The door is just open a crack

[lefthandedskyhook]

Congressional co-conspirators are not properly named today. Jim Jordan, MTG, Hawley...etc etc MUST BE DENIED OFFICE under the 14th amendment. ENFORCE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Delphinus]

1. Absolutely

Especially Jordan who is set to be on the Judiciary as chair.

[SoCalDavidS]

2. Don't Count On It nt

[lefthandedskyhook]

4. After today

Maybe someone with a law degree can explain. Why are ALL the traitors to our nation not named by this committee?

[SoCalDavidS]

7. Because It's A Club, And They're Not Subject To Laws

People on DU expect consequences, but sadly, there will be none.

[lefthandedskyhook]

11. Sadly:

You are correct. After today they will carry on as usual

[ancianita]

14. Because they know it's up to the DOJ to determine all the "and others" who aided & abetted.

Do not make naming "ALL the traitors" the fault of the committee.

When you read their report the names will be there.

But for today's meeting, they rightly did NOT want to be interpreted as partisan. You can't even imply that it means they're not serious. They are. Their not naming names doesn't mean they're not aware, or that the DOJ is not aware of the legal liability of "and others," as stated at least three times out of the four referrals that Raskin revealed.

[lefthandedskyhook]

15. True

Patience is difficult when real results are so rare

[ancianita]

20. Okay

But "real results" are not "so rare." Because they have never existed.

This is the first in US history. There is not one legal precedent of "results" for you to kvetch about, okay?
Try to get that through your head.

Let's put the adult game face on, show adult patience and real perception enough and see the reality exactly what rule of law is dealing with -- which it has never dealt with before -- and try to accept that the other adults in charge do, in fact, know what to do. Without complete information. Because that all belongs in the DC Court.

Then impatience and distrust should dissipate.

[JT45242]

22. Because Liz Cheney did her job...protect the party

Liz allowed the people closest to TFG who were not long term republicans with power to be named...has beens like Rudy, never weres like Jeff Clark, Eastman, etc.

But she protected Hawley, Cruz. McCarthy, McConnell, etc because a Cheney is going to be a Cheney and put party over country.

She was willing to sacrifice a few to save the party for her run for president in 2024.

[lefthandedskyhook]

23. Yep

JUSTICE denied again

[chicoescuela]

32. Agree 100% with this assessment

[Blue Owl]

3. Slam the door on Gym's foot

That fucker looks like the type who'd have a nasty case of toenail fungus

[lefthandedskyhook]

6. heh

It will take more than insults to bring him down... The J6 committee was a very good opportunity to expose his misdeeds. Their scope was far too narrow as usual

[ancianita]

16. Wait until you read the Final Report. Jordan's calls to Trump on Jan 2 are there.

Just stop it already. Until you read the Jan 6 Final Report, this shade casting on the Jan 6 Committee is unfair, uninformed and silly.

[lefthandedskyhook]

17. You are more informed than me

Time will tell

[ancianita]

24. Why should I be? We're both exposed to the same information since this all began.

Yes, time will tell. This is a lot to take in. We must not entertain thoughts of failure.

To keep in mind that it's always darkest before the dawn isn't just a platitude, but in this situation, a fact.

We will prevail. Justice will prevail.

[lefthandedskyhook]

26. Hope wanes

A sociologist friend recently promoted "optimistic pessimism". This way we can avoid disappointment. I'd prefer to punch the problem in its face... just saying

[ancianita]

28. True.

True about personal things, yes. I'd just like to share that I've always said that I'd rather be a wrong pessimist than a wrong optimist.

Of course I've entertained doubts in private, but in the public arena, at this time, we need to and project more heart. It's not time to worry yet.

[lefthandedskyhook]

29. Salutations to you

Its hard to be pessimistic even in these times

[BOSSHOG]

19. I second that thought My Friend

And not to make lite of the issue but occasionally a dab of humor may be in order.

We all have to be like great big hospitals and have lots of “patients.” That joke is so bad it’s good. And y’all know it. Most of you will tell that joke tomorrow. Am I right or what?

Let there be no doubt I want every bad guy in trumps January 6th treasonous gaggle to meet Justice accordingly.

