mitch McConnell's State
BY CRISTINA MAZA ON 4/15/19

Rusal, the aluminum company partially owned by Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska, announced plans to invest around $200 million to build a new aluminum plant in Kentucky just months after the Trump administration removed it from the U.S. sanctions list.

The new aluminum plant, slated to be built in the home state of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, will be the biggest new aluminum plant constructed in the U.S. in decades. Rusal will have a 40 percent stake in the facility.

"Rusal, one of the leading global aluminium producers, and Braidy Industries Inc., a U.S. base holding company which owns both Veloxint, an MIT-incubated lightweighting solutions company, and NanoAl, a Northwestern University incubated materials research and technology company, announce an intent to establish a joint project in Ashland, Kentucky, USA to produce flat-rolled aluminium products for the U.S. automotive industry," according to a company press release.


https://www.newsweek.com/company-russian-oligarch-millions-aluminum-plant-mitch-mcconnell-1397061

Lonestarblue

(10,134 posts)
15. It was never built and all discussion went away after Mitch's re-election.
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 01:43 PM
Dec 2022

Obviously Russian help to keep a Russia-friendly Republican in the Senate with no intention of actually following through on the promises.

Ford_Prefect

(7,927 posts)
19. Yes that's true. But the money didn't. It was an election year stunt to support Mitch.
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 01:54 PM
Dec 2022

A number of Russian Oligarchs with ties to Putin have been investing, and funding indirectly GOP political activity. The DOJ seems to have noticed this pattern.

Botany

(70,633 posts)
14. Everytime "they" bring up Hunter and his laptop "they" are giving Russian talking points
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 01:24 PM
Dec 2022

This was from the republican controlled Senate intell committee that produced this report in 2018.

********
A New Report Adds Evidence That Trump Was a Russian Asset
He helped Putin manipulate the U.S. election in 2020, as he did in 2016.

As to Russia, the report leaves no doubt: In 2020, as in 2016, “President Putin authorized, and a range of Russian government organizations conducted, influence operations” to help Trump and hurt his Democratic opponent. For example, “Shortly after the 2018 midterm elections, Russian intelligence cyber actors attempted to hack organizations primarily affiliated with the Democratic Party.” Then, in late 2019, Russia’s military intelligence service, the GRU, “conducted a phishing campaign against subsidiaries of Burisma holdings, likely in an attempt to gather information related to President Biden’s family.” Throughout the 2020 election, agents “connected to the Russian Federal Security Service,” FSB, planted negative stories about Biden. Internet operatives working for the Kremlin, including the troll farm that had boosted Trump in 2016, continued to promote “Trump and his commentary, including repeating his political messaging.”

Attacks on Biden and his son, Hunter, were part of this operation. Through “US officials and prominent US individuals, some of whom were close to former President Trump and his administration,” the report says Russia’s intelligence services “repeatedly spread unsubstantiated or misleading claims about President Biden and his family’s alleged wrongdoing related to Ukraine.” In this way, Trump’s circle “laundered” the Russian-planted stories, which were then recirculated—and promoted by Russia’s online proxies—as American news.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/03/trump-russian-asset-election-intelligence-community-report.html


BTW I might be wrong but I think Putin/Russia are way deep into Fox Nes.

Evolve Dammit

(16,793 posts)
16. It's amazing how many millions could care less and would vote for him again, no problem. Rule of law
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 01:45 PM
Dec 2022

is going to change if a MAGAT WINS IN 2024.

mopinko

(70,294 posts)
17. thing is- pootie is just 1 oligarch. a whole bunch of them own pieces of him, and the whole gqp.
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 01:51 PM
Dec 2022

imho, murdoch has done far more damage than putler. the mercers.
and that russian money came from a lot of pockets, too.

Ohioboy

(3,248 posts)
21. The Mueller report concluded that Russia interfered and Trump benefitted
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 02:05 PM
Dec 2022

Though it didn't come right out and say he and Russia conspired, it certainly never "exonerated" Trump. To the contrary, the report showed a lot of evidence that Trump tried to thwart the investigation.

What president, unless he's guilty, tries to thwart an investigation into whether or not a foreign nation tried to interfere with our elections?

DENVERPOPS

(8,879 posts)
23. There is a ton of crap
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 02:17 PM
Dec 2022

That Trump and the Republicans pulled off during the four years that no one will ever know about.........

Our military was fighting in Syria to protect the rebels from Putin's best buddy ASSAD, a tyrant who was trying to rule Syria.....

The Hague? and United Nations, with our military guarding them, were inspecting the towns, (that included the Rebels), for proof of Chemical Weapons being used by ASSAD on his own people........

They not only found indisputable evidence of that happening, but the actual chemical weapons shells which still had residue of the lethal chemical agents......The shells were proven and documented to be supplied by Russia/Putin to Assad......

The inspectors had just finished their thorough inspection and were ready to leave Syria and present their info to the world courts.
Suddenly, at the same time, Trump ordered our military out of Syria, literally overnight, and which included us leaving ALL the U.S. Military's weapons. Assad immediately declared himself the leader of Syria and declared war on the Rebels and probably wiped them all out.

keithbvadu2

(36,995 posts)
25. Putting money into Trump was the best investment Putin ever made.
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 02:24 PM
Dec 2022

Putting money into Trump was the best investment Putin ever made.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
28. The Russian Internet Research Agency has consistently pushed two US presidential candidates.
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 02:33 PM
Dec 2022

One was Donald J Trump.

Quakerfriend

(5,456 posts)
32. I wouldn't even call it a conspiracy, at this point.
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 02:47 PM
Dec 2022

The question is, How deep does it go?
Putin has been working on destabilizing democracies around the world for a long time- via social media, specific individuals and through manufactured chaos.

I read that on 12/8/21 someone in France simultaneously dispersed 28 Bitcoin ($500K) to 22 virtual wallets- many of which were R wingers- Another 250K was sent to Nick Fuentes. Were these payments for prep for 1/6???
The FBI has identified the person who dispensed the funds & and some of the recipients.

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