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brooklynite

(94,852 posts)
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 12:01 AM Dec 2022

'Cuba Is Depopulating': Largest Exodus Yet Threatens Country's Future

New York Times

Living conditions in Cuba under Communist rule have long been precarious, but today, deepening poverty and hopelessness have set off the largest exodus from the Caribbean island nation since Fidel Castro rose to power over half a century ago.
The country has been hit by a one-two-punch of tighter U.S. sanctions and the Covid-19 pandemic, which eviscerated one of Cuba’s lifelines — the tourism industry. Food has become even more scarce and more expensive, lines at pharmacies with scant supplies begin before dawn and millions of people endure daily hourslong blackouts.

Over the last year, nearly 250,000 Cubans, more than 2 percent of the island’s 11 million population, have migrated to the United States, most of them arriving at the southern border by land, according to U.S. government data.

Even for a nation known for mass exodus, the current wave is remarkable — larger than the 1980 Mariel boatlift and the 1994 Cuban rafter crisis combined, until recently the island’s two biggest migration events.




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'Cuba Is Depopulating': Largest Exodus Yet Threatens Country's Future (Original Post) brooklynite Dec 2022 OP
Just wait until the climate crisis is in full swing 10-20 years from now. roamer65 Dec 2022 #1
Yeah sure. Screw fellow americans. I don't think so. jimfields33 Dec 2022 #6
Not everyone will make it. Kaleva Dec 2022 #8
Let nature decide. Not banning people. jimfields33 Dec 2022 #9
People may fight back against those trying to move in. Kaleva Dec 2022 #10
Yes, screw some fellow Americans NickB79 Dec 2022 #13
I actually don't think the north are going to be immune from hurricanes jimfields33 Dec 2022 #15
I wonder how things are going in Afghanistan, or Haiti, or El Salvador. Or Yemen. Gaugamela Dec 2022 #2
I think Vietnam and Philippines are ok JI7 Dec 2022 #3
Really? Gaugamela Dec 2022 #4
There's been issues in many of those countries for a long time. Kaleva Dec 2022 #11
Where would they be? former9thward Dec 2022 #30
Poor Haiti is going down the drain, makes Cuba like a paradise EX500rider Dec 2022 #19
I give you a firsthand glimpse of the US embargo of Cuba Samrob Dec 2022 #5
It would be appropriate to become familiar with your source, if you don't really know already. Judi Lynn Dec 2022 #7
+1,000 7wo7rees Dec 2022 #12
Thank you for your kindness, Ms7wo7rees! 🌲🌲 Judi Lynn Dec 2022 #34
Will Reporters Without Borders do? EX500rider Dec 2022 #20
Cuba controversy Judi Lynn Dec 2022 #35
The US paying for press it not quite the same as Cuba suppressing it. nt EX500rider Dec 2022 #38
"The Embargo" is a misnomer brooklynite Dec 2022 #14
They produce great doctors! leftstreet Dec 2022 #17
"Produce great food too'" brooklynite Dec 2022 #18
We have punished Fidel sufficiently. It is time to forgive our neighbor. Chainfire Dec 2022 #16
Its also time for our neighbor to let their citizens live freely. brooklynite Dec 2022 #27
Cuban-born UPS driver's reaction to first paycheck goes viral EX500rider Dec 2022 #21
Comment by Wayne Smith, US Interests Section head in Havana for Jimmy Carter: Judi Lynn Dec 2022 #22
Top Republican pledges to maintain Cuba trade embargo Judi Lynn Dec 2022 #23
A timeline of US-Cuba relations since the Cuban revolution Judi Lynn Dec 2022 #24
Jimmy Carter remembers Fidel Castro 'fondly' Judi Lynn Dec 2022 #25
I guess everybody has their favorite dictator? Lol EX500rider Dec 2022 #37
Economist: Why Obama's visit to Cuba is groundbreaking Judi Lynn Dec 2022 #26
Obama tried. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2022 #28
The Real Reason It's Nearly Impossible to End the Cuba Embargo Judi Lynn Dec 2022 #29
My problem with Cuba is that it harbors American fugitives. former9thward Dec 2022 #31
Clearly there are too many people who've never bothered to learn US/Cuban history. Judi Lynn Dec 2022 #32
The US didn't make Cuba become a police state EX500rider Dec 2022 #36
Terrorism: Made in the U.S.A. Judi Lynn Dec 2022 #33

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
1. Just wait until the climate crisis is in full swing 10-20 years from now.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 12:09 AM
Dec 2022

It will be MILLIONS trying to go north, including climate deniers from the southern US.

