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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsElon Musk's basic misunderstandings of free speech are a problem for all of us
MSNBCLets start with the so-called Twitter Files. Thursday, we got a second installment of the files courtesy of Bari Weiss. Last week Musk, together with Matt Taibbi, released the first installment: a trove of documents supposedly demonstrating that Twitter had inappropriately suppressed material relating to Hunter Bidens laptop in the run-up to the 2020 presidential election at the request of individuals associated with the Biden campaign. In his own tweets reacting to Taibbis thread, Musk made two claims about the First Amendment. First, he wrote that Twitter acting by itself to suppress free speech is not a 1st amendment violation, but acting under orders from the government to suppress free speech, with no judicial review, is. Second, in response to another tweet about one of Taibbis supposed bombshells, Musk rhetorically asked If this isnt a violation of the Constitutions First Amendment, what is? In both cases, Musks claim is that the Biden campaigns requests to have tweets taken down constituted not just a violation of the First Amendment, but an egregious one. In every possible respect, Musk is dead wrong.
The free speech clause of the First Amendment, like virtually every provision of the Constitution (except the Thirteenth Amendment, prohibiting slavery; and the Eighteenth Amendment, imposing prohibition), applies only to state action. A private business no more violates the First Amendment by banning particular types of speech in its operations than I violate the First Amendment by not allowing particular types of speech in my home. And although some have suggested in recent years that social media platforms, like Twitter, ought to be treated as if they were government actors for purposes of the First Amendment, the Supreme Court, in its one recent chance to endorse that argument, declined to do so. Thus, it is settled law that Twitter, at least acting by itself, cannot violate the First Amendment no matter what it does.
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dalton99a
(81,658 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(5,190 posts)Takket
(21,661 posts)and ASKING twitter to do something is not the same thing as forcing them to
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)While I dont think Twitter should be honoring requests from political campaigns to take stuff down, it is certainly within their right to do so.
I do have issues with the government - state, federal, whatever - asking them or pushing them to take stuff down.
ToxMarz
(2,169 posts)take down nude photos of Hunter, which are a violation of Twitters terms of service for anyone, not just politicians children. I wouldn't paint every request from a campaign so broadly as to be disqualified from consideration.
BootinUp
(47,207 posts)but I won't use twitter to do it.
highplainsdem
(49,081 posts)Which is why many liberals continue to use Twitter, hoping to counter some of the RW propaganda there, as well as maintaining some contact with their followers...though I've seen a lot of reports of people being removed from follower lists when they hadn't unfollowed, and being added to follower lists they hadn't joined.
BootinUp
(47,207 posts)encouraging people not to click on them? I don't think its too different for organizations to use twitter to get clicks. I encourage liberals who are concerned about the direction Musk has taken twitter to abstain from clicking any links posted on twitter.
Mr.Bill
(24,346 posts)on the citizenship test.
Emrys
(7,287 posts)Musk is incredibly America-centric and constantly exposes his ignorance about - or conveniently chooses to ignore - the fact that most Twitter users aren't in the USA, and hence the First Amendment is meaningless for them.
That's not to say that other countries don't have their own attitudes toward and legislation covering freedom of speech, but as in the US, these are tempered by limits.
He's going to run hard up against those limits very soon in Europe and elsewhere, and bleating about the First Amendment will elicit at most shrugs of indifference.
Crowman2009
(2,505 posts)SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)but I believe Elon is estranged from his father (not sure about his mum) so I think he's taking an apartheid stance now as a very delayed rebellion against his upbringing.
House of Roberts
(5,192 posts)Its the SCOTUS understanding of free speech that concerns me.
paleotn
(17,994 posts)Creating a cult following and separating the gullible from their money. Remind you of anyone?
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)Nululu
(842 posts)You see a repeating pattern of comments of his worshippers.