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Can Ralph Norman be charged with sedition for calling for martial law to Mark Meadows? (Original Post) JohnSJ Dec 2022 OP
Probably not, but maybe obstructing an official proceeding, 18 U.S.C. § 1512(c)(2). Ocelot II Dec 2022 #1
It seems there are a good number of them in the new Congress. If it is Obstruction of an official JohnSJ Dec 2022 #2
Not So Fast DET Dec 2022 #4
I'm aware of the case, but we'll have to see where it goes. Other judges Ocelot II Dec 2022 #5
At the very least....... MyOwnPeace Dec 2022 #3
Nobody will be charged with anything. Kablooie Dec 2022 #6

Ocelot II

(115,933 posts)
1. Probably not, but maybe obstructing an official proceeding, 18 U.S.C. § 1512(c)(2).
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 12:38 AM
Dec 2022

The relevant subsection reads:

(c) Whoever corruptly—

(1) alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or other object, or attempts to do so, with the intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding; or
(2) otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

The term "official proceeding" is defined in 18 U.S.C. § 1515(a)(1) to include proceedings before federal judges, Congress, federal government agencies, and regulators of insurance businesses.


Seditious conspiracy will be harder to prove; it's plotting "to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States."

JohnSJ

(92,489 posts)
2. It seems there are a good number of them in the new Congress. If it is Obstruction of an official
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 12:42 AM
Dec 2022

proceeding, then I hope they go for it

DET

(1,329 posts)
4. Not So Fast
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 01:16 AM
Dec 2022

Not a lawyer, but it appears that the use of the statute concerning obstruction of an official proceeding to prosecute participants in the January 6 insurrection is being contested. A Trump appointed district judge has ruled that it cannot. This was appealed to the DC circuit court of appeals where two Trump appointed judges and one Biden appointed judge will rule on the case. Arguments were presented today. I haven’t followed it closely, but they appear to be haggling over the interpretation of the meaning of the statute. The outcome of this case would seem to have a huge potential impact on prosecution of the January 6 defendants. So sick of this crap.

Ocelot II

(115,933 posts)
5. I'm aware of the case, but we'll have to see where it goes. Other judges
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 01:22 AM
Dec 2022

have said it applies.

MyOwnPeace

(16,946 posts)
3. At the very least.......
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 12:50 AM
Dec 2022

have to stay after school and write 'Martial' 100 times - and then explain how 'Martial' is NOT 'Marshall'.......

Oh, and Empty Greene should be there with him........

Kablooie

(18,645 posts)
6. Nobody will be charged with anything.
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 02:45 AM
Dec 2022

There has to be such overwhelming, black and white evidence for the DOJ to bring any charges that nothing will ever live up to that standard.

Forget about it. This info can only affect public opinion, if that.

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