The climate deniers should be sorted out and not allowed to migrate north.

jimfields33

(16,050 posts)
9. Let nature decide. Not banning people.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 08:27 AM
Dec 2022

Not to mention a lot of people in the south are originally from the north now a days.

Kaleva

(36,372 posts)
10. People may fight back against those trying to move in.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 08:37 AM
Dec 2022

That would be natural as fighting for and defending territory is commonplace amongst species.

NickB79

(19,277 posts)
13. Yes, screw some fellow Americans
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 09:17 AM
Dec 2022

The ones who voted Republican and keep voting Republican even after climate change destroys their homes get zero sympathy from me.

If a climate-boosted Cat 5 hurricane destroyed Mar-A-Lago, don't tell me you'd defend poor Trump as a "fellow American".

jimfields33

(16,050 posts)
15. I actually don't think the north are going to be immune from hurricanes
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 11:05 AM
Dec 2022

Sandy proof that. Quite frankly, I think the entire country is going to be a mess. We may not have anywhere to move and no I would not cry over Mar-a-Lago going however, area around Trump home is very democratic.

Gaugamela

(2,496 posts)
2. I wonder how things are going in Afghanistan, or Haiti, or El Salvador. Or Yemen.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 01:53 AM
Dec 2022

Or Nicaragua. Or Vietnam.

Or the Philippines.

Or . . .

Kaleva

(36,372 posts)
11. There's been issues in many of those countries for a long time.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 08:40 AM
Dec 2022

Despite US intervention in WWII, Germany and Japan have done well.

former9thward

(32,111 posts)
30. Where would they be?
Mon Dec 12, 2022, 10:34 PM
Dec 2022

Vietnam is doing just fine. Have you been there? I have, several times. American investment all over -- which is very welcomed there.

EX500rider

(10,884 posts)
19. Poor Haiti is going down the drain, makes Cuba like a paradise
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 12:33 PM
Dec 2022

Read this recent BBC piece:
Haiti: Inside the capital city taken hostage by brutal gangs
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-63707429

Judi Lynn

(160,656 posts)
7. It would be appropriate to become familiar with your source, if you don't really know already.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 07:33 AM
Dec 2022

I'd suggest DU'ers scan the source's recent articles, to get a sense of its world view:

https://fee.org/archive


FEE (Foundation for Economic Education)
Nonprofit organization
The Foundation for Economic Education (FEE) envisions a world where the ideas of liberty are familiar and credible to the rising generation.

FEE's Vision
To make the ideas of liberty familiar, credible, and compelling to the rising generation

FEE's mission is to inspire, educate, and connect future leaders with the economic, ethical, and legal principles of a free society.

These principles include: individual liberty, free-market economics, entrepreneurship, private property, high moral character, and limited government.

https://www.instagram.com/feeonline/

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cl1Q2w3vD4E/

https://fee.org/

This is not the source to use for honest information on Cuba. Take time to do serious research on the subject.

EX500rider

(10,884 posts)
20. Will Reporters Without Borders do?
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 12:40 PM
Dec 2022
Cuba:Ranked 173 out of 180 countries

Cuba remains, year in and year out, the worst country for press freedom in Latin America.
Arrests, arbitrary detentions, threats of imprisonment, persecution and harassment, illegal raids of homes, confiscation and destruction of equipment – all this is the daily lot for journalists who do not follow the Castroist party line. Likewise, officials control foreign journalists’ coverage by granting accreditation selectively, and expelling reporters considered “too negative” toward the regime


https://rsf.org/en/country/cuba

Other freedom index's are equally dismal, it is a police state.

Judi Lynn

(160,656 posts)
35. Cuba controversy
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 05:49 AM
Dec 2022

NEWSGATHERING

Paying journalists to appear on government broadcasts abroad is legal, but the practice raises thorny ethical questions for reporters.



From the Fall 2006 issue of The News Media & The Law, page 24.

By Karl D. Olson

In Argentina this summer, Miami TV reporter Juan Manuel Cao pointedly questioned Cuban dictator Fidel Castro in a recorded exchange. Castro replied by asking, “Who pays you?”

