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applegrove

(118,870 posts)
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 04:00 PM Dec 2022

An 82 yr old women was arrested in Alabama for not paying her trash bill. Yet a 77 yr old man walks

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An 82 yr old women was arrested in Alabama for not paying her trash bill. Yet a 77 yr old man walks free who stole classified documents. Just sayin’



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An 82 yr old women was arrested in Alabama for not paying her trash bill. Yet a 77 yr old man walks (Original Post) applegrove Dec 2022 OP
Rule of law is for the little people. -nt CrispyQ Dec 2022 #1
22 months and counting DoJ republianmushroom Dec 2022 #2
Teflon nt SoCalDavidS Dec 2022 #3
Some kind of plastic anyway world wide wally Dec 2022 #20
Why? DURHAM D Dec 2022 #4
Yes!!! LakeArenal Dec 2022 #5
We have to keep the lower classes under the heel of the law's boot. NCjack Dec 2022 #6
I'm staying in a neighborhood that has a "grass cop". Alwaysna Dec 2022 #7
The ACLU should take this one. I'm sure there's white people in that town who are behind 70sEraVet Dec 2022 #8
Just yesterday I was mocked for suggesting that the law is different for rich people Orrex Dec 2022 #9
Whoever mocked you is blind. There ARE those who are... dchill Dec 2022 #18
Au contraire! Orrex Dec 2022 #23
Hey! Snark is a thing! And a sign of intelligence. dchill Dec 2022 #25
Those for whom the system works will never admit it. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Dec 2022 #19
No she wasn't. She was arrested for failure to appear. masmdu Dec 2022 #10
LOL. Sure. Orrex Dec 2022 #12
How long do you think it would take for Trump to be in cuffs if he didn't show up for a court date? Silent3 Dec 2022 #15
So, the arrest warrant listed failure to appear and not failure to pay a trash bill as the reason... Lancero Dec 2022 #16
But failure to return top secret documents that you ripped off for two years, now that is A-OKAY! onecaliberal Dec 2022 #32
It's possible she didn't have the means to appear. haele Dec 2022 #34
Ignoring courts all the time. That's Trump. Captain Zero Dec 2022 #17
When I lived in a certain new, fast- growing marybourg Dec 2022 #22
If the issue is failure to appear.. Permanut Dec 2022 #11
That is abusive. LiberalFighter Dec 2022 #13
that's the difference between alabama & florida orleans Dec 2022 #14
Is there a gofundme for that woman? ShazzieB Dec 2022 #21
What a lazy rant brooklynite Dec 2022 #24
Your question about the OP's opinion of Garland is, as always, a parlor trick and a distraction Orrex Dec 2022 #28
Say it!!! applegrove Dec 2022 #29
You're right: "countless other bottom-level criminals are brought to justice" brooklynite Dec 2022 #30
+1. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2022 #35
Yes, because The System is fucked in favor of the rich and powerful Orrex Dec 2022 #39
+1. Exactly. N/T FSogol Dec 2022 #31
Gish Gallop? Genki Hikari Dec 2022 #33
+1. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2022 #36
"The problem isn't Garland or the DOJ. It's the system itself. " Orrex Dec 2022 #38
Thanks Orrex. flying_wahini Dec 2022 #37
good point BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 2022 #26
K&R ck4829 Dec 2022 #27

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
6. We have to keep the lower classes under the heel of the law's boot.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 05:35 PM
Dec 2022

Otherwise, the super privileged might get ideas about what they can get away with.

Alwaysna

(574 posts)
7. I'm staying in a neighborhood that has a "grass cop".
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 05:39 PM
Dec 2022

They write tickets if a single blade of grass exceeding 6" or if a passerby threw trash in your yard. They use this to supply the city coffers . Their most likely victims are the elderly, handicapped or single females. One elderly family received a ticket for 3 boxes on their back porch after a kitchen fire.
Penalties can be 6 months in jail.
I wish the former guy could be held fully accountable but I would come closer to getting a bejeweled unicorn for Christmas.

