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Baitball Blogger

(46,775 posts)
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 11:25 AM Dec 2022

Assuming Sinema thought there was going to be a red wave,

did she think she was going to make the switch at a time that the GOP was going to take the Senate?

If so, this move to Independent would have cemented Sinema's power grab had things gone the way most of these midterm elections go. All she really needed was for Warnock to lose in Georgia and she could have stepped over the aisle and handed the Senate to the Republicans, which would have put her in the catbird's seat in 2024, running as a Republican.

Once again, a big thank you to the Georgia voters.

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Assuming Sinema thought there was going to be a red wave, (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Dec 2022 OP
As our senior Senator would say, we worked our 🍑ssoff CottonBear Dec 2022 #1
I don't think she thought she would join the GOP caucus Johnny2X2X Dec 2022 #2
Would she still have her current committees if the Republicans controlled the Senate? Baitball Blogger Dec 2022 #4
She knew last month Johnny2X2X Dec 2022 #14
THIS AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2022 #20
How would her announcement have ruined the Georgia election for Dems? W_HAMILTON Dec 2022 #23
I think the Senate not being up for grabs in GA Johnny2X2X Dec 2022 #24
That's true, but I think the same could be said for Democrats. W_HAMILTON Dec 2022 #25
She is whatever she thinks is best for her at any given moment hatrack Dec 2022 #5
She certainly did NOT campaign for any Arizona Democrats. GreenWave Dec 2022 #3
Who would want her campaigning? AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2022 #6
Nobody would. GreenWave Dec 2022 #7
So people who don't want her campaigning for them AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2022 #8
Nixon's approval rating was higher at the height of Watergate Better Days Ahoy Dec 2022 #9
Where is this 10% coming from? former9thward Dec 2022 #12
It's been widely reported for at least a year AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2022 #17
Kelly's success was proof that an AZ Senator does not have to pander ThoughtCriminal Dec 2022 #10
Kelly did not have that much success. former9thward Dec 2022 #13
Kelly ran the EXACT same campaign that Sinema did AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2022 #18
Yeah, Kelly has to walk a fine line not fooled Dec 2022 #21
always opportunistic llashram Dec 2022 #11
that is my guess. She and moscow Mitch though AZ would go red. republianmushroom Dec 2022 #15
The Arizone GQP doesn't like her any more than the Dems do relayerbob Dec 2022 #16
Big logic holes Wibly Dec 2022 #19
I love that she has torched her own political career Onama Biden Man Dec 2022 #22

CottonBear

(21,597 posts)
1. As our senior Senator would say, we worked our 🍑ssoff
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 11:28 AM
Dec 2022

to re-elect his brother, Reverend Warnock!
🗳🍑🇺🇸💙

Johnny2X2X

(19,240 posts)
2. I don't think she thought she would join the GOP caucus
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 11:29 AM
Dec 2022

She’s still a lot more Dem than GOP. I think it’s with the 2024 primaries in mind. No more, no less.

Baitball Blogger

(46,775 posts)
4. Would she still have her current committees if the Republicans controlled the Senate?
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 11:39 AM
Dec 2022

If she was in danger of losing those committees, I believe she would have made the switch. The Republicans would have probably rewarded her with committee assignments.

And right now the only thing that is keeping her afloat is big money donations from corporations. That isn't a great recipe for success in an election as a Democrat.

Johnny2X2X

(19,240 posts)
14. She knew last month
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 01:26 PM
Dec 2022

This was timed to not ruin the Georgia election for Dems. Yeah, I think she’s looking out for herself, but I also think Schumer was told before hand and had her wait to announce it.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,129 posts)
20. THIS
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 02:10 PM
Dec 2022

Her switch has been anticipated quite a bit in local reporting for the past year. The reaction from Democratic leadership has mostly been "enh," so I think they knew it was coming and also knew she wasn't going to switch caucuses.

She did what she had to do to give herself a shot at reelection.

W_HAMILTON

(7,878 posts)
23. How would her announcement have ruined the Georgia election for Dems?
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 04:23 PM
Dec 2022

If she had announced she was switching to Independent prior to the Georgia runoff, I assume that most Democrats would have taken that to mean that she could no longer be counted on as a Democrat, which would mean that Senate control was up for grabs once again, which should have made Democrats even more motivated to get out and vote.

How do you figure otherwise?