The answer, it turns out, was the U.S. government. The Miami Herald reported that Cao received more than $10,000 through a government program that paid at least 49 journalists to appear on Radio Martí and TV Martí, two U.S. broadcast organizations that espouse anti-Castro views and transmit solely to Cuba.

The revelations have shocked journalists who say the case of the South Florida reporters is part of a disturbing wave of media payoffs that raises serious concerns about the media’s credibility, especially in the international community.
“How sad that Fidel Castro had a better understanding of what was motivating these people than did their readers or their employers,” said Lee Wilkins, a professor and media ethicist at the University of Missouri in Columbia.

Among the South Florida journalists who took payments were reporters for El Nuevo Herald, the Spanish-language sister newspaper of The Miami Herald. The newspaper fired three reporters, then offered them their jobs back several weeks later, citing unclear newsroom communication about the paper’s ethics policy.
But the controversy prompted the publisher who oversaw both papers, Jesus Diaz Jr., to quit after trying to spike two Miami Herald columns about the Martí affair.

More:
https://www.rcfp.org/journals/the-news-media-and-the-law-fall-2006/cuba-controversy/

brooklynite

(94,852 posts)
14. "The Embargo" is a misnomer
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 10:44 AM
Dec 2022

All it means is a limit on trade with the US. Cuba has always been able to trade with Europe and others. The problem is that their political restrictions and command economy don’t result in saleable products.

leftstreet

(36,117 posts)
17. They produce great doctors!
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 11:27 AM
Dec 2022

Not "saleable" as in profitable, but then all Western metrics are measured in profit

Produce great food too!

brooklynite

(94,852 posts)
18. "Produce great food too'"
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 11:44 AM
Dec 2022

No they don’t. The quality may be good but the quantity is inadequate to meet the needs of the population. As for the doctors, they’re not exporting them out of the goodness of their heart; they’re paid for in hard currency or political influence.

EX500rider

(10,884 posts)
21. Cuban-born UPS driver's reaction to first paycheck goes viral
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 12:48 PM
Dec 2022
PHOENIX, Ariz. (WKRC) -
A UPS driver who was born in Cuba went viral after his wife recorded him getting his first paycheck.
Yoel Diaz says, before he came to the US, he was struggling so much he could barely fill his refrigerator.
"Water, water, water, five, ten eggs, water," Diaz said, was usually all he had in it.
Back then, he was working as a computer science teacher for $12 a month.

"This is my first hourly paycheck that I feel every hour counted, that every hour of work has importance in my life and that I know I can work hard for something," Diaz said in the video. "I can't compare that emotion with anything, because I never had that in my country."



https://local12.com/news/offbeat/cuban-born-ups-drivers-reaction-first-paycheck-goes-viral-yoel-diaz-immigration-immigrant-social-media-clip-views-united-states-postal-service-phoenix-arizona?-fbpost-american-dream&fbclid=IwAR2z7wLS3STE6lzd2BD4GXRJ4mGvYD9_4KfcJ0iu0Ivhs_HePxwtlDMDNiM

Judi Lynn

(160,656 posts)
22. Comment by Wayne Smith, US Interests Section head in Havana for Jimmy Carter:
Mon Dec 12, 2022, 08:11 PM
Dec 2022
MAY 14, 2007 ISSUE

Changing Course on Cuba

The US government’s policy toward Cuba is imperial, irrational, arguably insane. It’s time to change it.
By The Editors APRIL 26, 2007

What do you call a US policy that allows a notorious international terrorist to walk free on bail? A policy that detains and fines a class of New York high school students for taking a study trip over spring break? A policy that has been repudiated at the United Nations by virtually every other country in the world? A policy that, after forty-eight years of abject failure, is still based on the false assumption that success–in the form of “regime change”–is just around the corner? Imperial. Illogical. Irrational. Insane.

As Wayne Smith, former chief of the US interest section in Havana, has observed, Cuba seems to have “the same effect on American administrations that the full moon has on werewolves.” For almost five decades this small Caribbean nation has inspired some of the most rabid US policies, from economic embargoes and diplomatic sanctions to covert ops, paramilitary invasions and assassination attempts. Fidel Castro has survived such aggression from nine US Presidents, and it now appears he may outlast a tenth.

