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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,356 posts)
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 03:17 PM Dec 2022

Walmart rolled out self-checkout to streamline operations and reduce labor - but employees and

customers say it's causing a surge in thefts

Walmart's CEO has warned that the retailer may need to close down stores due to theft – but many of the company's customers and employees blame one growing feature of the store for enabling shoplifting: self-checkout.

Walmart CEO and President Doug McMillon told CNBC earlier this month that theft "is higher than what it has historically been" and there will be consequences "if that is not corrected over time." Since McMillon made those comments, more than 100 Walmart customers and former and current employees reached out to an Insider reporter imploring the retailer to rely less on self-checkout.

"They need to hire cashiers again and do away with so many self-checkout," said Mindy Stanley, a Walmart customer from Ashland, Kentucky. "I'd say they are losing so much due to that."

To be sure, Walmart still utilizes cashiers at stores across the nation. But the Bentonville, Arkansas-based retail giant, like so many other retailers, has increasingly relied on automation as a means of improving customer experience and reducing labor cost.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/walmart-rolled-out-self-checkout-to-streamline-operations-and-reduce-labor-but-employees-and-customers-say-it-s-causing-a-surge-in-thefts/ar-AA15dnDN

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Walmart rolled out self-checkout to streamline operations and reduce labor - but employees and (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2022 OP
Who'd a thunk it? nt Atticus Dec 2022 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Atticus Dec 2022 #2
All This Means Is... ProfessorGAC Dec 2022 #3
"Improve customer experience "? central scrutinizer Dec 2022 #4
Me, too. How in the hell babylonsister Dec 2022 #19
Wal*Mart has created a profit center, banking on people making mistakes or shorting the sale. TheBlackAdder Dec 2022 #5
When I was a kid a local Cumberland Farms burned down in a fire and the whole place smelled like a ZonkerHarris Dec 2022 #8
How do they do this? Extort them into purchasing extras Hortensis Dec 2022 #9
Threat of a criminal record if they don't pay a fine. Five-O is there quite often. TheBlackAdder Dec 2022 #10
That's not the way it works. What you're describing would be Hortensis Dec 2022 #11
I guess I'm still running on Wal*Mart V1.2 Loss Prevention software. TheBlackAdder Dec 2022 #12
Yes. Note that that ENDED and didn't last long, a judge Hortensis Dec 2022 #26
And what's the deal with closed self check-out lanes? ThoughtCriminal Dec 2022 #6
I'd like them to go heavy on arrest and prosecution. Hortensis Dec 2022 #7
I never use self checkout .. ever littlewolf Dec 2022 #13
Do you gas up your own car or go to full service stations? Kaleva Dec 2022 #15
in my area there are no full service stations ... littlewolf Dec 2022 #16
Times change. I don't think self checkout can be stopped Kaleva Dec 2022 #17
your prob right ... but I can fight it as long as I can. :D littlewolf Dec 2022 #18
That you can! Kaleva Dec 2022 #21
Costco has self checkout. Genki Hikari Dec 2022 #24
Have other retailers with self checkout experienced the same thing? Kaleva Dec 2022 #14
Yes, in fact I heard that Wegman's is eliminating self-check due to high theft volume wishstar Dec 2022 #23
You need really tight control to get it to work Genki Hikari Dec 2022 #25
I agree Kaleva Dec 2022 #27
The HEB near my house limits the number to 10 items LeftInTX Dec 2022 #32
When I go to the grocery store...and it doesn't have self check out... Xolodno Dec 2022 #20
It's not theft - they are simply paying for my labor DenaliDemocrat Dec 2022 #22
I understand this bothers a lot of people ripcord Dec 2022 #28
Self-checkout's made much smaller impact since 1986 Torchlight Dec 2022 #29
I love all these righteous stands against self checkout BannonsLiver Dec 2022 #30
Now it has become wait forever in self+checkout as machines and people JCMach1 Dec 2022 #38
When businesses are too cheap to pay even low wage workers iemanja Dec 2022 #31
WalMart now has a greeter who checks bags on the way out. LeftInTX Dec 2022 #33
It's worse today because employees other than AP Mosby Dec 2022 #34
I don't know what AP stands for, but I get what you're saying LeftInTX Dec 2022 #35
Asset protection. Mosby Dec 2022 #36
Update on my grocery store (HEB) LeftInTX Dec 2022 #37

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

ProfessorGAC

(65,319 posts)
3. All This Means Is...
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 03:32 PM
Dec 2022

...their pricing model included shrink that was less than they're experiencing.
They knew full well that dominating with self check stations would increase theft. They just raised prices to accommodate.
But, they underestimated.
Which also means somebody got a big bonus for this cost saving move, but they won't be giving it back after this.