Johnny2X2X

(19,240 posts)
24. I think the Senate not being up for grabs in GA
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 06:44 PM
Dec 2022

Hurt Republicans. They weren’t all that excited about Walker, but would have turned up if the Senate had been on the line.

W_HAMILTON

(7,878 posts)
25. That's true, but I think the same could be said for Democrats.
Mon Dec 12, 2022, 03:26 AM
Dec 2022

Republicans might have been more inclined to vote, but I'm sure there were also some Democrats that sat out knowing that Senate control was not in play. And we have history to point to at how we fare in that state when Senate control is up for grabs, and it favored Democrats in 2020.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,129 posts)
6. Who would want her campaigning?
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 11:57 AM
Dec 2022

Gallego has been all sanctimonious about this, but she’s at 10% popularity and the base hates her. She was a pariah before leaving the party. Who are all these Arizona Democrats who were wanting her endorsement?

GreenWave

(6,790 posts)
7. Nobody would.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 11:59 AM
Dec 2022

But why would that stop her from endorsing anyone?

10% is very low. Is the Plague more popular?

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,129 posts)
8. So people who don't want her campaigning for them
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 12:04 PM
Dec 2022

Are mad she didn’t campaign for them. How deeply unserious…

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,129 posts)
17. It's been widely reported for at least a year
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 01:56 PM
Dec 2022

That she's around 10% with Dems. I don't know what internet "poll" you mean.
Edit: I take that back - I did see some unsourced graphic showing she was unpopular across the board. But I've been seeing the D numbers since pretty much Summer 2021, albeit with higher numbers among Rs and Is.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,050 posts)
10. Kelly's success was proof that an AZ Senator does not have to pander
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 12:38 PM
Dec 2022

to the right to win in this state.

She is not popular with anyone - including independents - and the Republicans that applaud her only for her obstruction will loyally vote for whatever idiot gets the GOP nomination.

former9thward

(32,114 posts)
13. Kelly did not have that much success.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 01:25 PM
Dec 2022

He only got 51% of the vote running against a deeply flawed candidate. No one had even ever heard of Masters before the primary.

If you are in AZ you will note Kelly's commercials constantly attacked Biden "when he's wrong and doesn't get it on the boarder"

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,129 posts)
18. Kelly ran the EXACT same campaign that Sinema did
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 02:00 PM
Dec 2022

And barely beat another flawed candidate. If Republicans run a sane candidate (or at least a not crazy candidate) they win. The idea that Arizona is turning blue is questionable.
I personally don't think Gallego can win statewide, and I find his complaining that Sinema didn't campaign for him to be insincere, especially since I got a fundraising text from him within 15 minutes of Sinema announcing she was leaving the party, asking for money even though he wasn't announcing a run.

not fooled

(5,803 posts)
21. Yeah, Kelly has to walk a fine line
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 02:12 PM
Dec 2022

so as to not turn off the many, many low information AZ voters who would not vote for him if they thought he was too "left."

(I know these people; I live among them, for now. Basically clueless and a lot of Fox watchers.)

llashram

(6,265 posts)
11. always opportunistic
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 12:41 PM
Dec 2022

and as I have watched, extremely compromised by big money donations. She will not change. The big money donates, she owes.

relayerbob

(6,561 posts)
16. The Arizone GQP doesn't like her any more than the Dems do
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 01:51 PM
Dec 2022

She's most likely surrendered any future political office with this move.

Wibly

(613 posts)
19. Big logic holes
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 02:09 PM
Dec 2022

For example, what makes you think her constituents would re-elect her if she jointed the GOP?
Also, if she was going to do that, why wouldn't she just go GOP anyway? It would at least give her resources and support.
I'll tell you why, because she knows she would not be elected as a GOPer!
Time to stop trying to smear and demonize Sinema, and start working to find a suitable and widely respected DEM to run against her in her home seat.
This post real is a baitball, but the ball is soft on logic.

Onama Biden Man

(26 posts)
22. I love that she has torched her own political career
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 02:19 PM
Dec 2022

Had she not behaved like a blatantly corrupt chaotic narcissist, and had she not worked to obstruct major legislation that President Biden tried to pass, her reelection would have been all but guaranteed. She did this to herself. After 2024 her political career will pass into oblivion (though she will likely be a lobbyist and Fox News contributor. It’s what grifters like Sinema and Tulsi Gabbard would do).

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