The next occupant of the White House will have an unusual opportunity to bring US policy toward Cuba into the twenty-first century. Slowly but surely, the political actors are realigning. Castro’s illness opened up unprecedented possibilities for change on the island, and the stable transition of power to his brother Raul exposed as a fallacy Washington’s prediction that the regime would disintegrate without its founder. Recent opinion polls reflect more moderate attitudes among Cuban-Americans, a shift that could ease the vise-like grip hard-line exiles have held over the crucial swing state of Florida. The Democratic takeover of Congress has placed limits on the power of right-wing Cuban-American legislators. Finally, the Administration has drained the blood from its global crusade for regime change with the self-inflicted wound known as the Iraq War.

In Washington, there is a reinvigorated, and increasingly bipartisan, effort to pressure Bush, presidential contenders and the new Congress to lift parts of the embargo and move toward normal relations. On April 18, for example, the New America Foundation launched an initiative to shape a “new consensus” on Cuba at a press conference featuring Colin Powell’s former chief of staff, Col. Lawrence Wilkerson. Speakers at the event echoed a recent report from the Center for Democracy in the Americas, In Our National Interest: Top Ten Reasons for Changing US Policy Toward Cuba: “We need a new Cuba policy rooted in America’s national interest and our common sense.”

More:
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/changing-course-cuba/

Judi Lynn

(160,656 posts)
23. Top Republican pledges to maintain Cuba trade embargo
Mon Dec 12, 2022, 08:22 PM
Dec 2022

OCTOBER 18, 201612:07 PMUPDATED 6 YEARS AGO

By Patricia Zengerle

3 MIN READ

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The top Republican in the U.S. Congress dimmed hopes that lawmakers might end the embargo on Cuba after President Barack Obama leaves office, saying on Tuesday he intends to keep the trade restrictions in place.

. . .

The Obama administration has been easing restrictions on dealings with Cuba since the surprise announcement in 2014 by Obama and Cuban President Raul Castro that the long-time foes would move toward more normal relations.

On Friday, the White House announced new measures to further ease trade, travel and financial restrictions, including allowing American travelers to bring home more of the country’s coveted cigars and rum. But the half-century-long embargo can only be lifted fully by Congress, which is controlled by Ryan’s Republicans. While some join most of Obama’s fellow Democrats in backing the new policies, party leaders have opposed legislation to ease restrictions.

Some lawmakers had hoped attitudes in Congress might soften after Obama leaves office in January, even if Democrats do not win majorities in the House and Senate, especially with Americans accustomed to two years of freer travel and business.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cuba-usa-ryan/top-republican-pledges-to-maintain-cuba-trade-embargo-idUSKCN12I27D

Judi Lynn

(160,656 posts)
24. A timeline of US-Cuba relations since the Cuban revolution
Mon Dec 12, 2022, 08:42 PM
Dec 2022
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,pg_1,q_60,w_1315/efa4a5cd7bde4c4cbb3f4541590c0281.jpg

Raul Castro and Barack Obama shake hands at Nelson Mandela’s funeral.
Image: AP Photo

By Adam Epstein
Published November 26, 2016

January 1, 1959—Fidel Castro overthrows President Fulgencio Batista and establishes a revolutionary socialist state.

1959—Cuba begins nationalizing US-owned properties in Cuba. The US gradually implements trade restrictions. Cuba leans on the Soviet Union to compensate.

March, 1960—President Eisenhower authorizes the CIA to train Cuban refugees to overthrow Castro.

October 19, 1960—The US stops all exports to Cuba.

January 3, 1961—The US breaks official diplomatic relations with Cuba and closes its embassy in Havana.

April 17, 1961—President John F. Kennedy sends 1,500 CIA-trained paramilitary fighters into Cuba to overthrow Castro. The invasion is a categorical failure. Castro uses the victory to reaffirm his control and deepen ties to the Soviet Union.

October 14-28, 1962—The Cuban Missile Crisis. An American spy plane spots Soviet-owned medium to intermediate-range missiles on the ground in Cuba. After weeks of tense negotiations, Nikita Khrushchev agrees to dismantle the weapons.

February 8, 1963—Kennedy prohibits US citizens from traveling to or making financial transactions with Cuba. The embargo devastates the Cuban economy over the course of the next 50 years.

March 19, 1977—President Jimmy Carter allows the US travel restrictions to lapse.

September 1, 1977—Under Carter, the US opens an Interests Section in Havana, technically part of the Swiss embassy. Cuba opens an Interests Section in Washington, DC.