TheBlackAdder

(28,237 posts)
5. Wal*Mart has created a profit center, banking on people making mistakes or shorting the sale.
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 03:51 PM
Dec 2022

.

Their AI cameras catch this and the person checking receipts is alerted to check it for accuracy.

Then they shake down the person, sort of like the way Cumberland Farms used to do it in the past.

.

ZonkerHarris

(24,279 posts)
8. When I was a kid a local Cumberland Farms burned down in a fire and the whole place smelled like a
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 05:29 PM
Dec 2022

burning cigarette when it happened.
They sold a lot of tobacco

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. How do they do this? Extort them into purchasing extras
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 05:31 PM
Dec 2022

or have the police called?

I don't understand how this carefully designed racket would exist alongside the problem of theft so serious they're considering shutting some stores down. Wouldn't those be especially profitable "shake-down" centers?

TheBlackAdder

(28,237 posts)
10. Threat of a criminal record if they don't pay a fine. Five-O is there quite often.
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 05:53 PM
Dec 2022

.

This put the onus of checking and selecting the right product onto the customer.

If you pick the wrong fruit or vegetable, improperly weigh or scan, it's your ass.


Wal*Mart purposely short-staffs the registers to force people to use self-serve checkouts.

.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. That's not the way it works. What you're describing would be
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 06:47 PM
Dec 2022

very illegal, to say the least, and it'd be easy for federal prosecutors to establish a pattern in a chain as huge as Walmart, perhaps qualifying for racketeering charges.

Loss prevention/mitigation is a huge expense for stores, but they're forced to pursue it.

Walmart does report clear shoplifting to the police (but evidently this needs to be done more). But what happens then is up to local law enforcement, not Walmart.

As for the wrongful reporting, that mistake by retail staff can cause big problems, serious costs, and always LOSSES of profit. No gain, no possible win. It's certainly NOT a carefully designed racket to prey on self-checkers and extort payment for not reporting to the police. No idea just how many serious laws a criminal conspiracy like that would break, but a lot!

But MORE, it's just a huge mistake to imagine there even could be profit in preying on customers and losing their business permanently. How about the blow-back from both consumer comunities at large on learning a store was a hostile agent extorting its customers AND from state and federal agencies? And, of course, there'd be not just the large, routine costs of carrying out this racket but also legal costs from those customers who do a lot more than just walk away. Watchdog and civil rights organizations, Adder?

As for "fines," you're referring to civil demand letters for restitution of damanges, which may include some reimbursement of administrative costs. Apparently there's usually little or no effort to collect on them. But in any case, this is not a shake-down to avoid a crirminal record. At this point it's already reported to the police.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. Yes. Note that that ENDED and didn't last long, a judge
Wed Dec 14, 2022, 03:02 AM
Dec 2022

rightly saying it rose to extortion.

Of course, let's not forget the thieves and their thefts. No thieving, no attempts by the owner of the stolen items to discourage further thefts.

Speaking of, it's Christmas-theft-from-us time. Since a box containing presents for us, including a pair of antique bookends that had said "Mom!" to our daughter, was stolen from our porch a couple Decembers ago, our family always notifies each other to watch for, and ideally be present for, presents on their way.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,050 posts)
6. And what's the deal with closed self check-out lanes?
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 05:08 PM
Dec 2022

I've seen long lines at self-checkout while half the self-check lanes are "closed".

Okay I understand some downtime for maintenance, but this happens all the time.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. I'd like them to go heavy on arrest and prosecution.
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 05:25 PM
Dec 2022

And banning thieves from stores.

The trick is how to do it while maintaining the level of courtesy and respect honest customers expect.

littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
13. I never use self checkout .. ever
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 07:27 PM
Dec 2022

that is someones job ... Sam's club is the same way ...
I stand in line ... don't know if Cosco is like that or not ...

Kaleva

(36,372 posts)
17. Times change. I don't think self checkout can be stopped
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 07:33 PM
Dec 2022

Like self service at gas stations couldn't be stopped.

Kaleva

(36,372 posts)
14. Have other retailers with self checkout experienced the same thing?
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 07:28 PM
Dec 2022

Target and Meijer's have self checkout.

wishstar

(5,272 posts)
23. Yes, in fact I heard that Wegman's is eliminating self-check due to high theft volume
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 08:44 PM
Dec 2022

In my area, Target and Aldi only changed to self-check earlier this year.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
25. You need really tight control to get it to work
Wed Dec 14, 2022, 01:34 AM
Dec 2022

The way I saw Wal-Mart doing it was ripe for ripoff. It was all set up just like their normal checkout, just without cashiers. That's begging to be robbed.