[ancianita]

27. I hear you.

My friend, if these nine people have been working to exhaustion for eighteen months -- even as we speak -- and as we later enjoy our holidays -- is humor really in order when it casts doubt on them?

No. It is not in order. Rather than indulge in silly complaint or shade casting about not getting what.ever. from them, we as Democrats have a duty to step up and support them.

How are we to project trust, patience and strength in saving democracy or with others if we don't with each other? I'm with the OP, but say that the door has opened a LOT.

[orangecrush]

37. +1

[wnylib]

18. There was a written preliminary report.

I watched the hearing on PBS. Their correspondent in DC had read that report prior to the hearing but did not discuss it until afterward. .

She revealed that Jim Jordan is specifically named in the written preliminary report as one of the House members who will be sanctioned by the House.

She also named the 4 people being referred to DOJ along with the ex president. I remember 3 of the names. They were Mark Meadows, Rudy Giuliani, and Eastman. The 4th, whose name I don't remember, is an attorney.

In addition, she said that the report mentioned another charge that was not mentioned in the hearing. It was seditious conspiracy. She did not know why it was not brought up in the hearing. Maybe the members changed their minds about it after the preliminary report was written.

Personally, I want to see all members of Congress who participated charged for their part. But that's not likely to happen. They do have a legal right to challenge the electoral slates that are presented for the official tally. Normally, a challenge comes from members of the state being challenged. But on J6, 2021 House members, with the required backing of at least one Senator, challenged states that they do not represent or live in. That is suspicious of conspiracy but in and of itself, is not illegal. To prove a conspiracy to overthrow the election via this challenge process would require concrete evidence (a tape, witness, text messages) of plans (conspiracy) for the specific purpose of overthrowing legitimate electors. There probably is no tape or witness willing to testify.

Anyone in Congress who participated in the fake elector scheme should be prosecuted, IMO. Ditto for anyone who knew about the fake elector plan and remained silent, even if they did not directly participate. But I don't expect that this will happen.

[lefthandedskyhook]

21. Well met

I'm also in WNY. My next door neighbor has repeatedly threatened me and my family with gun violence. We do not feel safe here. These criminal legislators must be prosecuted. It is very difficult to wait

[wnylib]

25. There are many deep red people in WNY,

including some hard core members of violent militias. Be careful.

[lefthandedskyhook]

31. Understood

It is scary. They have meetings.....

[lefthandedskyhook]

33. The local police seem to be with them

nt

[wnylib]

38. Police? I was not aware of that happening in WNY.

I know that in the Buffalo area, some of the politicians have been associated with those groups. I don't remember which ones now besides Carl Palladino, but I did hear about it on Buffalo radio several months ago.

[malaise]

10. 😀😀

[republianmushroom]

5. agree, enforce the 14th amendment

[SheltieLover]

8. Ongoing investigation?

Guessing SC Smith has great interest in the ruskie assets in congress.

[lefthandedskyhook]

9. Mr Smith is my new hero

Matrix style...

[housecat]

12. They weren't named today, but SC Smith knows, and he's not for sale.

[efhmc]

13. By whom , exactly?

[lefthandedskyhook]

30. By our legl system

Lady Justice is ailing but not broken. STAY TUNED!

[slightlv]

34. I had thought they were going to name the names today... all the names,

including the congressional names. I missed the first hour of the hearing. Thought perhaps I missed it then, but no... they just didn't go that far, drat it. Until we get the traitors out of Congress, I can't help but feel we're still playing with fire with our democracy. And neither my stomach nor my nerves are going to settle down anytime soon.

[lefthandedskyhook]

35. Perhaps they will remain named criminals

just not brought to account like so many others in the past

[crickets]

36. They should no longer be in office for complicity in the plot.

If that's not been investigated or addressed at all, it's huge mistake. There is an OATH to protect the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. In this instance, to ignore those members of Congress who have acted as enemies is to abrogate that oath.

[ShazzieB]

39. What we've heard about so far is only the "executive summary."

The full report (which comes out Wednesday, I think?) will have a LOT more details. Including, I am sure, many names.

Until then, we won't know for sure what it does or doesn't contain. Panic about what may be left out is highly premature.