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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe fake electors scheme is the one that blows me away
And people in states actually signed their names to fake elector rolls that would be sent into the Fed archives? How stupid is that? That's called forgery, among other things.
bucolic_frolic
(43,511 posts)Chainfire
(17,757 posts)Yet, two years later...
mobeau69
(11,169 posts)See Crime and Punishment.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)believe they'd be writing the history books and arranging for arrests. Of those who'd tried to stop them, of course.
canetoad
(17,217 posts)They must have truly believed the scheme would work and they would be heroes. It will be nice to see them sent down.
ancianita
(36,237 posts)And why Judge Luttig said so. Not to mention all the lawyers who conspired to break that law. Including congress people.
Wounded Bear
(58,792 posts)Hell, the Constitution doesn't even mention having popular elections for the Presidency. That's kind of assumed and all the states do it. The current law concerning Presidential elections is from the 1870's and has some glaring holes in it. It certainly needs updating and upgrading.
The fake electors scheme as they attempted it is illegal in a couple of ways, as you point out. I fear that there are "legal" ways to circumvent the intent of the Constitution that need to be legislated away.
mobeau69
(11,169 posts)See An Economic Interpretation of The Constitution by Charles and Mary Baird.
Wounded Bear
(58,792 posts)but he was a slave owner, so hardly perfect. He wasn't involved with writing the Constitution, either.
The two major camps were Hamilton and Madison, and neither were really enamored with the common man.
mobeau69
(11,169 posts)Lucky Luciano
(11,267 posts)There are some real wackaloons out there.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)liberal N proud
(60,352 posts)Of the new world Florida Man was going give them.
it is willfully making an improper claim to a title or an official position or appointment. It is false swearing in furtherance of a conspiracy. That conspiracy resulted in deaths and those persons who were a part of the conspiracy should be charged with responsibility for those deaths under all applicable statutes. If there is no federal statute that is applicable then possibly a state or DC prosecution for those deaths might be possible.
It is long past time to sugar-coat the death and misery caused by the previous President and those who conspired with him. They were advised that their purposeful inaction would cause hundreds of thousands to die from Covid 19 and many millions to suffer severe illness and lasting long term effects. They were advised by the duly appointed highest legal authority in the country that there was no election fraud for which to take action to overturn an election. They focused their insurrection mob on a falsehood despite knowing it was false and then they assembled that mob on a specific date, gave them the specific location to attack, gave them the specific time to attack, ordered them to march, ordered them to fight and allowed the attack to continue for hours despite having the ability to end the attack.
Both instances caused preventable deaths and injuries and the commission of those acts are not just a matter of malfeasance in office but rather the most heinous of crimes and callous disregard for the Constitution they swore to uphold, the very life of their fellow citizens and was all done for the personal political gain of the ringleader of that conspiracy.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)Lot simpler than prosecuting an ex President and ex Cabinet
unless the Indictment Drop Date will deliver all the ordinance in one salvo?
BumRushDaShow
(130,042 posts)was that the states receive a "brochure" (it's online too) for how they handle the Certificates of Acertainments and Certificates of Votes (the Elector votes) and it explicitly indicates how many copies of things need to be sent wherever and THAT not only includes NARA, but the "President of the Senate" (the U.S. VP), and even their local Federal District Court's office.
I.e., - https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/state-officials/so-instructions
Electoral College
Home > Electoral College > For State Officials > SO Instructions
Instructions and Guidance for State Officials and Points of Contact
(snip)
Distribute Paired Certificates of Ascertainment and Vote
Distribute the SIX (6) pairs of Certificates to the designated Federal and State officials as follows:
Send ONE (1) pair to the President of the Senate,
The Honorable Michael R. Pence.Send TWO (2) pairs to the Archivist of the United States,
David S. Ferriero, c/o Office of the Federal Register (F).Send TWO (2) pairs to the Secretary of State in your State. Send ONE (1) pair to the Chief Judge of the Federal District Court located where your States electors met.
(snip)
And IIRC, I think at least one state sent exactly as above (including to their local Federal District Court)!
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)What kind of evil mind would even dream of that in American democracy?
This is all a dream, right?
peppertree
(21,720 posts)A real paragon of democracy and clean politics, that one.
William Seger
(10,793 posts)... unless you consider it in the context of the whole plot: Specifically, it was supposed to just give Pence an excuse, no matter how lame, for not certifying the votes, throwing it either to the Supreme Court or to a one-vote-per-state Congressional decision.
Sneederbunk
(14,319 posts)Show no mercy.
rubbersole
(6,760 posts)..the insurrectionists had a film crew documenting their every move. Decent Americans thank them for the free evidence.
Wounded Bear
(58,792 posts)they posted the proof of their crimes on the Internet.
rubbersole
(6,760 posts)Hey Skeeter, Lauraleen is your cousin...
Mr.Bill
(24,370 posts)they were going to win. That's true of most stupid criminals.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)that's my trigger
republianmushroom
(13,894 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,817 posts)3Hotdogs
(12,467 posts)Fraud.
dchill
(38,626 posts)honest.abe
(8,689 posts)Remarkable they thought they could actually consider trying it and pull it off.
Ford_Prefect
(7,928 posts)Hence they were under A LOT of Pressure to do it as much as they were led like lambs...And were fully MAGA indoctrinated.
Fools though they were, they were lied to all the way by people who KNEW it was all lies.