Orrex

(63,247 posts)
9. Just yesterday I was mocked for suggesting that the law is different for rich people
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 05:44 PM
Dec 2022

The important thing is that no one question The System.

Even though Trump is free to whip up his kkkultists into insurrectionist frenzy, The System works, and shame on anyone who thinks otherwise.

Praise be to The System, equal and evan-handed to all, despite tons of obvious and irrefutable proof to the contrary.

dchill

(38,583 posts)
18. Whoever mocked you is blind. There ARE those who are...
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 06:44 PM
Dec 2022

...above the law, however temporarily. They are all around us. This is the main reason that the saying, "Justice delayed is justice denied" is so undeniably true! If certain Congresspersons had been held to account as though they were mere people, they wouldn't have been able to be reelected. But they are untouchable enough. The ripple effect of that fact alone probably cost Democrats the House.

Orrex

(63,247 posts)
23. Au contraire!
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 09:34 PM
Dec 2022

I was told that I don't know how to read, and that I have nothing but snark to bring to the discussion.

dchill

(38,583 posts)
25. Hey! Snark is a thing! And a sign of intelligence.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 09:48 PM
Dec 2022

There are ALL KINDS of reasons for delayed justice. No good ones, though.

masmdu

(2,536 posts)
10. No she wasn't. She was arrested for failure to appear.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 05:47 PM
Dec 2022

Deputies we're activated for failure to appear. Nobody will be arrested for not paying a bill but the will be for ignoring the court.

Orrex

(63,247 posts)
12. LOL. Sure.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 06:09 PM
Dec 2022
Nobody will be arrested for not paying a bill but they will be for ignoring the court.

Silent3

(15,423 posts)
15. How long do you think it would take for Trump to be in cuffs if he didn't show up for a court date?
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 06:19 PM
Dec 2022

Just deciding whether he should be charged for failure to appear would be dragged out for months, and actually slapping the cuffs on... from a year to never.

Lancero

(3,017 posts)
16. So, the arrest warrant listed failure to appear and not failure to pay a trash bill as the reason...
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 06:31 PM
Dec 2022

For her arrest?

https://thehill.com/homenews/3759483-you-ought-to-be-ashamed-82-year-old-alabama-woman-says-arrest-over-77-trash-bill-was-unjust-unnecessary/

The citation advised Ms. Menefield that she was to appear in court on September 7, 2022, in reference to this case. A warrant for Failure to Pay-Trash was issued when she did not appear in court.”


Huh... Weird. According to this article, the warrant was for failure to pay. Care to share your alternative source that claims the warrant was for failure to appear?

haele

(12,686 posts)
34. It's possible she didn't have the means to appear.
Mon Dec 12, 2022, 01:12 PM
Dec 2022

No car, limited public transportation, no one she knew who could take her to the courthouse on the date and time on her summons.

Not to mention the other issue; if she didn't have the means to pay $77 plus court fees.
Someone on SSI is typically living hand to mouth.

Haele

marybourg

(12,645 posts)
22. When I lived in a certain new, fast- growing
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 07:35 PM
Dec 2022

suburb of Albuquerque, N.M., the private trash collection company had been "given the status of a city agency" and the right to issue summonses to residents who disputed their trash bills.

Residents who ignored the pseudo summonses were unceremoniously dragged off to the contract hoosegow. True story. Fortunately, another lawyer stepped forward to end these shenanigans soon after I moved in and heard about it and I didn't have to. l bored people for years with my hard-to-believe but true New Mexico stories after I decamped to AZ.

Permanut

(5,671 posts)
11. If the issue is failure to appear..
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 06:00 PM
Dec 2022

Let's consider Mango Mussolini's response to the subpoena from the Jan 6 committee .

