Trump and his fellow traitors have a problem that is not being talked about too much.

[fightforfreedom]

When you commit a crime, crimes, it is best you do not get caught with a lot of other people. The less people involved with you in the crime the better. Less people to turn on you and confess.

If you count the fake electors, trumps lawyers, Trumps inner circle in the Whitehouse house, Trumps inner circle outside the White house we are looking at over a hundred people who were part of the attempted coup. That's a lot of targets for prosecutors. The DOJ has a bullseye on all of them. A lot of targets to get to turn, to spill their guts in order to save their asses.

All these traitors just witnessed the J6 committee put forward 4 serious criminal referrals that come with long prison sentences. They all now know what possible charges they could be facing. They are now shitting their pants.

Out of over a hundred traitors, the chances of the DOJ getting some of these traitors to talk, to turn, is extremely high. A lot of people are going to be indicted and some of them are going to turn, make deals. The investigations are going to snowball, I have been saying it from the beginning.

Fuck Trump, Fuck all the traitors. Justice is coming.

[Walleye]

1. Mark Meadows is taking remedial singing lessons right now, in my opinion

[Dan]

4. +1

Meadows has always been my man - to lead the Opera.

[housecat]

6. lol

[Evolve Dammit]

11. that's the rumor. "cooperating"? Time will tell. Let them eat each other alive.

[lefthandedskyhook]

15. That's hilarious

Best phrase today!

[gratuitous]

2. As the man said in "Body Heat"

In any crime, there's about 50 ways to fuck up. If you can think of 25 of 'em, you're a genius. And you ain't no genius.

[MLAA]

5. Exactly

[mopinko]

3. occum's razor meets conspiracy theory.

tho if you manage to pull it off w no one getting caught, you may be fine.
but if more than a couple people get caught, you’re fucked.

[ms liberty]

7. Three can keep a secret if two of them are dead. - Benjamin Franklin. n/t

[ancianita]

8. This is who the Jan 6 referral means when they say "and others" under each law.

count the fake electors, trumps lawyers, Trumps inner circle in the Whitehouse house, Trumps inner circle outside the White house we are looking at over a hundred people who were part of the attempted coup. That's a lot of targets for prosecutors. The DOJ has a bullseye on all of them. A lot of targets to get to turn, to spill their guts in order to save their asses.

They are all subject to "aiding," "abetting," "comfort" "influence," "obstruct" or "impede" charges for Trump. They will help the DOJ exceed the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard in convicting Trump "and others."

[Pobeka]

17. +1 nt

[wnylib]

9. It was a real conspiracy. People who

put down conspiracy theories always point out that a conspiracy can't be pulled off without someone involved in it being caught or or leaking it, even if inadvertently. And once that happens, things snowball in the legal system.

Nixon found that out.

The J6 conspiracy was real, involving too many people to keep the deliberate, advance planning of it a secret. The chief conspirator was foolish enough to think that he could play his part out in the open and if it failed, claim that it was just a demonstration that got out of hand. But too many close up observers came forward as witnesses for that excuse to be accepted.

[Stuart G]

39. The chief conspirator was ..."..foolish enough to think he could get away with it.." That is all

she wrote... It will take time, but the name "Trump" will be ..'SH*T" forever and forever.

Yes, one of the key aspects (in my opinion only) is that Trump was sure he could get away with it. He knew what
was going to happen, that is why he sat in front of a television watching the "Insurrection" and sure it would go
as he planned. It explains exactly why he was unwilling to say, "Go Home" to the "Insurrectionists"

because..........he was sure he was going to win this battle.. That explains it all. Why did he wait so long, and
sit in front of the TV not listening to anyone that urged him to make a statement.

Because he was sure he was going to ....WIN!....It ain't complicated...Is it?

[appmanga]

10. I know it's nearly Christmas...

...but there's no way an announcement like today's drops and there's been nothing but radio silence from Republicans. Either they're planning some coordinated, concerted response, or it's finally hit them that things just got more real than real.