More:
https://qz.com/314271/a-timeline-of-us-cuban-relations-since-the-cuban-revolution

Judi Lynn

(160,656 posts)
25. Jimmy Carter remembers Fidel Castro 'fondly'
Mon Dec 12, 2022, 08:45 PM
Dec 2022

POLITICAL INSIDER
By Greg Bluestein, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Nov 26, 2016

Former President Jimmy Carter had kind words for Cuban dictator Fidel Castro, who died Friday, saying in a statement he and his wife "remember fondly our visits with him in Cuba and his love of his country."


Castro, who was 90, was long a scourge of the U.S. who brought the Cold War to America's doorstep. But he and Carter, a Georgia native, had warmer relations.

Carter took a step to normalize relations between the two nations during his presidency, and the two shared several visits, including a 2011 journey where Castro called Carter a "friend."

. . .

Here's the full statement from Jimmy Carter, issued Saturday by the Atlanta-based Carter Center:

Rosalynn and I share our sympathies with the Castro family and the Cuban people on the death of Fidel Castro. We remember fondly our visits with him in Cuba and his love of his country. We wish the Cuban citizens peace and prosperity in the years ahead.

https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/jimmy-carter-remembers-fidel-castro-fondly/eZJ21pHp8JhMxmAoBylDnN/

Judi Lynn

(160,656 posts)
26. Economist: Why Obama's visit to Cuba is groundbreaking
Mon Dec 12, 2022, 08:58 PM
Dec 2022

What Barack Obama's visit to Cuba
Mar 20th 2016



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By A.B.

HE MAKES quite a warm-up act. The Rolling Stones will play a free concert in Havana on March 25th in front of an expected audience of 400,000. Five days earlier Barack Obama arrived for a short state visit. Whatever he says, whatever he does, this is a momentous trip—the first by a sitting American president since 1928, when Calvin Coolidge sailed from Prohibition-era America for the Pan-American Conference in Havana. Mr Obama can expect a warm welcome in Cuba. According to a poll last year he is more popular than either Raúl Castro, the president, or Fidel, his brother and the father of the Cuban revolution. Many Cubans have spoken of their enthusiasm for the arrival of a mixed-race president in their country, where non-white citizens are in the majority.

The visit pours more balm on a Cuban-American relationship whose troubles stretch back to the start of the 20th century. The island was put under American military occupation at the end of the Spanish-American war, in 1898, and became independent four years later. But it had to grant the Americans the right to intervene militarily whenever they saw fit. It was a right they used to secure possession of a naval base at Guantánamo Bay at the south-eastern tip of the island. American investment in Cuba, particularly in agriculture, grew over the next decades and tourism flourished—until the takeover by Fidel Castro and his communist forces in 1959 changed the relationship dramatically. That same year Fulgencio Batista, the last pre-Castro leader, fled the country. With America’s possessions on the island being nationalised, it broke off diplomatic ties in 1961 and imposed a full trade, economic and financial embargo the following year. The countries settled into a long spell of mutual distrust, and as recently as 1996 America imposed a new piece of legislation, the Helms-Burton Act, to penalise companies investing in Cuba.



In December 2014, however, the situation changed. Mr Obama and Fidel’s relatively reform-minded brother Raúl announced the restoration of diplomatic ties. This process of normalisation has continued with the loosening of some aspects of the trade and travel embargo; the reopening of embassies in Havana and Washington; and Cuba’s removal from America’s list of state sponsors of terrorism. Mr Obama’s visit is an important step in this process. It signals a new beginning to the way the countries relate to each other and has been received in Cuba as an indication that the American government is starting to see the island as an equal rather than a subordinate. The visit delivers a welcome foreign-policy boost to Mr Obama as he nears the end of a term in which his policies have met with unhappiness in places like Syria, Iraq and Libya. By encouraging contact between the governments, businesses and citizens of Cuba and America he ensures that his policy of re-engagement with Cuba should have sufficient momentum to withstand the hostility of a potential successor such as Ted Cruz. Mr Cruz, whose father is from Cuba, has spoken out against Mr Obama’s approach. But with public opinion increasingly backing the rapprochement, any ideas about turning back the normalisation might have to be shelved.