ShazzieB

(16,590 posts)
21. Is there a gofundme for that woman?
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 06:53 PM
Dec 2022

I would gladly help pay her trash bill, but the tweet doesn't mention her name, so I can't even search for info about her!

EDITED TO ADD: I see that some helpful souls have posted info identifying her. Thanks, 70sEraVet and Lancero!

brooklynite

(94,858 posts)
24. What a lazy rant
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 09:37 PM
Dec 2022

"Walks" implies that DOJ is letting Trump get off, rather than taking the time to create a case that will get a conviction.

Tell us: do you subscribe to "Garland is an Institutionalist"; "Garland is being blackmailed"; Garland is being bribed"; or "Garland is being threatened"? (all of which have been suggested here).

Special Counsel Smith speeds ahead on criminal probes surrounding Trump

Newly-appointed special counsel Jack Smith is moving fast on a pair of criminal probes around Donald Trump that in recent months have focused on the former president’s state of mind after the 2020 election, including what he knew about plans to impede the transfer of power, people familiar with the matter tell CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/11/politics/jack-smith-special-counsel-high-profile-moves-trump-criminal-investigations
/

Orrex

(63,247 posts)
28. Your question about the OP's opinion of Garland is, as always, a parlor trick and a distraction
Mon Dec 12, 2022, 11:33 AM
Dec 2022

Last edited Mon Dec 12, 2022, 02:55 PM - Edit history (1)

It makes absolutely no difference if the OP or anyone else thinks that--in your words--"Garland is an Institutionalist," "Garland is being blackmailed," Garland is being bribed," or "Garland is being threatened," because none of those is relevant. You are reframing your opponent's opinion for your own convenience.

Beyond that, you and others of similar mind LOVE to draw dubiously justified inferences and then howl about these as if they were stated explicitly by the OP. And the punchline is that you really seem to think that no one can spot this obvious tactic!

The issue is that Trump has faced no criminal consequences for acts committed over years, while countless other bottom-level "criminals" are "brought to justice" with great dispatch. The OP is simply pointing this out, rightly noting that our esteemed legal system bends over backwards to accommodate the wealthy and powerful.

If you're inclined at this point to ask if I've spoken with Garland, as you have asked before, spare me. That question is another attempt at distraction.

If you're inclined at this point to Gish-gallop me with a laundry list of wealthy criminals who've been punished, spare me. That ploy is another attempt at distraction.


When Trump is indicted, most of these objections will go away. Until Trump is indicted, all of these objections are natural and understandable and legitimate, even if you and others of similar mind can't possibly bear a differing viewpoint.

brooklynite

(94,858 posts)
30. You're right: "countless other bottom-level criminals are brought to justice"
Mon Dec 12, 2022, 12:14 PM
Dec 2022

...because the crimes they're involved in are infinitely simpler to investigate and prosecute, compared to prosecution of a current or former President. More than a year ago, AG Garland publicly laid out the methodical process he and DOJ would follow, and that's the path they've taken, no matter how much the armchair prosecutors in the blogosphere are convinced that there's already an ironclad case that will get a conviction from a jury of citizens who don't hang out here or in political discussion groups.

Orrex

(63,247 posts)
39. Yes, because The System is fucked in favor of the rich and powerful
Mon Dec 12, 2022, 03:21 PM
Dec 2022

That same line of crap is how the IRS justifies predatory auditing of low- and middle-income families while multi-billion dollar corporations freely abuse the tax code past the breaking point.

Every now and then a corporation is taken to task, and the fine it pays is a small fraction of the profit it raked in through its abuses. Meanwhile families lose homes along with thousands of dollars that they don't have.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
33. Gish Gallop?
Mon Dec 12, 2022, 01:04 PM
Dec 2022

That's rich, coming from the crowd that makes up whatever law or process they like to get the orange scumbag into jail. I want him there myself, but I recognize the realities of how our injustice system works.

