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In It to Win It

(8,299 posts)
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 03:54 PM Dec 2022

Elon Musk's basic misunderstandings of free speech are a problem for all of us

MSNBC


Since his takeover of Twitter, Elon Musk has insisted, over and over again, that one of his major goals for the massive social media platform is to protect free speech on the site. That’s a noble aspiration. The problem is that his behavior increasingly suggests either that he has no idea what that means, or, even worse, he does, and he’s just not being honest. Either way, Musk (and those who have somehow been persuaded that he knows what he’s talking about) could use a crash course in what does — and doesn’t — violate the First Amendment.

Let’s start with the so-called “Twitter Files.” Thursday, we got a second installment of the files courtesy of Bari Weiss. Last week Musk, together with Matt Taibbi, released the first installment: a trove of documents supposedly demonstrating that Twitter had inappropriately suppressed material relating to Hunter Biden’s laptop in the run-up to the 2020 presidential election at the request of individuals associated with the Biden campaign. In his own tweets reacting to Taibbi’s thread, Musk made two claims about the First Amendment. First, he wrote that “Twitter acting by itself to suppress free speech is not a 1st amendment violation, but acting under orders from the government to suppress free speech, with no judicial review, is.” Second, in response to another tweet about one of Taibbi’s supposed bombshells, Musk rhetorically asked “If this isn’t a violation of the Constitution’s First Amendment, what is?” In both cases, Musk’s claim is that the Biden campaign’s requests to have tweets taken down constituted not just a violation of the First Amendment, but an egregious one. In every possible respect, Musk is dead wrong.

The free speech clause of the First Amendment, like virtually every provision of the Constitution (except the Thirteenth Amendment, prohibiting slavery; and the Eighteenth Amendment, imposing prohibition), applies only to “state action.” A private business no more violates the First Amendment by banning particular types of speech in its operations than I violate the First Amendment by not allowing particular types of speech in my home. And although some have suggested in recent years that social media platforms, like Twitter, ought to be treated as if they were government actors for purposes of the First Amendment, the Supreme Court, in its one recent chance to endorse that argument, declined to do so. Thus, it is settled law that Twitter, at least acting by itself, cannot violate the First Amendment no matter what it does.



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Takket

(21,661 posts)
2. worth noting as well that the Bidan CAMPAIGN is NOT the government
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 04:06 PM
Dec 2022

and ASKING twitter to do something is not the same thing as forcing them to

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
8. Exactly
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 06:12 PM
Dec 2022

While I don’t think Twitter should be honoring requests from political campaigns to take stuff down, it is certainly within their right to do so.

I do have issues with the government - state, federal, whatever - asking them or pushing them to take stuff down.

ToxMarz

(2,169 posts)
13. From my undertaking the Biden campaign asked them to
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 06:41 PM
Dec 2022

take down nude photos of Hunter, which are a violation of Twitters terms of service for anyone, not just politicians children. I wouldn't paint every request from a campaign so broadly as to be disqualified from consideration.

highplainsdem

(49,081 posts)
4. Reach. Which none of the newer platforms now trying to rival Twitter have yet.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 04:25 PM
Dec 2022

Which is why many liberals continue to use Twitter, hoping to counter some of the RW propaganda there, as well as maintaining some contact with their followers...though I've seen a lot of reports of people being removed from follower lists when they hadn't unfollowed, and being added to follower lists they hadn't joined.

BootinUp

(47,207 posts)
5. Didn't you just post something about the ads on twitter
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 04:45 PM
Dec 2022

encouraging people not to click on them? I don't think its too different for organizations to use twitter to get clicks. I encourage liberals who are concerned about the direction Musk has taken twitter to abstain from clicking any links posted on twitter.

Emrys

(7,287 posts)
7. For somebody supposedly at the helm of a multinational social media company,
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 05:47 PM
Dec 2022

Musk is incredibly America-centric and constantly exposes his ignorance about - or conveniently chooses to ignore - the fact that most Twitter users aren't in the USA, and hence the First Amendment is meaningless for them.

That's not to say that other countries don't have their own attitudes toward and legislation covering freedom of speech, but as in the US, these are tempered by limits.

He's going to run hard up against those limits very soon in Europe and elsewhere, and bleating about the First Amendment will elicit at most shrugs of indifference.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
16. His parents were both anti-apartheid....
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 06:52 PM
Dec 2022

but I believe Elon is estranged from his father (not sure about his mum) so I think he's taking an apartheid stance now as a very delayed rebellion against his upbringing.

paleotn

(17,994 posts)
11. He's an idiot, with only 2 real talents....
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 06:27 PM
Dec 2022

Creating a cult following and separating the gullible from their money. Remind you of anyone?

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