[FakeNoose]

12. IMHO they're waiting for Chump to toss the first salvo

That's their standard modus operandi. Let him lead the charge.
Let's face it, most of them are chickenshits anyway.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

22. RepubliQons in disarry. Huge disagreements as to Support tRump Always or Leave to his Fate. . . . nt

[dchill]

13. Like Fox Mulder, I Want To Believe.

[calimary]

14. I bet somebody's gonna flip to get out of the path of the "hurricane."

But from what I’ve read, that only works for the first offender to offer to make a deal. Later me-too’s aren’t so likely to get such a break. As I understand all this, it’s gotta be early in the game.

[Walleye]

16. I've seen enough Law and Order programs to know that

They tell the perps name of the game is, let’s make a deal. The one who goes first gets the prize

[Tommymac]

20. And guess who will get the Ultimate Booby Prize here?

I'll give you 3 tries, first 2 don't count.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

21. Irredeemable cynicism is so boring. . . . nt

[AKwannabe]

23. Hahahahahahaha!

You can poke me all you want… it’s boorish tho.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

24. I poke because discussing with irredeemable cynics is useless. No facts or points change their minds

There is nothing anybody can say that will change your mind. You will go to your deathbed believing THERE IS NO JUSTICE.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

26. I know what you posted, how you worded it, how you laid it out. That's enough to know this point. nt

[ProfessorGAC]

28. Got Your Back, BLP

I agree that such cynicism is tiresome.
It's an unprecedented situation. Comparing it anything else is silly.

[ShazzieB]

36. I'm piggybacking on this comment

Because I agree with every word, and I couldn't say it any better.

I agree that such cynicism is tiresome. ✔

It's an unprecedented situation. ✔

Comparing it anything else is silly. ✔

Yep, all bases covered here!

[Emrys]

35. It's OK. Most of us know boorish when we see it.

It didn't come from you.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

19. Smith/DoJ unlikely to charge them piece-meal, one at a time. I expect tiers of charges.

I think there will be charges for the lower tier of the conspiracy all in one go, and then when that has settled out a bit with some plea bargains, charges for the upper tier including tRump in one go. That would also be any Congress critters and perhaps Meadows. I think Stone would be secretly disappointed if he is charged in the lower tier.

I think that is part of the reason upper level indictments haven't happened yet. Not only did DoJ want to let Congress do its investigation in parallel, but DoJ is not going to try a big conspiracy piece-meal.

But what the heck do I know? Maybe they will charge them one by one, banking on trials being far enough in the future that any stool pigeons would break in time. On the other hand, it would not surprise me to see the whole lot charged in one fell swoop.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

27. Personally, would like to see the driver/SSS people flip

I'd Love for them to say "no he didn't really want to go to the Capitol, are you kidding? So he made up the choking story so he looked macho instead of looking pussy"

[certainot]

29. for all those trials prosecution should be excluding talk radio listeners from jury duty cause

they're doing a lot of jury pollution from them

[flying_wahini]

30. I'm sure hate radio is burning up the airways. They don't believe that TFG is guilty, anyway.

Which is why it will be even sweeter when these “electors” get their comeuppance.

[lame54]

31. Trump commits crimes openly because...

In a lifetime he has NEVER been held to account

[Random Boomer]

34. He's in his 70s and ill, so he's basically won already

He's wreaked havoc everywhere and will most likely die of a heart attack or a stroke before serving one day behind bars.

[Martin68]

44. Trump hasn't won a thing. He is watching, helplessly while his "empire" crumbles around him, old

friends desert him, and he faces not only the destruction of his family and businesses, but serious prison time. Try to remember that we are dealing with a hard core, pathological narcissistic, who becomes a hollow shell when no one believes him anymore, and everyone starts to ignore him. The Post writes that he can't summon a press pool, has no access to Airforce One (or even his own plane because it's in the shop), and is subject to rages because he can't do what he wants and is blocked at every turn. I'm going to enjoy watching Trump as the full realization of what he has done too himself begins to dawn in that feeble pea-sized organ some people call a brain.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

38. Wrong. Racist housing, multiple bankruptcies, fraudulent charity blocked, company convicted of tax

He had to agree to a consent decree on racist housing, broke it & had to undergo another.

His company has been convicted of something like 17 tax crimes.

He bankrupted multiple casinos.

His fraudulent charity was broken up.