So many of the "do it now!" types think that Garland can just go down to Mar-a-Lago, arrest Hair Furor, indict him, put him on trial, and then convict, sentence and imprison him. He can't. He doesn't have the authority to do it, or even the authority to dictate 99% of it. A whole bunch of other people have to get involved to get any of that done.

Like a grand jury. Only they can indict someone in the federal system. If they won't do that, then there's no trial, and Garland can do exactly zero about that.

Our system is awful--I grant you that, it's too slow, the process is a mindnumbing, emotion-crushing gauntlet, but one of the GOOD things about it is that we have no sole authority for who to put on trial--or in prison. As much of that process as possible is given to the people to have a say. Like with grand juries. Or with juries for trials. It may not always work perfectly, but it's a lot better than one person making all of those decisions.

Do you really want to live under a system where an AG Garland (or Barr) has the power to arrest, charge and indict people--solely on the authority of the office?

It seems that too many people not only think that's how the system operates, but also WANT it to work that way. Little do they know that if it did, our system would be even more corrupt than it is now. It's already corrupt enough without judicial authority concentrated in the hands of fewer people, never mind one, thanks very much.

So while I understand the frustration with what's taking so long, and the pessimism that nothing will be done (the rich have always gotten more than a fair shake in our corrupt system), I realize how futile it is to get worked up about the process. It is what it is. I learned that first hand when I had the feds representing my interests in a criminal trial. You think two years is bad? I was looking at three or more to get justice, and I was a victim of a violent crime.

Know where whining about that delay got me?

Nowhere, that's where. The system did what it wanted, and didn't give one rat's patootie what I thought (or tried to do) about it.

But I eventually got justice, even if I had to compromise to get it (accept a plea deal). I didn't want to compromise, but, sometimes, there are things more important than getting what you think you want. In my case, I needed the closure, however imperfect, so I could move on with my life, rather than being chained to that kind of trauma for years on end. That would have hurt me more in the long run than maybe getting the justice I wanted...or, worse, getting something worse than none at all.

Are YOU willing to accept that you might have to compromise to get the justice you think you deserve here? Or will you insist on going for broke? What happens if you get the worst result imaginable: Finally getting that trial you want, only to have a jury NOT convict? You do realize the odds are uncomfortably high that a jury won't convict TFG, or will end in a hung jury...right?

Think you're mad about "not getting justice" now? Imagine how you'd feel after a hung jury or a not guilty verdict. Plenty of guilty people have gotten one of those results, thanks to money enabling them to buy the kind of lawyers who can throw just enough dirt in the gears to break a jury.

The problem isn't Garland or the DOJ. It's the system itself. From the beginning, it's operated to cause the least pain to the rich and powerful. Because they were the ones who created the system and have propped it up to keep doing exactly that, since the beginning of the republic.

If you want that to change, get involved with an ACLU or Brennan or any of the other groups fighting for a better justice system. Because what's going on now will keep happening until something is done to change the foundations of the system itself.

Orrex

(63,247 posts)
38. "The problem isn't Garland or the DOJ. It's the system itself. "
Mon Dec 12, 2022, 03:18 PM
Dec 2022

No shit. That is exactly the complaint that's been made here since the beginning. The system isn't broken; it's doing exactly what it was designed to do.

Some, however, demand that we maintain faith in The System, and they seem unable to tolerate having The System's flaws articulated explicitly. In response they demean, insult, belittle and condescend to those who express frustration that the system is built to protect and favor the rich and powerful.

That's rich, coming from the crowd that makes up whatever law or process they like to get the orange scumbag into jail. I want him there myself, but I recognize the realities of how our injustice system works.
No one has done this in any substantive way, and venting frustration is not a serious call for prosecution based on ad hoc laws. In fact, it is disingenuous of you to raise this objection because you can't seriously believe that anyone has called for summary prosecution based on imaginary laws.

Hell, I've many times called for Trump to be catapulted into an active volcano. Perhaps I should bear in mind that some readers might take this as a formal petition to the courts.
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