Mr Obama subscribes to the idea that engaging with the Castro regime has a greater chance of encouraging political change on the island than isolating it. The development of more commercial ties, albeit at a painstakingly slow pace, and the continuing growth in the number of American visitors, serves to bind the two economies together. “Everything that has happened in the last 100 years of Cuban-American relations has been bad,” says Antonio Zamora, a veteran of the Bay of Pigs, the CIA’s failed invasion of 1961. “It’s time to start changing things.”

https://archive.ph/fjdly#selection-643.0-676.0

Judi Lynn

(160,656 posts)
29. The Real Reason It's Nearly Impossible to End the Cuba Embargo
Mon Dec 12, 2022, 10:29 PM
Dec 2022

By Peter Kornbluh and William M. LeoGrande

OCTOBER 5, 2014
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. . .

The beginning of Bill Clinton’s presidency marked a change in tone on Cuba policy. Personally, Clinton understood the folly of a hostile U.S. posture toward the island. “Anybody with half a brain could see the embargo was counterproductive,” he later told a confidante in the Oval Office. “It defied wiser policies of engagement that we had pursued with some Communist countries even at the height of the Cold War.”

The Clinton administration’s early initiatives included public assurances that the United States posed no military threat to Cuba—to reinforce the point, U.S. officials began alerting Cuban authorities in advance of routine naval maneuvers near the island and opened low-level discussions on cooperation against narcotics trafficking. U.S. officials also dialed back the anti-Castro rhetoric. In Havana, the Cubans recognized and appreciated the change in tone. “There is less verbal aggression this year in the White House than in the last 12 years,” Raúl Castro told a Mexican reporter. Still, the administration worked overtime to assure the exile community and congressional Republicans that no opening to Cuba would be forthcoming. U.S. policy, stated Richard Nuccio, the Clinton administration’s special advisor on Cuba, was to "maintain the existing embargo, the most comprehensive we have toward any country."

Hard-liners in Congress were not reassured. Senate majority leader and Republican presidential hopeful Robert Dole declared that "all signs point to normalization and secret negotiations with Castro." In September 1995, the House passed legislation co-sponsored by Senator Jesse Helms and Representative Dan Burton that prohibited U.S. assistance to Cuba until the advent of democracy and imposed sanctions against foreign countries and corporations that did business on the island. "It is time to tighten the screws," Senator Helms announced when he first presented the bill to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Congressman Burton predicted that passage would be "the last nail in [Castro's] coffin."

As the Helms-Burton legislation dominated public debate on Cuba policy in the latter half of 1995, a veritable Greek tragedy played out in the skies over Cuba's coast—a tragedy set in motion by repeated incursions into Cuban airspace by a group of Cuban-American pilots known as Brothers to the Rescue (BTTR). Since 1991, the Brothers had been flying search missions for distressed Cuban rafters who had begun to flee Cuba for the U.S. by the hundreds, and then by the thousands, notifying the U.S. Coast Guard whenever a small boat or raft needed rescue.
But despite its humanitarian mission, BTTR's founder and director, José Basulto, had a history of anti-Castro violence. In April 1961, Basulto had, along with some 1,500 Cuban exiles trained by the CIA, participated in the failed Bay of Pigs invasion aimed at overthrowing Castro. In August 1962, he had positioned a boat with a 20mm cannon on its bow just off the coast of Havana and shelled the Hornedo de Rosita hotel, where he and his co-conspirators believed Castro would be dining. "I was trained as a terrorist by the United States, in the use of violence to attain goals," Basulto said in an interview with a documentary filmmaker, but he claimed to have converted to nonviolence. "When I was young, my Hollywood hero was John Wayne. Now I'm like Luke Skywalker. I believe the force is with us."

More:
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/10/the-1996-incident-that-made-it-nearly-impossible-to-repeal-the-cuba-embargo/381107/

former9thward

(32,111 posts)
31. My problem with Cuba is that it harbors American fugitives.
Mon Dec 12, 2022, 10:44 PM
Dec 2022

Including police killers. I have spent time in Cuba (not recently, 1995) and had a wonderful time. But if it wants normal relations with the U.S. then it must do normal things. One of those is to stop giving safe harbor to fugitives.

US fugitives say Cuba reassures them they are safe from extradition

Charles Hill, a black militant wanted in connection with the 1971 slaying of a New Mexico state police officer, told the Associated Press on Friday that Cuban government contacts had recently reassured him he was at no risk of extradition. Nehanda Abiodun, another black militant wanted in a 1981 armored car robbery that left two police offers and a security guard dead, told the AP she had recently received a similar promise.

