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babylonsister

(171,104 posts)
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 07:31 PM Dec 2022

Even For Chuck Todd, Arguing Against A Criminal Referral Of Trump Is A New Low

https://www.politicususa.com/2022/12/11/even-for-chuck-todd-arguing-against-a-criminal-referral-of-trump-is-a-new-low.html
Posted on Sun, Dec 11th, 2022 by Jason Easley
Even For Chuck Todd, Arguing Against A Criminal Referral Of Trump Is A New Low


Chuck Todd said that he could argue both sides of a Trump criminal referral, but he only argued why Trump should not be referred for prosecution.



Transcript via Meet The Press:

PREET BHARARA:
Well, look, it is not their role to make a criminal case, although they’re making a referral. And if you look into the debate, what the value and virtue is of making a criminal referral–

CHUCK TODD:
I can argue both sides of that, good or bad.

PREET BHARARA:
I mean, to me, it’s largely symbolic because at the time we first started having this debate about a referral, it wasn’t clear how far along the Justice Department was. Since then, the Justice Department has appointed a special counsel, as we mentioned. And they had a lot of staff they’ve added to the matter. And they’re far along, and they’ve issued subpoenas that we’ve heard reports about. So they’re investigating this thing anyway.

CHUCK TODD:
Do you think that criminal report actually complicates things more than it helps?

PREET BHARARA:
I don’t think it complicates things. I actually don’t think it does anything for the Justice Department. I don’t think it prompts them to do anything more quickly or more aggressively.

CHUCK TODD:
But it doesn’t add negatively to the political stew? The word you don’t want to use.

PREET BHARARA:
You could argue that. I don’t know why they feel the need to do it. I think they want to make a statement for themselves. I think it has no impact on the Justice Department whatsoever.


Donald Trump tried to overthrow the United States government, and Chuck Todd is worried about adding negativity to the ‘stew’ by referring the former president for prosecution.

It is almost like Todd is incapable of seeing that there should be consequences for trying to overthrow the government, and a criminal referral is not the same thing as an attempted coup.


The corporate media chronically fails the nation and the American people on the issue of democracy, but Chuck Todd’s false equivalence is a special level of failure that helps to endanger American democracy.
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Even For Chuck Todd, Arguing Against A Criminal Referral Of Trump Is A New Low (Original Post) babylonsister Dec 2022 OP
Classic apologist. no_hypocrisy Dec 2022 #1
...for NBC executives calling the shots. See him as a bot with a neural implant so CEOs control. Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2022 #13
The referrals my be only symbolic at this point, but they are the fulfillment of the duties of panader0 Dec 2022 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Baked Potato Dec 2022 #3
It will be a typical Republican "Tails I win, heads you lose," deal. rsdsharp Dec 2022 #4
Toad can and does say the stupidest things. So the DOJ put a special counsel in place the likes PortTack Dec 2022 #5
Thank you for reminding me why I never feel the need to watch Chuck Todd. skylucy Dec 2022 #6
Does he have the ability to use logic? LiberalFighter Dec 2022 #7
There is nothing even slightly amiss about Chuck Todd's remarks. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #8
Jennifer Rubin had the same line of bullshit today. CanonRay Dec 2022 #9
I wish Preet had asked Todd, "When and where did you get your legal degree?" FakeNoose Dec 2022 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #11
How so? Bharara was largely in agreement. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #12
Chuck Todd couldn't pour piss out of a boot maxrandb Dec 2022 #14
Referrals would give defense attorneys ammo for jury nullification Fiendish Thingy Dec 2022 #15
It is time to fire Chuck Todd LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #16
I've looked at life from both sides now. Both sides now. Yoyoyo77 Dec 2022 #17
Preet Bharara basically agreed with Todd. onenote Dec 2022 #18

panader0

(25,816 posts)
2. The referrals my be only symbolic at this point, but they are the fulfillment of the duties of
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 07:39 PM
Dec 2022

the J-6 committee. After all they have done, they needed to make referrals to wrap this up. They
have discovered real evidence and will now say by whom.
PS fuck Chuck.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

rsdsharp

(9,223 posts)
4. It will be a typical Republican "Tails I win, heads you lose," deal.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 07:46 PM
Dec 2022

If they make a referral they’ll call it political. If they don’t, they say they must not have found wrong doing.

Prosecute the bastard! And his minions!

PortTack

(32,813 posts)
5. Toad can and does say the stupidest things. So the DOJ put a special counsel in place the likes
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 07:58 PM
Dec 2022

of Smith and toad thinks their going to sit on their hands and not indict him??

Ya…you go right ahead toad and do your two siderism shit…Good gawd what an idiot he is

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
8. There is nothing even slightly amiss about Chuck Todd's remarks.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 09:04 PM
Dec 2022

Referrals by the J6 Committee--a body dominated by Democrats (to take nothing away from the fine contributions by Cheney and Kinsinger)--which I support, do have a side-effect of interjecting an appearance of partisanship into what is already a complicated situation.

Not recognizing the truth of that would amount to reality-denialism.

To repeat: I support making these referrals.

FakeNoose

(32,841 posts)
10. I wish Preet had asked Todd, "When and where did you get your legal degree?"
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 09:09 PM
Dec 2022

This is a slap in the face to such a distinguished career prosecutor as Preet Bharara.



Response to FakeNoose (Reply #10)

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
12. How so? Bharara was largely in agreement.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 09:15 PM
Dec 2022
PREET BHARARA: You could argue that. ["that" being a referral would mean "adding to the political stew"].

I don’t know why they feel the need to do it. I think they want to make a statement for themselves. I think it has no impact on the Justice Department whatsoever.

maxrandb

(15,373 posts)
14. Chuck Todd couldn't pour piss out of a boot
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 09:55 PM
Dec 2022

if the directions were on the bottom.

He makes a much sense as a Football Bat.

Chuck Todd is the kind of person that would see a turd laying on the floor, and would try to tell you that you could pick it up by the clean end.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,690 posts)
15. Referrals would give defense attorneys ammo for jury nullification
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 10:35 PM
Dec 2022

I don’t agree with Todd about the risk of poisoning the “political stew” for voters, or the general public, but referrals could be used by defense attorneys to plant seeds in the minds of jurors increasing the chances of jury nullification (jury ignoring evidence and instructions and acquitting or ending up hung). In the absence of criminal referrals from congress, that is a much more difficult seed to germinate.

That said, I do think the committee should make criminal referral if there is any evidence supporting charges of perjury or witness tampering/intimidation, as those are directly related to the committee’s investigative process.

Otherwise, I think the committee should let the transcripts, evidence, and final report speak for themselves. The DOJ will have access to it all.

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