Last time I went to an H-E-B market in Texas, they had the right idea: They herded people into a roped off area for the self-checkout registers, and they had at least one employee there to "assist" shoppers. In reality, most of the "assistant's" job entails watching for fake scans, people pocketing/hiding product, and all the rest. They also check the purchases in the bags against the receipts. You don't leave the roped-off area without that person letting you pass.

Don't know if H-E-B still does it, or if it was a pilot program type of thing, but an employee there told my husband the new setup reduced the store's losses by a significant percentage.

LeftInTX

(25,679 posts)
32. The HEB near my house limits the number to 10 items
Wed Dec 14, 2022, 02:08 PM
Dec 2022

I think this is mostly true with most HEBs.

I also don't think the self-check has scales. (I've only used it once)

Also, HEB has totally different merch than WalMart. Their most commonly lifted item is cosmetics.

Xolodno

(6,408 posts)
20. When I go to the grocery store...and it doesn't have self check out...
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 08:04 PM
Dec 2022

...I often put the eggs in the "child seat". Every so often, I forget to put it on the belt, but the cashier catches it and mentions it. "I'll say sorry, I missed that" and he or she will respond "no worries, happens a lot".

The Target nearby has self checkout and I use it sometimes, but when I just have a couple of items and the number of machines are limited, I don't think I've ever seen anyone in that area with more than a dozen items. The Wal-Mart on the other hand has a two huge sections of the self checkout machines and one person trying to police it all and people with large carts because they only have a couple manned registers opened with huge lines. Thus I seldom go there. I actually use their pick-up service when I have a lot to get and have little time, otherwise, I just go to the grocery store since they often have better quality.

 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
28. I understand this bothers a lot of people
Wed Dec 14, 2022, 11:42 AM
Dec 2022

What I don't understand is why they just don't shop someplace else that has cashiers, Walmart is not a right.

Torchlight

(3,388 posts)
29. Self-checkout's made much smaller impact since 1986
Wed Dec 14, 2022, 11:44 AM
Dec 2022

than I had thought it would.

15 years ago, I'd guessed it would be The Next Big Thing, but throughout the industry, its impact has remained in the corner, and it may be that given human nature, it's simply not the cost-benefit breakthrough once hoped for and will be relegated to just another small tool in the corner at their disposal.

BannonsLiver

(16,539 posts)
30. I love all these righteous stands against self checkout
Wed Dec 14, 2022, 01:34 PM
Dec 2022

For me though it’s an easy call. Do I want to stand behind three people with overflowing, buckling carts full of crap while they break out the coupons and dispute prices on several items causing delays, or do I want to quickly scan my 15 or 20 items and GTFO of the store? I guess some folks just like standing there from reading the thread. Better you than me!

JCMach1

(27,582 posts)
38. Now it has become wait forever in self+checkout as machines and people
Sat Dec 17, 2022, 11:12 AM
Dec 2022

Fail...

Hell, no... I refuse to use self checkout and avoid stores that rely on it too much.

LeftInTX

(25,679 posts)
33. WalMart now has a greeter who checks bags on the way out.
Wed Dec 14, 2022, 02:34 PM
Dec 2022

They got rid of the greeter for about 15 years or so, but now it seems the greeter is back.

I think shoplifting at WalMart has numerous causes. 24 hour stores were a factor. (Unfortunately, they got rid of those)
They just seem to have poor security overall and also poorer than average investment.

Let's face it: What can you say about a place that doesn't maintain their shopping carts???
WalMart has never had carry out and that's another factor too.

Mosby

(16,394 posts)
34. It's worse today because employees other than AP
Wed Dec 14, 2022, 02:45 PM
Dec 2022

Can't stop shoplifters. Shoplifters know this, so they just walk out with merchandise sometimes.

LeftInTX

(25,679 posts)
35. I don't know what AP stands for, but I get what you're saying
Wed Dec 14, 2022, 02:49 PM
Dec 2022

Way back in the 80s my MIL was working at a store and just let a shoplifter "go" because she didn't want to "get involved".

Mosby

(16,394 posts)
36. Asset protection.
Wed Dec 14, 2022, 03:07 PM
Dec 2022

It's not about wanting to get involved, you will be fired if you try to stop a shoplifter, its strictly a AP and management function now.

LeftInTX

(25,679 posts)
37. Update on my grocery store (HEB)
Sat Dec 17, 2022, 05:10 AM
Dec 2022

They have a self-checkout area. They had a "bagger" or "cashier" (young person) and a security guard (older guy) working in the self checkout area tonight. The guard was closely watching every shopper and every item. (Yet was able to stand a distance) Since HEB is a grocery store, they don't carry the same type of items as WalMart. (Cosmetics are the number one thing stolen). I feel they are being proactive.

Self checkout is limited to 10 items.

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