His real estate "university" had to pay damages for fraudulent promises.

[lame54]

55. He profited on each one of those and moved on...

The fines were a fraction of the take

Bankrupting casinos was by design - strip them for parts

[TeamProg]

32. Enough evidence isn't the problem! The problem for the DOJ is backbone and resolve. n/t

[Martin68]

40. It involves neither lack of backbone nor resolve. The DOJ just has very effective procedures they

employ and that take time. I for one am glad they have prosecuted so many of the traitors that participated directly in the violence of the attempted coup. For one thing, that is a warning to moron wannabes who will think twice about getting involved in a similar event in the future. Trump couldn't have accomplished a coup without violent foot soldiers. Meanwhile, those foot soldiers are all testifying that Trump ordered them to physically attack the Capitol and block the electoral process. The DOJ has collected countless hours of video, phone, email, and text messages that tie the actions of foot soldiers to orders from the conspirators at the top. That's solid evidence! When Barr was in charge, we couldn't depend on the DOJ to defend the country our the Constitution. Garland is doing both. "The wheels of Justice grind slow but exceedingly fine." I know it's hard for some the understand that building an airtight case involved time and patience.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

42. Garland and Smith have stellar track records as prosecutors. They know what they are doing,

... much more so than the impatient posters who think charging is more important than convictions and sentences.

[former9thward]

45. Where are you getting this information?

"those foot soldiers are all testifying that Trump ordered them to physically attack the Capitol and block the electoral process. The DOJ has collected countless hours of video, phone, email, and text messages that tie the actions of foot soldiers to orders from the conspirators at the top. That's solid evidence!"

There has been no testimony like that in the trials. Your are creating it.

Th vast majority of "foot soldiers" were charged with misdemeanors and have received probation or a very light jail sentence of a few days or weeks.

[Martin68]

46. Dude, I read the Post and the NYT. They both are reporting on this in detail. You've got to get your

news from a more reliable, in-depth source than TV news and the internet.

[former9thward]

47. Dude, link to any of the information you posted.

Dude....

[Bernardo de La Paz]

51. "ordered" is too strong a word, but J6 criminals have invoked tRump as encouraging them at least

And the hyperbole is strong in the one you are replying to. Certainly "all testifying" is way over the top in hyperbole.

Stone was hooked up with Proud Boys and with the Oath Kreepers.

[former9thward]

54. Yes, and many criminals will say were inspired by God or something.

But unless there is a direct order from "something" then something will not be indicted.

[TeamProg]

48. Sounds like you agree with me: evidence-check. Procedure-that's a GIVEN!

All the DOJ is going to need is the POLITICAL WILL-aside from the low hanging fruit, no one is seeing a lot of indictments yet.

I have, though, read numerous political takes on the matter from EXPERTS who all suggest what I just said initially. And I’m no expert.

We’ll all just have to wait and see.

[former9thward]

33. The Jan 6th committee put forward a criminal referral on just one person besides Trump.

One. Just one. Out of all the people they interviewed and received information about. One....

[Bernardo de La Paz]

41. Four others.

McCarthy plus three unnamed individuals, probably Congress critters.

[former9thward]

43. No they didn't.

They made ethics complaints against them to the House Ethics committee. Those complaints are not criminal. And the Ethics committee is a dead end committee where complaints go to die.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

50. Ah, that must be it. I know you are right about McCarthy, now that you have reminded me. Thx. nt

[Martin68]

37. The DOJ worked from the foot soldiers up, the Jan 6th Committee from the closest aides up to the

head honcho.

[Joinfortmill]

49. Yes, referrals for indictments, release of tax returns...

We've only just begun.

[Thunderbeast]

52. Spent two minutes with FOX News yesterday.

Swarms of brown drug mules crossing the border!!!

Biden an Dem congress doing nothing about it!!!

THAT was the lead story.

[AverageOldGuy]

53. "Justice is coming."

Look at a statue of Justice.

"Lady Justice" is female, draped in a robe, blindfolded, in one hand she holds a scale, in the other hand she holds a sword.

The blindfold tells us that Justice is blind to influences; the scale denotes that Justice weighs the evidence; and the sword . . . .