Cuba is home to dozens of people wanted in the United States on charges ranging from Medicare fraud to killings committed in the name of black and Puerto Rican revolutionary movements in the 1970s and 80s. Cuba has asked the United States to return a smaller number of people, including Luis Posada Carriles, the alleged mastermind of a series of terror attacks against Cuba, including the 1976 bombing of a Cuban airliner that killed all 73 people on board.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/10/us-fugitives-in-cuba-safe-from-extradition

Judi Lynn

(160,656 posts)
32. Clearly there are too many people who've never bothered to learn US/Cuban history.
Mon Dec 12, 2022, 11:50 PM
Dec 2022

It's common sense to know everything you really hear and read from US corporate news services will NOT be telling you much about the more serious actions taken by an enormous country against an island of 9,000,000 people it believes should put the interests of the US citizens first.

It has been the official view by hard-chargers in the US political system that the US should be regarded by everyone south as the border as their automatic ruler, and any failure on their parts should be punished immediately and as severely as possible.

An economic war lasting over 60 years, designed to crush, impoverish, ravage the people would have worked, and driven them to overthrow their new government, just as they had their US-supported murderous, utterly corrupt dictator if they were inclined to do it. They were not.

It wouldn't be too reckless if people took the time to start looking at what has really happened to create these conditions, and discover if they've been full of it all these years concerning US behavior toward Cuba, and how anyone could ever have been maneuvered into believing tiny Cuba has been bullying the handsome, beautiful, hard-working, adorable US, which spends more on its military in one day than Cuba does in a year.

It's comfortable being ignorant, but more appropriate stirring oneself to grow up, and find out what has been going on, as advertiser-dependent simple-minded, craftily spun mass "news" sources will not be doing anyone a lot of good, ordinarily. Why have so few been conscious enough to know this already?

Judi Lynn

(160,656 posts)
33. Terrorism: Made in the U.S.A.
Mon Dec 12, 2022, 11:55 PM
Dec 2022

Hobart Spalding
December 12, 2011

In the ten years since the 9/11 attacks, terrorism has become thoroughly incorporated into the popular vocabulary and a featured subject in all U.S. media. On September 8 alone, The Wall Street Journal referenced no less than seven separate stories involving terrorism on just its front page, only one involving 9/11. Terrorism, for the average person in the United States, is limited to “them” doing something to “us.” This view, however, is historically inaccurate. As the book Voices From the Other Side amply demonstrates, the use of terrorism has formed an integral part of U.S. policy for decades. Award-winning journalist Keith Bolender examines the case of Cuba, shining light on the little-known aspects of the undeclared war that the United States has fostered against the Cuban Revolution since its triumph in 1959.

Bolender has produced a very powerful book. Each chapter is laced with quotes from official documents and testimony from actors from both Cuba and the United States, leaving no doubt to the depth of official and unofficial U.S. involvement in the campaign against the Revolution. The book contains three interrelated strands. The first is a general history of U.S.-Cuban relations with emphasis on the post-revolutionary years. The second describes specific instances of terrorism against Cuba after 1959. The third focuses on the individuals who have been affected by these acts of terror. Together, these strands draw a horrific picture of aggression against Cuban citizens, but also stand as tribute to the resiliency of the human spirit under pain and stress.

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Bolender attempts to answer several questions: Why did these acts occur? What did they hope to accomplish? Where they successful? In the years immediately after the Revolution most terrorism originated from groups still fighting inside the island (known locally as “bandits”) but as the regime consolidated, the locus of terrorism moved to the exile community in Miami where it remains today. Perpetrators received encouragement and financing from the CIA and other official U.S. organisms. Initially, the terrorists hoped to destabilize the government, spark an internal revolt against the new regime, and demonstrate that the Revolution could not govern successfully. When the expected push-back came in the form of increased surveillance and restrictions on civil liberties, critics quickly jumped to point out the supposed totalitarian nature of the regime and its anti-democratic characteristics. Early on, the CIA admitted that these acts of terror were not aimed at defeating the government militarily but at building internal pressures against it. As Bolender explains, this in turn justified increased efforts to overthrow the Revolution.

The cost to Cuba has been considerable not only in resources to combat hostile forces, but also in material losses. Over 800 acts of aggression have been officially documented, killing 3,478 and injuring 2,099 (although actual figures are likely far higher). In order to assess the true impact of terrorism, we must also count the $400 million lost to tobacco disease, the 300,000 persons affected by dengue fever, and the 500,000 pigs that had to be slaughtered when they developed swine flue—all diseases likely introduced from abroad.

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